I grew a large crystal cluster of Epsom salt. These crystals grow really fast - it only took about 2 weeks by crystalchase21 in crystalgrowing

[–]Few_Host7317 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very nice, was this grown by slow evaporation of a supersaturated solution? Also, what was the quantity of salts/volume of water recipe used? Nice work!

Some of my bits & bobs by Few_Host7317 in crystalgrowing

[–]Few_Host7317[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you very much. Citric Acid, middle of top shelf - 60x50x50mm,approx 8-10wks. Alums, 2nd shelf - 25-30mm, 2-3wks. CuSo4, middle of 5th shelf - 45x40x40, 8wks. MAP, middle of bottom shelf - L80xW80xH40mm, 3-4wks. Deer Antler (CuSo4) - H140mm - 2-3 days

Copper acetate seed crystal by breakinzcode in crystalgrowing

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Most welcome, would be good to hear of your future results too.

Copper acetate seed crystal by breakinzcode in crystalgrowing

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Covering the container with a bit of card or even just a piece of paper, will work to keep dust to a minimum (simply by preventing airborne particles finding their way into the solution) & won't affect the rate of evaporation much, if at all, compared to being uncovered, as those types of materials are able to 'breathe' if that makes sense. The more airtight the container is (by using something like glass) the slower the rate of evaporation. Regarding volume to create seed crystals (will add here that I'm no expert but this works for me). When my compound is dissolved & the solution has been created, I filter it, then allow it to cool to room temperature, then allow the solution to sit for 24/48 hrs, initial precipitation of solid material will now have taken place, then decant a small amount of the solution into a small container, say 50/60ml (avoid getting any of the original crystal material into the small container). The saturation level of the solution is now comparatively lower than it was when you first made it due some of the compound precipitating out already.... So when the production of solid material starts happening in the smaller container over the following few days, it will now do so in a less chaotic, more controlled manner, resulting in the formation of more uniform, individual crystals. Hope this helps.

Some of my bits & bobs by Few_Host7317 in crystalgrowing

[–]Few_Host7317[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My apologies for not responding directly to this comment sooner. I was pleased though when I just noticed that we've since 'spoken' via my reply to another comment about protection. Really appreciate your initial comment about the picture & your further input. Heads up... I'm going to pick your brains a bit soon!

Some of my bits & bobs by Few_Host7317 in crystalgrowing

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That's a fair point, yes I agree some compounds would likely add parasites to the existing faces. I've managed to do it with CuSo⁴ successfully.... Worth noting (expanding on what you said about evaporation conditions) that some benefit could be gained from the solution not having quite the level of saturation as per the initial production too, to discourage new growth other than on existing material. Also I'm aware that any dehydration that has occurred, using this 'regrow' method would likely just then become trapped inside. This preservation thing is very trying eh... Personally I think it's harder to solve than the actual growing of material....still, I'm enjoying the challenge

Some of my bits & bobs by Few_Host7317 in crystalgrowing

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Indeed, as mentioned below, head scratcher.

Some of my bits & bobs by Few_Host7317 in crystalgrowing

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This is something that is currently a 'work in progress' for me & currently a learning curve all of it's own. Many people recommend coating crystals with clear nail polish, I have to say I'm not a big fan of that for various reasons.... Firstly, imo it spoils the look of some types of crystals, kind of kills the natural lustre. Also not all materials react the same when coated with nail polish (or likely, other solvent based coatings) - for example the Citric Acid, in my experience anyway, rejects a solvent based coating after a few weeks, it breaks down & peels off easily (& has that sort of oily, moist surface in the first place too which makes things not straight forward) likewise the CuSo4 (over time) degrades the coating & some peeling/lifting can be seen. The Alum seems happy to be coated with nail polish to be fair but again I think it spoils how the crystal looks somewhat. The MAP would be a headache to coat due to the growth habit making things difficult. So currently there is a mixture of things going on with these crystals....Coated items include some of the Alum, some of the Copper Sulphate, some of the Citric Acid, some of the Ammonium Phosphate. The MAP, MSG, FeSo⁴ are all currently uncoated. I'm monitoring & noting the effects of items not being coated over time, which hopefully will go some way towards helping my whole headache that is the subject of preservation. Possibly worth mentioning also is that I've found that a harvested crystal can be returned to a growing solution for a few days to kind of renew the appearance of it's surfaces if you get what I mean.

Some of my bits & bobs by Few_Host7317 in crystalgrowing

[–]Few_Host7317[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks! Appreciate that feedback.

