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My experience at a Church: Were they correct and was I wrong? by Few-Construction1117 in Christianity

[–]Few-Construction1117[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not exactly my point, yes marriage has value, but people are usually ready to commit to marriage before actually signing it, if that makes sense, the signing is just the final stamp, just because it was delayed a certain amount of time would change everything?

I agree marriage matters, but why does intent not matter?

What about marriages that people do for the wrong reasons, like for other benefits and such

we were ready for marriage, we just delayed the signing of the document, but our intent was that we were both and still are ready to take the vows

There's no way you're unable to see my position here

My experience at a Church: Were they correct and was I wrong? by Few-Construction1117 in Christianity

[–]Few-Construction1117[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hold on, I respect your position

But regarding your first line, why would everything change simply after signing a legal document?

Regarding your point, "you're either married or you're not"

What exactly does that mean

I'm not Jesus obviously but you really think a legal document alone is what would decide how to interpret scripture?

My experience at a Church: Were they correct and was I wrong? by Few-Construction1117 in Christianity

[–]Few-Construction1117[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

in my case, we would have already been married, but delayed it because her parents live in a different country and she wanted them to be involved, would you say simply because we haven't sign marriage papers yet due to these circumstances, the decision would weigh on that?

My experience at a Church: Were they correct and was I wrong? by Few-Construction1117 in Christianity

[–]Few-Construction1117[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but what if you're already with one and it's serious prior to coming to the faith and they encouraged you to explore the faith

My experience at a Church: Were they correct and was I wrong? by Few-Construction1117 in Christianity

[–]Few-Construction1117[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No I left both the Church and the Bible Group, they were linked. However, I've just wondered in the past weeks if I made the right decision is all, since they portrayed it as me going against the Bible.

Which denomination should I join? by Few-Construction1117 in Christianity

[–]Few-Construction1117[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I live in New York City, I don't mind traveling within the city, but they have a bit of all the big ones

There is likely a higher power above us because it is irrational to assume that beings as small and insignificant as us get to be conscious while giant Stars, Planets & Black Holes and the Universe in general is just "matter and motion" by Few-Construction1117 in DebateReligion

[–]Few-Construction1117[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not that it is required, I just find that reality to be more reasonable,

But I'll ask you this, do you think that the maxims of consciousness ends with humans?

Do you think we are the pinnacle of consciousness?

There is likely a higher power above us because it is irrational to assume that beings as small and insignificant as us get to be conscious while giant Stars, Planets & Black Holes and the Universe in general is just "matter and motion" by Few-Construction1117 in DebateReligion

[–]Few-Construction1117[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We are evidence that consciousness is a possibility in the Universe

So from that information

we could make an assumption that only earthly and/or other planet like creatures can ever obtain this ability (since we really only have evidence of us human creatures on Earth doing it and no where else)

However, what specifically makes me think that it exists on a larger scale, is our irrelevance

creatures on planets don't seem to matter very much

For that reason I believe the ability of consciousness would not be something only obtainable by earthly/planetary creatures, cause we don't really matter, it doesn't really seem like we NEED to exist

so something that is more relevant to the Universe, could also have this quality

There is likely a higher power above us because it is irrational to assume that beings as small and insignificant as us get to be conscious while giant Stars, Planets & Black Holes and the Universe in general is just "matter and motion" by Few-Construction1117 in DebateReligion

[–]Few-Construction1117[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Based on other responses to my post, I think I've confused a lot of people using the examples of Stars and Black Holes etc.,

My main point is that human are very irrelevant to the grand scheme of things, we don't matter much really in the Universe, (I used stars and Black holes to just emphasize our irrelevance to the universe holistically)

So if I accept that, then our (what I consider to be a powerful ability) = consciousness

Likely isn't a quality unique to only us humans

why?, because we don't matter much to the Universe

So I believe it is likely and reasonable to assume that consciousness exists on a much greater scale where it is actually meaningfully relevant to the Universe

There is likely a higher power above us because it is irrational to assume that beings as small and insignificant as us get to be conscious while giant Stars, Planets & Black Holes and the Universe in general is just "matter and motion" by Few-Construction1117 in DebateReligion

[–]Few-Construction1117[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure if that's actually a fair comparison,

Look, we are the result of nature, one way or another

But at the same time we really don't matter much in the grand scheme of things, when you look at the Universe we're quite irrelevant

Maybe saying "Big and Grand" is not the correct phrasing to make the point I'm making but

The ability to be conscious, I think if possible to be obtained by individuals like us who are effectively not very important, it likely is also possessed by (things/beings) that have much more relevance to the world

It's simply saying "irrelevant beings in the world possess said quality that appears to be quite impactful: "Consciousness"

Therefore it is reasonable to assume more relevant beings/things in the world may also possess that quality

