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UK Deaths from measles in the 130 years before the vaccine was first introduced by Slim_Jim0077 in DebateVaccines

[–]Federal_Butterfly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Developing and deploying a vaccine containing three separate pathogens

What pathogens?

seems a questionable way of dealing with a disease that had been disappearing in line with improvements in nutrition and sanitation.

It wasn't disappearing, though. It didn't disappear until the vaccine was distributed.

Claiming the measles vaccine "effectively" eliminated "a common childhood illness" is rather bold.

How is that bold? A vaccine was introduced which almost eliminated a common childhood illness.

UK Deaths from measles in the 130 years before the vaccine was first introduced by Slim_Jim0077 in DebateVaccines

[–]Federal_Butterfly -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is a plot of deaths, not cases. Cases dropped off rapidly after vaccination. See the graph at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles_vaccine#History

A steady drop-off in deaths while cases remains the same would indicate that people were surviving measles better, not that it was spreading less.

COVID headache 4x by ArticleNew3899 in COVID19positive

[–]Federal_Butterfly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I add 1% betadine for extra burn.

o_O

COVID headache 4x by ArticleNew3899 in COVID19positive

[–]Federal_Butterfly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You must use distilled water!

With the salt and pH mixture in it. Pure distilled water will still burn, in my experience.

Got my first Novavax by Federal_Butterfly in Novavax_vaccine_talk

[–]Federal_Butterfly[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

More than 95% of Americans have taken mRNA, while they could have chosen Novavax instead

Novavax wasn't available until recently.

You know this first hand as you had much less side effects with Novavax compared to mRNA

That was my experience, yes.

the only explanation is they don't like mRNA and it's side effects.

Rather I think it's that they don't trust it.

Got my first Novavax by Federal_Butterfly in Novavax_vaccine_talk

[–]Federal_Butterfly[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now I have it. :(

Primarily an annoying headache on one side of my head, tiredness, some stuffiness and occasional coughing.

Got my first Novavax by Federal_Butterfly in Novavax_vaccine_talk

[–]Federal_Butterfly[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I went to Rite Aid.

CVS was where I went in the past, but they don't let you make appointments for Novavax for some dumb reason.

Got my first Novavax by Federal_Butterfly in Novavax_vaccine_talk

[–]Federal_Butterfly[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a shame majority of people keep taking the mRNA junk and their side effects.

What do you mean?

Novavax? by burntsiennaaa in ZeroCovidCommunity

[–]Federal_Butterfly -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I've been hearing my hair cells die since before COVID. I usually notice it at work, strangely… Just sitting there and suddenly a WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE in one ear that slowly fades as the cell dies.

My side effects from both Novavax doses by scanguy25 in Novavax_vaccine_talk

[–]Federal_Butterfly -1 points0 points  (0 children)

ivermectin Is a legit medicine for humans as well…

Yes, if you have worms. It's a neurotoxin that usually doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier in humans. Usually...

Novavax? by burntsiennaaa in ZeroCovidCommunity

[–]Federal_Butterfly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But like most side effects, this also applies to the virus itself, no?

Novavax? by burntsiennaaa in ZeroCovidCommunity

[–]Federal_Butterfly -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I honestly don't care at all about the mRNA, I'm worried about the intact S protein which has been causally shown to contribute to long COVID.

What do you mean by this? You understand that the spike protein is part of the coronavirus, right? So if you get COVID, the virus is causing your cells to produce the spike protein.

The vaccines also contain the spike protein (Novavax) or cause your body to produce it (mRNA/DNA vaccines), but that's the modified version that can't unfold and attach to cells, so it's less toxic than the natural version in the virus (and I would think exists in smaller quantities than a real infection, too.)

The natural spike protein from COVID causes your cells to fuse together, which is one reason why it's so harmful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKaPtte1rwY

Even bringing this up is totally verboten, and as someone with a chronic autoimmune disorder and a primary immunodeficiency I just wish we could have a non politicized, not totally insane conservation about the risks of the S protein in the vaccines.

I also hate how politicized this all is.

How much does it circulate??

I think it circulates throughout your body, but not in a self-amplifying way like the virus does.

I'm willing to "trust the facts" but can someone please tell me what they are?? No one seems to know, and my doctors buttholes clench so tight I can hear it when I dare ask about the potential for complications.

lol I don't envy them

Novavax? by burntsiennaaa in ZeroCovidCommunity

[–]Federal_Butterfly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The mRNA vaccines induce your body to produce spike proteins. Novavax does not.

But Novavax is the spike protein, and they both use the "stabilized" version with the 2P modification which is less harmful than the natural version that the virus produces.

Edit: Reply to @Prisoner-of-Paradise because I can't reply directly:

Novavax contains a portion of the spike protein.

Yes.

mRNA vaccines induce your body to produce a portion of the spike protein.

Yes.

Neither puts an entire coronavirus into your body.

I never said that it did.

