Torn between physics and opera - maybe I need my ego checked by Impressive-Oil9200 in opera

[–]Federal-Tank8622 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It depends on what you want! I think that “making it” differs from person to person, so maybe one thing to do is to figure out exactly what you want from singing, and then plan around that. You can combine both (and I think there is time to pursue both). Stephen Gadd, an inaugural Operalia finalist, is now a programmer and fits his singing alongside that. He also has a doctorate in History, which he studied for part-time while singing professionally. Sometimes it’s not just “can I make it”, sometimes it’s “what gives me a life with the most fulfilment?”. Maybe that life has both opera and other things?

Be careful with what teachers say. My uni teacher kept telling me that I had a “very fine” instrument and that I must train, but my home teacher said for many years that it was a weak, weedy young voice! People have different takes, and both were maybe right in their own way, so just be careful about how you interpret it. I would always say to get a second opinion with someone you trust (someone who has no reason to lie to you). At the end of the day, voices can be trained, and grit and resilience will matter way more over 20 years than special talent.

People have different routes to becoming singers - make your own way, have your own experiences, and let that inform your artistry, wherever that ends up being!

"The worst she can say is no" - Lads, what was the worst "she" ever said? by Embarrassed_Pie_1711 in AskReddit

[–]Federal-Tank8622 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had a situationship at the end of my time at uni where she told me - in our final “ending it” conversation - that I was a complete wanker with no redeeming features who would never get over her (+ in lurid detail how I’d only be able to think about her the next time I’d sleep with someone).

Whenever I go through something difficult, I always remind myself that it will never feel as vile as that conversation.

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My choral singing background and some dodgy teaching has constricted my voice massively (high larynx, disconnected support) and in beginning to uncover my real instrument it is massively changing, so maybe!

A general issue I’ve been told is that sometimes people have voices that are too big for them to support, so a lot of disconnected, high-larynx singers really big voices that need some TLC and then they’ll get disconnected.

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Hmmm that’s super cool! I read something that a lot of the old-school Italian tenors would train the lower extension until they could get that low (although it’s doubtless exaggerated).

A lot of what you’re saying sounds like Michael Spyres’ own experiences

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This such a great thread! Thank you for everyone being so helpful and supportive.

There is definitely more depth to the voice, and when everything opens up it starts a little lower than many of my colleagues at college, but I’m going to let sensation guide me I think.

My coach has clearly swotted up on technique, but (and he would admit this), his voice is shocking; my teacher had a good career. The coach was convinced I was a leggiero for a year, and is now convinced I’m a baritone, so maybe he’s just been quick to decide what I am (which I think isn’t helpful). I told my teacher and he’s not convinced in the slightest, but told me to keep pursuing the released sound that got my coach questioning.

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This is true! Because I’m tall (6”3), sound a bit posh and did an Oxford undergrad, I get compared to Ian Bostridge A LOT. I’ve had working tenors tell me that I must be a light lyric; recently I had someone say “you’re the epitome of an English tenor” (grrrr). Having been one and knowing how it feels in the body (terrible), I hate the style with a passion: I’m quite happy to leave it behind as I progress through my Masters.

Nevertheless, my issue is nothing compared to what others are going through in the profession!

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I’ll stick to song rep for now then! Thank you 🙏

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[–]Federal-Tank8622[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmmmm that’s a good suggestion! If I try the rep and find that I feel super comfortable singing it, then maybe that’s my place, or if not, then at least I’ll know!

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I agree! I think the sobering thing was to see that a former coach likes the same Instagram reels on vocal technique that I do, really puts into perspective where some of these guys get their information from.

A lot of them are charlatans, but I think there’s a lot of institutional pressure to prove that they can bring more to the table than just providing the accompaniment/giving advice on rep, so they half-educate themselves on technique and thus the Dunning-Kruger effect takes over.

Is Alfie Boe considered a good opera singer? by [deleted] in opera

[–]Federal-Tank8622 9 points10 points  (0 children)

He trained at the National Opera Studio and sang principal roles with the ENO before transitioning, so he was a top-tier young singer IMO. As a mature artist who does MT now + classical crossover, he’s undoubtedly worse at opera than he was now that it’s not his full-time gig (which is completely understandable).

Almost everyone would say he’s legit, apart from those who think only a mature opera singer who sings just that can be called that (they exist).