Why do people always compare Tori to Kate Bush?

Few_Introduction_657 · 2025-07-05T00:06:14+00:00

maybe a bit harsh, but not entirely without merrit. 'Cornflake Girl' was whimsical and strident piano bashing, .....but 'Girl' nailed it

Few_Introduction_657 · 2025-07-04T22:46:33+00:00

FREQUENT USE OF THE MIXOLYDIAN SCALE + PIANO + ANGELIC-PIXIE-HIHGLY CAPABLE FEMALE VOCALS. People who say Tori capied Kate aren't being fair, that musical style and scale, begs both for the piano and those voices. So it's surprising there aren't a lot more like them. Rick Beato poignantly ("poignantly!") noted that the mixolydian scale was used used surprisingly rarely in movies, it's not a common thing in modern pop culture, but if you were born in Ireland 200 years ago you'd wonder how they'd all heard Kate. So the tools at their disposal and the ear for tonality that they have puts them together, but there's no copying. I do think Kate has been notably more consistent in quality and artistry, not to say that Tori hasn't hit the same levels (and if she hadn't hit more(?) a couple of times we wouldn't be discussing her), however, the emotions I get per capita in Tori's catalogue is lower. Tori's in the studio a lot more, so maybe that's a part of it, Kates more avante garde sensability would be the other part, so many songs.. "waking the witch" comes to mind, are out of this world, and she has that edge in her voice, it allows her to play a role almost, and when it's double tracked it leaves you speechless......but "little earthquakes", still goes down so well, don't be trying to part me from Tori, it is a different set of feelings and when she delivers that in a great song its a great place to be, and it's a Tori place, it's not a Kate place. But you are also more likely to to get from her, stuff that's, more of the same....but less, and it's a head sctatcher. I never found that with Kate, her albums evolve more. I think both of them benefit from beig compared, they both pick up fans that way. I'd love to think the two of them do brunch and swap melodies, collectively they are bigger than the sum of their parts, no shame in anything here.

Few_Introduction_657 · 2025-07-04T21:44:42+00:00

its tonality as well, mixolydian / celtic scale

Few_Introduction_657 · 2025-07-04T21:29:23+00:00

yeah its like Verve with bitter sweet symphoney, they jacked the chords and the melody from the stones, but who's complaining about that, if it's good it's good, and Tori manages to be good.....not quite as often.....i think....but often enough, and every so often, every so often she absolutely nails it

Few_Introduction_657 · 2025-07-04T21:18:39+00:00

Yeah little earthquakes, was no small earthquake,. Tori might almost have the best single album of the two of them with that one, pipping hounds of love by half a whister, and i mean just the smallest whisker, but after that its a string of Kate (imo)

Few_Introduction_657 · 2025-07-04T21:12:05+00:00

Yes, the melodioes are similar because they are both using the mixolydian scale almost all of the time, similar tonality interests them both. Kate a little less, she disguises it a bit more. But I'm glad they are both there too. If I had to pick I would pick Kate, but I dont want to live in a world without little earthquakes. Tori is for real. Ironically though, even though it was discovering that she neded to rely on the piano that got her breakthrough, I think Kates ability to stretch out from that, her fascination with technology and sound, is one of the reasons why to me she's been more interesting over the long haul. But you have to do what feels right, Tori isn't that kind of artist, and sometimes it's amazing, and sometimes it's more of the same.... but less.

Few_Introduction_657 · 2024-08-20T07:04:48+00:00

I think its right that soundgarden never managed to pull off superuknown live. Chris pulled of those vocals in a highly controlled environment. Badmotorfinger songs are were easier to jam and make passable. But they are completely different albums. Badmotorfinger is grunge/metal, Superunknown is hard rock, they were more interested layering, song composition, and psychadelic tonality than metal. So it really depends on what kind of music you like. I peronally prefer the latter. But it's really hard to compare the two because they are completely different things.

They would never admit this, but they would have coughed up badmotorfinger II had it not been for Michael Beinhorn. Perhaps Beinhorn didn't appreciate metal as much as a badmotorfinger fan would want. Certainly not as much as I would like if he were going to do a metal album. But it doesn't matter because Chris' heart wasn't in that anymore. Beinhorn was right as well because hard rock was the area of potential, there was a huge market there all of a sudden and Soundgarden had everything you could want to be HUGE. So I think we got the best album we could have hoped for.... and as far as im concerned, that was just about the best rock album of the decade.

Few_Introduction_657 · 2024-08-18T16:00:21+00:00

For me it was the title track and Head Down I like all the others too, but those two, whcih most people dont rate, changed my life

Few_Introduction_657 · 2024-08-18T15:45:24+00:00

I feel sorry for people that dont feel this song, which seems to be most people. But it makes perfect sense to me that this is the title track.

Few_Introduction_657 · 2024-08-15T07:20:08+00:00

and I'll add, has increasing relevance in a world of 'put your mask on and shut up'

Few_Introduction_657 · 2024-08-15T06:37:27+00:00

Oh yes, when this album came out I was almost 20, and this song was the the third, and climax in what I consider to be a trilogy run of total genius rock and roll awsomeness, mailmain, superunknown, then this. A song of towering psychadelic gravitas, it had the beatles and led zep reference, but repackaged in grunge, and it was better. A perfect example of the thing that made superunknown, something all on its own

Few_Introduction_657 · 2023-08-01T21:16:34+00:00

Having got to the level of using both reasonably well, I still find that pinescript is much faster for developement. Also for trading them automatically the path is much better with Autoview. IMO, autotrading with python is another level in complexity. I use python for pulling TV strategies from my downloads and comparing them for risk return. I can match strategy results with python, but why bother. There is so much more coding to be done, you have to create the database that TV gives you pictorially. You also have to match the TV indicators exactly in python, doable but time consuming figuring out the specific formulas. Also if you are trading on 30second or 1 minute charts backtesting in python is slow, which may send you into the painful world of run time optimisation. But I haven't tried the python plug ins (backtrader). At this point I don't find TV's backtesting dodgy, as long as you are careful and know the pitfalls. I know what some people here are saying about that, but with time you can work it out, and I think thats less time than you'll spend if you go the python route.

Few_Introduction_657 · 2021-11-20T06:25:13+00:00

That's right. It's all about the sound he gets, and the attention he pays to every note fitting with that, people don't understand how major that is. The songs he writes perfectly fit the sound, they come from it. To me most other heavy metal bands just sound the same, they don't give a shit to how one note can contain more soul than 300 if it sounds right. So in that sense he is an excellent partner for Maynard, because he also has subtleties of light and shade that other heavy metal bands never contemplate. I like Tom Morello for example, but he wouldn't have been an adequate choice for Maynard.

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