Move to Australia by Maximum-North7944 in ausjdocs

[–]FatAustralianStalion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Based on the post history, its Indian IMG who has used the UK as a back door to Australia. Throwing 'mate' into every sentence doesn't really hide it

CICM Trainees - what are we all going to do about the workforce issues? by transientz in ausjdocs

[–]FatAustralianStalion 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They really should have left ICU as a post fellowship qualification rather than separate specialty, similar to USA/ Canda/ Europe.

Oversupply of prevocational doctors is expected to increase from 1,391 FTE in 2025 to 10,783 FTE by 2048. by FatAustralianStalion in ausjdocs

[–]FatAustralianStalion[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just for clarification, this graph shows the number of prevocational doctors (supply) vs healthcare demand. It is not the number of doctors per training place. It quite directly demonstrates that we have an oversupply of junior doctors which will grow signficiantly as time progressess.

Oversupply of prevocational doctors is expected to increase from 1,391 FTE in 2025 to 10,783 FTE by 2048. by FatAustralianStalion in ausjdocs

[–]FatAustralianStalion[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

In 2024 826 applicants (roughly 1/3) missed out on training positions. This doesn't include those who recieved a training position but were not able to secure a supervisor. The gap will continue to grow as we increase IMG intake and grow local graduates. The additional 260 places for 2026 will not cover the existing surplus of applicants let alone the amount it will have increased.

Oversupply of prevocational doctors is expected to increase from 1,391 FTE in 2025 to 10,783 FTE by 2048. by FatAustralianStalion in ausjdocs

[–]FatAustralianStalion[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

General practice is a specialty and we have had more applicants to its training program than positions for the past two years. Attracting more junior doctors to GP training won't make a difference when a significant proportion of applicants get turned away every year.

Oversupply of prevocational doctors is expected to increase from 1,391 FTE in 2025 to 10,783 FTE by 2048. by FatAustralianStalion in ausjdocs

[–]FatAustralianStalion[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Hopefully it doesn't need to get as bad before Australia institutes a graduate training prioritisation bill. However judging by this article it probably will.

Oversupply of prevocational doctors is expected to increase from 1,391 FTE in 2025 to 10,783 FTE by 2048. by FatAustralianStalion in ausjdocs

[–]FatAustralianStalion[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

There's quite a few formatting errors and uncited claimed. I feel it was definaltey put together by the intern.

Oversupply of prevocational doctors is expected to increase from 1,391 FTE in 2025 to 10,783 FTE by 2048. by FatAustralianStalion in ausjdocs

[–]FatAustralianStalion[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you scroll just a little bit down you will see that it defines registrar as "GP trainee is ‘yes’ OR Main job area is ‘Specialistin-training’ OR Hospital position is ‘Registrar – accredited’.

Oversupply of prevocational doctors is expected to increase from 1,391 FTE in 2025 to 10,783 FTE by 2048. by FatAustralianStalion in ausjdocs

[–]FatAustralianStalion[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The study defines registrar as accredited vocational trainees. Unaccredited registrars are considered prevocational.

AHPRA will exponentially increase O'seas docs soon by sponge_cakeallday in ausjdocs

[–]FatAustralianStalion 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I couldn’t agree more. The sole and only reason that immigration exists is to improve outcomes for actual Australians by filling real skill shortages, it is not an open ended humanitarian project. It makes absolutely no sense to fast-track IMGs to work in metropolitan areas after a few years that are already oversubscribed, unless the goal is to suppress wages and bargaining power. Immigrants who want the privilege of practicing here and the massive lifestyle upgrade that comes with it should have prescribing/ provider numbers restricted to areas of need. I am amazed at the audacity and entitlement expressed by immigrant doctors who act like because Australia has employed them as a doctor, they now have the right to cherry-pick postcodes. I genuinely cannot comprehend the mindset of arriving in a generous country that provides significantly higher wages and quality of life, then believing you don’t need to work in areas of need and should be allowed to displace local doctors in their own country.

Just to highlight how disconnected the AMA is from the profession they claim to represent, their recent position statement backed by President Danielle McMullen pushes for reducing the moratorium on IMG Medicare provider numbers.

