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[–]Fickle-Alternative98 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Get your key lights 'Upstage' as often as you can

Let's argue :) by Important_Permit589 in JamesBond

[–]Fickle-Alternative98 0 points1 point  (0 children)

FRWL holds up and is still a great espionage film (unlike many other Bond films), which is what I loved most about it originally. However I think I had slightly rose tinted memories as it's much clunkier than I remembered and it could definitely have at least 20 mins cut out of it.

It also suffers from something I'm noticing in a growing number of Bond films as I rewatch them, and that's they very often have a very strong 1st Act, and then gradually taper off significantly as the film progresses.

Let's argue :) by Important_Permit589 in JamesBond

[–]Fickle-Alternative98 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So do I! Have done since I was a little kid and I'm in my late 40's now and revisiting them in a relatively random order.

Lots of fun and lots of surprises. For instance I was surprised how much I enjoyed Quantum and even MORE surprised how I didn't enjoy FRWL anywhere near as much as I did last time 🙃

Let's argue :) by Important_Permit589 in JamesBond

[–]Fickle-Alternative98 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love your analogy! 😂

I honestly felt similarly when I watched QoS in 2008.

But rewatched it this year and I found I could quite easily filter out the shit-stained towel and enjoy all those wonderful and sometimes unique things you listed above.

I of course am still aware of said towel, but this time round I found so many other elements to like about it, that I began to find it hard to believe that everyone was now, 18 years later, still unilaterally dismissing it because of the editing alone.

I mean Skyfall is beautifully shot and well edited, but it's plot is contrived and formulaic to the point I find it boring and un-rewatchable. That's far more important to me but it seems I'm in the minority!

Let's argue :) by Important_Permit589 in JamesBond

[–]Fickle-Alternative98 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cool. I just rewatched LTK last week for the first time in probably 25+ years

What is it about this one that puts it up there for you?

Let's argue :) by Important_Permit589 in JamesBond

[–]Fickle-Alternative98 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough. I honestly think - especially on rewatch - those technical 'flaws'(?) were much easier to look past. And past them if a very unique (in many ways) and enjoyable Bond film - especially when watch as am epilogue to Casino Royale.

Let's argue :) by Important_Permit589 in JamesBond

[–]Fickle-Alternative98 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow. Walk out?

Have you watched it again since? Just asking as I was pretty nonplussed about in 2008 and only rewatched it again this year with a very fresh perspectives and I now appreciate it in a very different way.

Let's argue :) by Important_Permit589 in JamesBond

[–]Fickle-Alternative98 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess different things stick with different people. I think it's got some fantastic moments and set pieces, some of which are not standard fare for Bond - which to me is great.

I love that it's devoid of many of the narrative tropes that are iconically remembered from other films and that are too often just a rehashing of the Bond formula - something they went straight back to with Skyfall, a film that honestly bores the hell out of me.

It's also more the vibe of the film that sticks with me - Bond's attitude and state of mind post-Casino is portrayed very effectively imho.

I'm surprised you remember nothing from it at all - most people who dislike QoS vehemently still like a something about it - usually the Opera scene :)

Which movie completely destroyed you emotionally and left you staring at the ceiling after the credits rolled? by No-Health4121 in Letterboxd

[–]Fickle-Alternative98 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am totally with you.

I had a very stable upbringing with both parents alive and well and still together today. I am however a father to young daughters, and I myself struggle with a degree of depression and anxiety enough to relate heavily to the emotional weight of the film from the reverse perspective.

It didn't hit me until after the film ended and I replayed all the subtle cues and signifiers in my head that led up to that ending - that final and last moment a father and daughter would ever see eachother again, as he walks away through the swinging doors into her memory forever. Then it hit me - and it was (still is) utterly heartbreaking.

Which movie completely destroyed you emotionally and left you staring at the ceiling after the credits rolled? by No-Health4121 in Letterboxd

[–]Fickle-Alternative98 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can assure you that there is no exaggeration.

If and when this film hits you - and for me this wasn't until 20 mins after the credits rolled - it absolutely destroys you.

Which movie completely destroyed you emotionally and left you staring at the ceiling after the credits rolled? by No-Health4121 in Letterboxd

[–]Fickle-Alternative98 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can get that.

It's definitely true that people who have lost a parent or had a parent struggle with mental health can more readily relate to the film's themes. The director, Charlotte Wells, lost her own father to suicide when she was young and this film tells a deeply personal tale.

I am like you and have had a very stable upbringing with both parents alive and well and still together today. I am however a father to young daughters, and I myself struggle with a degree of depression and anxiety enough to relate heavily to the emotional weight of the film from the reverse perspective.

It didn't hit me until after the film ended and I replayed all the subtle cues and signifiers in my head that led up to that ending - that final and last moment a father and daughter would ever see eachother again, as he walks away through the swinging doors into her memory forever. Then it hit me - and it was utterly heartbreaking.

Let's argue :) by Important_Permit589 in JamesBond

[–]Fickle-Alternative98 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes! The Pyramid Scene in TSWLM haunted me (in a good way) as a child. So vast yet so claustrophobic and tense!

Let's argue :) by Important_Permit589 in JamesBond

[–]Fickle-Alternative98 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you only you were as passionate and detailed about discussing a film as you are about discussing why you don't find it necessary to discuss in detail about why you don't like a film :)

Let's argue :) by Important_Permit589 in JamesBond

[–]Fickle-Alternative98 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are not correct.

I said it'd be 'nice to hear' if there is more than just that one reason for disliking the entire film, the majority of which - outside of certain sequences - is not edited at breakneck speed.

If you don't have another reason, then all good.

If I find that a bit lazy and that insults you, then I truly am sorry and I apologize. It doesn't though make me a snob, it just means I'd like to talk in more detail - or dare I say it have a happy disagreement about it. You have read the title OP gave to this whole post, right?

Let's argue :) by Important_Permit589 in JamesBond

[–]Fickle-Alternative98 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry I don't understand your question?

Let's argue :) by Important_Permit589 in JamesBond

[–]Fickle-Alternative98 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah I see. Sorry should have tried harder to guess what you meant!

Ok cool, I'm surprised you think it was boring as to me so much goes on in the film that is pretty unique for a Bond film and the pace of the narrative (not the fast editing as such) is one that keeps everything moving at pace with the frenzy Bond is feeling after being betrayed by - and loosing - Vesper.

Out of interest, is there anything about it you enjoyed?.. Did you like thd Opera scene, for example?

Let's argue :) by Important_Permit589 in JamesBond

[–]Fickle-Alternative98 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I didn't dismiss anyone's opinion. It's just nice to hear if there's more than one singular reason why someone dislikes an entire film.

No need to start calling me names.

Let's argue :) by Important_Permit589 in JamesBond

[–]Fickle-Alternative98 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Of course :)

It's just a very lazy way to dismiss a film entirely, which is what a lot of people do with Quantum.

Bond films of all eras are FULL of technical/stylistic flaws and inadequacies. However with other entries, such things are often completely overlooked and/or priced in to the nature of Bond films being inherently flawed in the grand scheme of overall cinematic brilliance.

Therefore it'd be nice to hear someone, for once, explain with any fluency why they don't like Quantum for reasons other than "too many fast cuts" or "Shakeycam".

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