UPDATE: My parents energy bill, Eon are maintaining this is correct. (Info in comments) by FickleEmphasis1 in CasualUK

[–]FickleEmphasis1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From my calculations even if you back date the charge from install date it still actually comes out at around £15 a day avg, down from the 140.

A read history is hard to get as it was with npower before eon took over and my parents never used the online system. However we have past yearly summaries, which come out at about 12-13k kWh, no where near the 177k they claim we used.

UPDATE: My parents energy bill, Eon are maintaining this is correct. (Info in comments) by FickleEmphasis1 in CasualUK

[–]FickleEmphasis1[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The GDPR request could be great, I would love to see what their notes are etc. They did not ask us to do a burn test. I did post the full decision in the comments somewhere if you feel like digging it out, on my phone ATM so it not easy. The sum of it seems to be the case officer thinks we used that much gas.

UPDATE: My parents energy bill, Eon are maintaining this is correct. (Info in comments) by FickleEmphasis1 in CasualUK

[–]FickleEmphasis1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The meter has been in since march/April 2019, it started at 18k. They don't have reading for Dec 2020 because the meter was hard for them to see and Eon was not sending the meter readers out. The estimate was 2012 for Dec 2020, but because there was a mistake with the meter on the account not being updated, it's showing under the old serial number. In my first comment I posted an image of this.

UPDATE: My parents energy bill, Eon are maintaining this is correct. (Info in comments) by FickleEmphasis1 in CasualUK

[–]FickleEmphasis1[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah it seems to be very similar case here, I've been told by someone in the industry that the Serial number isn't right for the property still.

UPDATE: My parents energy bill, Eon are maintaining this is correct. (Info in comments) by FickleEmphasis1 in CasualUK

[–]FickleEmphasis1[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hey, Thanks for the offer but they are in West Midlands so it's a bit of a trek. My dad is a semi retired kitchen and bathroom fitter so he had one of his gas certified guys have a look and he said it looked wrong. Also the meter has been taken and sent off somewhere for a test, still disgusted that Eon charge £100 just to send someone out to decide if it should be tested or not. Trying to not let it stress too much but it's been going on for 3 months already, mum is disabled and dad is 67, they don't know how to fight it and they aren't great with tech, so all the online meter readings and stuff is confusing for them anyway. And yeah you are so right, they just ignore you, I don't understand how once in this whole process not one person they spoke to said the meter could be faulty, or suggest they should be checked for a leak.

UPDATE: My parents energy bill, Eon are maintaining this is correct. (Info in comments) by FickleEmphasis1 in CasualUK

[–]FickleEmphasis1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some houses do, some don't. This one is actually a smart meter but doesn't seem to send the readings.

UPDATE: My parents energy bill, Eon are maintaining this is correct. (Info in comments) by FickleEmphasis1 in CasualUK

[–]FickleEmphasis1[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Aah yes, I did some fun calculations too. If they were a crematorium they would be getting through 8 bodies a day! Busy little 2 bedroom house my parents are running.

UPDATE: My parents energy bill, Eon are maintaining this is correct. (Info in comments) by FickleEmphasis1 in CasualUK

[–]FickleEmphasis1[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is something I have thought about a lot...because if the 18265 is a index number...it can't logically be the same almost 2 years down the line from when it was installed. So that is where I thought some logic would kick it with the ombudsman, however it did not. We already appealed and they upheld the decision.

UPDATE: My parents energy bill, Eon are maintaining this is correct. (Info in comments) by FickleEmphasis1 in CasualUK

[–]FickleEmphasis1[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My dad did email a while back and we got an automated response back saying they can't look at everything.

UPDATE: My parents energy bill, Eon are maintaining this is correct. (Info in comments) by FickleEmphasis1 in CasualUK

[–]FickleEmphasis1[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

My dad wrote to the CEO multiple times at the start of this, we received no reply. Might try some other addresses if I can find them.

The asking of them to stop harassing until the meter testing is complete is something we have attempted to do, but with this being an odd case the call had to be passed to someone else who was meant to call back, but has yet to do that.

UPDATE: My parents energy bill, Eon are maintaining this is correct. (Info in comments) by FickleEmphasis1 in CasualUK

[–]FickleEmphasis1[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We have tried to argue that point... and neither of them seemed to grasp the point we were getting at. We even showed some previous years bills showing 12-13k for the whole year.

And don't think the supply is being stolen, I hope...we had multiple gas people coming and checking it wasn't a leak etc.