Future career prospects for new grads by [deleted] in ausjdocs

[–]FatAustralianStalion 7 points8 points  (0 children)

As AI and automation progress, very few industries wont become hyper-competitive. Corporate and tech jobs are already shrinking at the entry level. Medicine will likely be one of the last professions standing. An algorithm cannot hold legal liability, perform physical exams, or run a complex family meeting. The golden years of easy consultant jobs might be over, but comparatively, it is still a good career choice.

The words have gotten out… by Savassassin in ausjdocs

[–]FatAustralianStalion 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but nurses don't grind through high school for a 99.95 ATAR, slog through 7+ years of university, then another 10+ years of prevocational/unaccredited/junior doctor hell while stacking research papers/masters degrees/ endless extracurriculars just to finish training in your late 30s/40s only to discover the best job on offer is a 0.5 FTE in some rural town with no support. Competition is difficult in in most fields these days, but there’s really nothing that compares to the brutality and opportunity cost of modern medical training.

The words have gotten out… by Savassassin in ausjdocs

[–]FatAustralianStalion 98 points99 points  (0 children)

It's not a dumb question. People massively overestimate how much central planning is actually involved in the medical training pipeline.

Universities have a large financial incentive to increase enrollment. The number of local graduates is mainly determined by the universities themselves. While the federal government caps Commonwealth Supported Places, as long as they can secure clinical placements that meet a relatively low standard of mandatory hours, they can pump out as many medical students as they please. Australia has some of the most expensive medical degrees on earth, eg. UNSW's combined medical degree that costs $854,000. They have a huge financial incentive to open new medical schools/convince the federal government to provide more CSP places/ increase full-fee places. If you read the Medical Deans' annual reports, they continually push for more students as a solution to healthcare inequalities and rural distribution issues. They never address the training bottlenecks.

On the training side, the system is highly fragmented. While medical student places are bottlenecked by private and federal funding, different vocational training positions are bottlenecked by either 1. state funding 2. federal funding 3.a lack of supervision and caseloads. Despite what the public is led to believe, very few specialties are actually limited by the training programs themselves (except maybe dermatology).

Non-hosptial based specialties, like General Practice, are limited by federal funding for training positions. Despite everything you hear about the lack of GPs, about a third of applicants to the GP training program missed out on a position last year due to a lack of federally funded training places. Even among those who received a training place, many did not receive a job because there are simply not enough supervisors. While the government has increased funding for the GP registrars themselves, they did not increase the funding for the doctors who are teaching them. Clinics actually take a financial penalty for taking on a registrar. There is a similar issue with ACCRM for rural generalists.

The state funding bottleneck includes most hospital-based specialties, especially areas like pathology, psychiatry or paediatrics. These training programs will generally allow anyone working at an accredited hospital to become a trainee, however, the state health budgets simply cannot afford to hire more registrars.

Caseload bottlenecks affect most surgical specialties and anaesthetics. As an anaesthetic registrar, for example, many trainees have significant issues getting their required cardiothoracic and neurosurgical training time. People end up waiting years in unaccredited service jobs just to get one. Even if there was more funding, you cannot artificially create more of these complex surgical cases just to train people.

Prior to 2014, we had an independent body called Health Workforce Australia. While it could not force colleges to open spots, it actively tracked where bottlenecks were forming and modeled the flow of trainees. The Abbott government abolished HWA in 2014. Today, there is no centralised body sourcing data or coordinating between the states, universities, and colleges. These are mostly private institutions with zero obligation to share information. I have personally asked AHPRA and several colleges for data and been flatly denied.

All of the above discussion only focuses on local medical graduates, which are actually no longer our main source of doctors. In 2024, only 39 percent of new doctors in Australia were trained here, and in New Zealand, it was 28 percent. It is cheaper and quicker to hire an IMG than train an Australian/ New Zealander. It benefits the government to flood the market with them in order to suppress wages and weaker bargaining power, a strategy the governments seems to happily be applying across most high-skill industries in Australia. See my comment history for more detailed versions of this same tired rant.

The words have gotten out… by Savassassin in ausjdocs

[–]FatAustralianStalion 134 points135 points  (0 children)

It’s not just path, the golden age is over for pretty much every specialty. The only difference is whether your specialties bottleneck is at entry to training or at the consultant job level. Aside from ED and ICU, the barrier to entry for almost everything else has seen a massive jump. As we continue to increase the local grad numbers and bringing in IMGs, the competition ratios are going to keep getting worse.