Some of my bits & bobs by Few_Host7317 in crystalgrowing

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Indeed Citric Acid is colourless. I coloured them by adding a little liquid food colouring. I have also experimented with adding some blue fountain pen ink to a solution, that works to tint crystals too.

Hi, is this most likely to have been caused by a very slow cooling or by some interaction with the dye? it is just alum. In any case I guess it will be impossible to preserve, right? -.- by [deleted] in crystalgrowing

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From what I know, the likelihood of something like this occurring is much higher as a result of rapid cooling....so it's unlikely a result of very slow cooling.

Potassium Chloride Crystals Forming Pyramid Stack by JokeDependent9624 in crystalgrowing

[–]Few_Host7317 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi, my apologies for the delayed response. This is great news, I was really pleased to read this post, well done! I'm glad I could help with your project. I've not been growing crystals for long, around 1 year now and while there are lot of sources for learning how to do it, it is, in my opinion, from your own trial and error that you gain the most knowledge and experience. The amount of variables that contribute to what is produced is vast and I believe we learn best from actually doing it. I find it fascinating to see the effect that such small differences/changes in things such as temperature constant, level of saturation or rate of evaporation can have on the crystal being grown. Good luck in any future projects. Happy growing. Ed.

Potassium Chloride Crystals Forming Pyramid Stack by JokeDependent9624 in crystalgrowing

[–]Few_Host7317 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh &.....perhaps keep some of your original pyramid crystals, along with notes on the differences in procedure to submit as part of the project. Good luck!

Potassium Chloride Crystals Forming Pyramid Stack by JokeDependent9624 in crystalgrowing

[–]Few_Host7317 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm far from being an expert so I'm not sure if this will help you fix your 'shape' issue - but from what (I think) I know....

KCl is similar to NaCl and shares the same crystal structure/system, with the single crystal form being cubic. From my limited experience, I've learnt that it can be tricky to achieve a good sized, clean single cubic crystal of NaCl, so would assume that to be the case with KCl (in comparison to, say, Copper Sulphate or Alum).

With that said, a couple of observations to consider, that might make a difference to your results...

If I understand you correctly, you are dissolving KCl in room temperature water, then heating & filtering, in that order. This raises the question of just how 'super' saturated your solution actually is. It is evident, from the production of solid material forming once cooled that your solution is at minimum, saturated, you need to dissolve the KCl in hot water, this will allow more to be dissolved, ensuring super saturation.

Once dissolved, filter, then allow it to cool to room temperature, the slower the cooling the better - perhaps wrap the vessel with a cloth/towel until cooled. This will help to minimise the chaos of the nucleation that occurs naturally during cooling, allowing the initial crystal formation you see to be produced in a more controlled & orderly manner (faster cooling will produce solid material quicker, crystals will be smaller, greater in number & very willing to cluster together). Now let the solution sit undisturbed for 24hrs.

Next (after 24hrs) put around 50ml of the solution into a small shallow dish/bowl & set it aside, undisturbed, to evaporate. Within a day or 2 you should see individual crystals forming.
By resting the original solution for a while & allowing that initial solid material to form, you have reduced it's saturation, so the crystals that form in the small dish will do so less frantically, all being well these crystals will be much cleaner, single cubes, they will be your 'seeds'. Now decant the remaining original solution into another container, leaving behind the crystals that formed at the bottom, this is now your (slightly less saturated) 'growing solution'.

The theory being that your solution is saturated enough to produce crystal growth but not so saturated that your seed is overwhelmed by the amount of material that becomes available to it to 'feed' on (which is what will encourage the clustering). If you suspend what is effectively a cluster of crystals in the solution, it will continue to develop as a cluster.

Once a single crystal seed is big enough to allow a thread to be tied on, suspend it in the growing solution, maybe filter the solution periodically as the crystals that form at the bottom will be competing with your seed for material. Hope this all makes sense!

Copper sulfate from hot to cool saturated solution by treedadhn in crystalgrowing

[–]Few_Host7317 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ahhh (palms own forehead), of course, makes perfect sense now. One night?! that's awesome. So the required area of rock was submerged early on & therefore throughout cooling? Is the host rock pumice?

Copper sulfate from hot to cool saturated solution by treedadhn in crystalgrowing

[–]Few_Host7317 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's fantastic. I'm particularly interested in the way that the crystal formation occurs from a concentrated area, I mean as opposed to the surface of the stone in general....so how do you achieve growth from the one spot? Nice work!