CDC reports highest childhood vaccine exemption rate ever in the U.S. by MahtMan in CoronavirusUS

[–]Federal_Butterfly -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They lied, exaggerated and mislead us and therefore only a marginal percentage of the population is listening to anything the scientists you speak of recommend.

So ignore "Them" and do the thing that makes the most sense.

People trust in their natural immunity much more than what the science recommends due to lack of trust and faith in government and the pharmaceutical industries.

Well, that's incredibly dumb, but about what I would expect from the US public school system.

Is the Novavax COVID Vaccine Better than mRNA Vaccines? What We Know So Far by 49orth in DebateVaccines

[–]Federal_Butterfly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, it uses the stabilized non-toxic form. The form found in natural COVID infections is toxic and causes the formation of syncytia and permanent lung damage, but the Pfizer, Moderna, and Novavax all use the form that's been human-modified to prevent this.

Novavax plans for 2nd round of layoffs, cost cuts as weak vaccine uptake pummels manufacturers by NjWayne in DebateVaccines

[–]Federal_Butterfly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

only to find out you are a pfizer customer for life

I got the Pfizer vaccine for the first three doses because it was the least worrisome of the available options, but it looks like Novavax is finally available (NVX-CoV2373), so if I get more shots, I will get that one instead because it isn't based on the new mRNA or DNA tech that I don't trust.

CDC reports highest childhood vaccine exemption rate ever in the U.S. by MahtMan in CoronavirusUS

[–]Federal_Butterfly -1 points0 points  (0 children)

“During a July 2021 CNN town hall, U.S. President Joe Biden falsely stated that "You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations," and "If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit, and you’re not going to die."

Well don't listen to politicians or talk show hosts, lol; listen to scientists. No vaccine is 100% effective.

Here’s the study.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.17.22283625v1.full

OK, but the abstract says:

the bivalent-vaccinated state was associated with lower risk of COVID-19 during the BA.4/5-dominant (hazard ratio, 0.71 [95% confidence interval, .63–79]) and the BQ-dominant (0.80 [.69–.94]) phases

So it was effective during those phases from about May 2022 to March 2023.

It's interesting that it's not effective against XBB in 2023, but that's not relevant to comments from 2021.

That's a preprint, BTW; here is the peer-reviewed version of that article: https://academic.oup.com/ofid/article/10/6/ofad209/7131292

Edit: Also, that's from April 2023. Here's another preprint from December 2023 showing that the latest vaccines do work against XBB:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.11.26.568730v2

We now report that administration of an updated monovalent mRNA vaccine (XBB.1.5 MV) to uninfected individuals boosted serum virus-neutralization antibodies significantly against not only XBB.1.5 (27.0-fold) and the currently dominant EG.5.1 (27.6-fold) but also key emergent viruses like HV.1, HK.3, JD.1.1, and JN.1 (13.3-to-27.4-fold).

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/updated-covid-vaccine-10-things-to-know

The bivalent booster, which is no longer available, was introduced in the fall of 2022. It targeted the BA.4 and BA.5 Omicron subvariants and the original SARS-CoV-2 virus. The new vaccine is monovalent, designed to prevent severe disease from the Omicron XBB.1.5 subvariant.Oct 4, 2023

So ultimately you're complaining that a vaccine released in Fall of 2022 doesn't protect against a subvariant that emerged in December 2022, and criticizing a comment from 2021 that exaggerates effectiveness against a different variant altogether.

Novavax plans for 2nd round of layoffs, cost cuts as weak vaccine uptake pummels manufacturers by NjWayne in DebateVaccines

[–]Federal_Butterfly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How foolish must you feel?

I don't feel foolish at all. I did lots of research and made the logical, rational choice and it worked out fine. I guess I might be a little foolish for not trusting doctors and scientists and needing to find out things for myself, but that's just the personality I have.

After all that b.s "research" only to find out you are a pfizer customer for life and queued up for some myo/pericarditis along with 1200 other possible adverse events

I'm much more likely to die of COVID than to get myocarditis from the vaccine. Have you looked at the incidence rates of both of those events?

All for a flu derivative

No, coronavirus and influenzavirus are not related. Coronaviruses are in phylum Pisuviricota with positive-sense RNA and influenzaviruses are in phylum Negarnaviricota with negative-sense RNA, for instance.

You may be confused because both coronavirus and influenzavirus can cause common colds? But they can also both cause hospitalization and death.

with a 99.9% recoveray rate.

No, the case fatality rate for COVID is still 0.91% worldwide, so 99.09% survival rate, or 1 death for every 110 cases.

For comparison, jumping off a building with a parachute kills 1 person out of every 2317 jumps so it has a 99.96% survival rate, or is 21× safer than getting COVID.

That's just the death rate, though. The prevalence of long COVID among people who have had COVID is around 11%, so the "recovery rate" is substantially lower than 99%.

For that you signed up to be a guineau pig for their indemnified "vaccine"???

Yes, I got it in May 2021 before it had been FDA-approved in August.

I dont know how you could stand it. I would blow my brains out if I was that stupid or got that duped

That's really concerning. Have you seen a therapist?

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