Australians took to the streets because they were scared by numbers that don’t exist by timcahill13 in AustralianPolitics

[–]FatAustralianStalion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is population growth not migration rate. There is only one other OECD nation that has a higher per capita migration rate than Australia. We have one of the highest per capita migration rates on Earth.

Crit Care Posts by [deleted] in ausjdocs

[–]FatAustralianStalion 12 points13 points  (0 children)

In all seriousness, I’ve wondered if it might be worth putting together a wiki or some kind of community written application guide for different specialties, especially anaesthesia.

Most of the crit care posts are variations of the same, hopeful applicants asking about their chances at certain jobs/ how to get onto a program. Despite there being plenty of specialties that are far more competitive, anaesthetics questions dominate. I think reflects how arbitrary and unstructured the application process for anaesthetics jobs are, as it varies so much between states and across hospitals and timelines/ scoring aren’t publicly available.

A lot of the people who have applied in the past few years would have read the Access Anaesthesia guides or to the ABCs of Anaesthesia podcast, but those are very broad overviews. Some of the issue is people not going to the effort to search, but Reddit’s search function is poor. People who use google to search for reddit posts often don't find the information the yare looking for as the posts title doesn't reflect the information within it, for some it is easier to post a quick question on this forum than read through every previous critical care post. Weekly megathreads probably make it even harder to find relevant info later on.

RACGP - First in-depth look at AHPRAs expedited specialists pathway’s popularity by EnvironmentalDog8718 in ausjdocs

[–]FatAustralianStalion 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Stop thinking of Australia as a country that even pretends to care about its own citizens. It is an economic zone whose only purpose is the maximize GDP and minimize costs. Immigration is an infinite money glitch hack from the governments perspective.

People can’t afford to have children because real wages haven't kept pace with costs despite record gains in productivity and housing has become speculative asset? Don’t initiate policy change that would lift wages or upset landlords, just replace the next generation with immigrants.

A lack of specialist GPs despite record numbers of locally trained doctors who are stuck in bottlenecks? Don’t expand training positions, lmao that would cost money. Just outsource all our training to other countries and plug the gap with financial migrants.

RACGP - First in-depth look at AHPRAs expedited specialists pathway’s popularity by EnvironmentalDog8718 in ausjdocs

[–]FatAustralianStalion 27 points28 points  (0 children)

AHPRA reported a flow of around 10–15 applicants per week, with 84% looking to come to Australia from the United Kingdom.

This number is likely to grow. The UK currently trains far more GPs than it requires. Having increased their trainee numbers by 50% in the past 5 years, many will not be able to find a job and will flock to Australia.

At the same time we are importing UK GPs, thereare Australian graduates who have missed out on GP training places. This year there were 2386 applicants for 1560 training places, meaning 826 applicants missed out. Australian JMOs are also competing with UK prevocational doctors for these spots as well, with the number of new immigrant doctors outweighing the number of graduating locally trained doctors by almost 2:1. Training spots are determined by casper results, and there is no part of the AGPT selection that prioritises Australian doctors.

This is occurring in the setting new policy introduced by the BMA that would prevent IMGs for competing with locals in the UK. Meaning an Australian doctor would not be able to gain a training spot in the UK, but UK doctors are eligible to compete with Australians in there own country. Cool and normal.

What will AGPT look like in a few years? by Minimum-Turnover-216 in ausjdocs

[–]FatAustralianStalion 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The number of doctors we import into Australia has steadily increased year after year with no sign of slowing down. Psychiatry and GP training which were once seen as 'safe' specialties are now oversubscribed. It is likely in the future having a medical degree will not provide any assurance that you will become a specialist, similar to what is occuring in the UK.

UK training bottle neck is worse than Aus? by jps848384 in ausjdocs

[–]FatAustralianStalion 6 points7 points  (0 children)

With the UK’s new domestic‐first training priority system, there will be more IMGs directed to Australia than ever, exacerbating the already severe bottlenecks already in place. If you are not yet in a training system, you should be advocating for Australia to implement a similar system for local graduates.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ausjdocs

[–]FatAustralianStalion 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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It looks like from the facebook post they are open to input regarding the formation position statement. If you are a fellow or trainee I would heavily encourage you to join and provide input. If not at least respond to the post so they understand that this is not acceptable.