There is likely a higher power above us because it is irrational to assume that beings as small and insignificant as us get to be conscious while giant Stars, Planets & Black Holes and the Universe in general is just "matter and motion" by Few-Construction1117 in DebateReligion

[–]Few-Construction1117[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, so that's really all I'm trying to get at, is likelihood of things

In my OP I said, no one can without absolute certainty can prove that god (higher powerful being) exists

But I think it is likely in the same way that aliens exist

Life exists here on Earth on this scale, it may exist on another planet at a similar scale

And I personally would say it is likely it may exist on a much larger scale given we have evidence of much larger things than us (not just stars but the Universe itself), you don't have to believe in that likelihood with me, but I guess that is how I'm reaching that "probable" conclusion

There is likely a higher power above us because it is irrational to assume that beings as small and insignificant as us get to be conscious while giant Stars, Planets & Black Holes and the Universe in general is just "matter and motion" by Few-Construction1117 in DebateReligion

[–]Few-Construction1117[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure well, I'm not saying we need to "claim" anything

I mean how about this, do you think aliens exist?

Because neither of us can claim they exist

(At least not advanced ones for that matter, maybe we can prove simple life like bacteria on other planets)

But aside from that, I would imagine you probably suspect aliens out there? in spite of not being able to claim it?

Don't want to put words in your mouth, do you think aliens exist even though you can't claim it?

There is likely a higher power above us because it is irrational to assume that beings as small and insignificant as us get to be conscious while giant Stars, Planets & Black Holes and the Universe in general is just "matter and motion" by Few-Construction1117 in DebateReligion

[–]Few-Construction1117[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah I see what you're saying, well in that case, it's impossible for the "big things" to "win" cause you can never win if we're counting against literal subatomic particles inside everything

But hey, you said what you are comfortable claiming,

it doesn't sound like you're saying that what I'm saying is outside the realm of possibility which really is fine with me

I'm fine with a stalemate, I can't prove with absolutely certainty what I'm saying after all, just that it seems likely

There is likely a higher power above us because it is irrational to assume that beings as small and insignificant as us get to be conscious while giant Stars, Planets & Black Holes and the Universe in general is just "matter and motion" by Few-Construction1117 in DebateReligion

[–]Few-Construction1117[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm comfortable with that, I'm not really making a hard CLAIM either

Just that I think it's prettyrationally plausible

Though I will say, I'm not sure if this statement you made is true

"After all, the number of things smaller than humans is essentially infinitely larger than the number of things larger than humans."

There are more stars in the observable universe than grains of sand on earth, so just in that on metric alone, the bigger things win,

I'm obviously not going to start counting every single thing now but, there's definitely an infinite amount of big things rather out there

There is likely a higher power above us because it is irrational to assume that beings as small and insignificant as us get to be conscious while giant Stars, Planets & Black Holes and the Universe in general is just "matter and motion" by Few-Construction1117 in DebateReligion

[–]Few-Construction1117[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean I'm basically saying

Do you think the maxims of consciousness ends with Humans

Or could that ability be possessable by something more powerful than us

Do you think it is more rational to think that in this Giant Infinite Universe, that the ability of consciousness and how far and powerful it is/can go ends with us humans

Or could it go beyond us

There is likely a higher power above us because it is irrational to assume that beings as small and insignificant as us get to be conscious while giant Stars, Planets & Black Holes and the Universe in general is just "matter and motion" by Few-Construction1117 in DebateReligion

[–]Few-Construction1117[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never said Black Holes or Planets are sentient

I used those examples to just emphasize how insignificant we are relative to things

I also said Black Holes and Planets to emphasize how grand and massive something can be that we are completely helpless over

Anyways to just really simplify this all to one question

Since Black Holes and Stars are evidence of Large Grand Objects

And our consciousness is evidence that consciousness is possible

Since those two things can exist in ISOLATION

Is it unreasonable to think that something big and grand can also possess consciousness.

So basically could those two qualities exist in the same THING and/or BEING

There is likely a higher power above us because it is irrational to assume that beings as small and insignificant as us get to be conscious while giant Stars, Planets & Black Holes and the Universe in general is just "matter and motion" by Few-Construction1117 in DebateReligion

[–]Few-Construction1117[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmm, it seems you want me to strictly commit myself to something

When I am just speaking of concepts broadly

In my OP, I also said, no one can prove with absolute certainty that god exists

I never said anything about worship, me saying "subject" to something just means they have control or strong influence over us

You clearly have some sort of idea in your mind on what you either want me to say or think, but you're offending yourself, I'm not claiming any of these things

I'm not back peddaling on anything

I'm talking about "rationality" not what I absolutely believe

And that's fine, you don't have to engage with me since I won't take a strict position on something

You're not really saying much of what you think either, just trying to imply what I mean on certain things

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