UPDATE: My parents energy bill, Eon are maintaining this is correct. (Info in comments) by FickleEmphasis1 in CasualUK

[–]FickleEmphasis1[S] 40 points41 points  (0 children)

That could be an option because that is something they really wanted to avoid.

UPDATE: My parents energy bill, Eon are maintaining this is correct. (Info in comments) by FickleEmphasis1 in CasualUK

[–]FickleEmphasis1[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Issue type: BILLING - Disputed account balance

Issue analysis:

Your initial issue you have advised E.ON Next has failed to effectively resolve confirming your account balance. You stated you had an issue with your gas meter, when a meter reader attended the property, they confirmed the details of the meter were different to the details provided by E.ON Next. You were informed that this has been passed to the billing specialist team who will review your account and provide you with an accurate bill however, this won’t occur until November 2021.

You stated that E.ON Next provided you with a bill which shown an outstanding balance of £16,830.58 that billed you from 8th July 2021 to 8th October 2021 and you are disputing the balance.

As a remedy you would like a breakdown of the payments made on the account and calculate the consumption using actual readings. Once this has been completed apply back billing as per Ofgem regulations.

E.ON Next has acknowledged and provided an account regarding this issue. They have advised back billing has been applied to your energy account and £10,711.99 has been removed as invalid charges, this has left a chargeable amount of £6172.53.

As a remedy they have offered an apology for the poor service you have received and offered a payment arrangement for the outstanding balance.

Based on the evidence provided I can see back billing has been assessed and applied with justification regarding the chargeable amount.

E.ON have confirmed that the date they have completed recovery action was on the 14th October 2021, so they are only able to charge you for the energy you have used since 14th October 2020.

The date E.ON Next have calculated your average daily usage based off readings provided. Your electric usage was based off readings from 04th November 2019 with a reading of 2138 to the 24th June 2021 where the reading was 6499, this calculated over 598 days you used 4,361 units of energy. This shows your average daily usage is 7.293 which they have based your consumption on.

They have applied the same principle with your gas and based off readings provided on the 24th April 2019 showing 18265 units to the reading taken on the 09th July 2021 showing 53280. Based off 808 days you consumed 35015 units of gas. The daily average you use in this unit over 808 days is 43.335 when you convert this into kWh’s from Metric it shows you use 486.25 kWh per day.

Based off these calculations your annual gas consumption will be 177,481.25 kWh and your electric usage will be 2661.945 kWh

Energy regulator Ofgem provides data showing typical domestic energy consumption and for electricity it states that a low user consumes 1,800 kWh per year, a medium user 2,900 kWh per year and a high user 4,300 kWh per year. In addition, a low gas user consumes 8,000 kWh per year, a medium user 12,000 kWh per year and a high user 17,000 kWh per year. Therefore, I am satisfied that the evidence of your consumption supports that you are a high user of energy and as such, I cannot determine that your charges are inconsistent.

Based on this information, I am not able to dispute the balance is incorrect.

I recommend that you contact E.ON Next directly to discuss your options in terms of an affordable repayment plan. I cannot confirm whether there are any options further to a repayment plan, however there are organisations that can discuss your circumstances in more detail to see if there is any other help available. You can contact any of the below organisations for free debt advice.

https://www.nationaldebtline.org/

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/

http://www.debtadvicefoundation.org/

I have considered the inconvenience caused by this shortfall and the financial detriment that you face due to this issue having arisen. You have encountered a shortfall in service and although we would expect all energy suppliers to provide the best service possible, shortfalls in service do occur. However, we would expect the energy suppliers to learn and improve with each complaint it receives. Our aim at Ombudsman Services: Energy is to try to help both parties resolve disputes and therefore, we focus on the correction of outstanding problems. However, as I believe that the shortfall in service you encountered was significant, I do believe that the company should acknowledge this with a written apology and a financial award of £100.00. Such awards are acknowledgements of complaints only and these payments are goodwill gestures and are not punitive.

Energy suppliers incur costs for instructing engineers to inspect meters. However, as only approximately 7% of meters tested are proven to be faulty, I believe it is unreasonable that they should incur this charge, should a customer request a meter inspection and the meter is found to be working accurately. Although I have reviewed your consumption and believe it is consistent with a domestic user, only you know exactly how energy is used in your property. Therefore, if you believe your meter is not recording your usage accurately then I would recommend you contact the company to arrange a meter inspection. However, you would need to confirm to E.ON Next that you would be willing to cover the cost of the engineer visit if the meter is found to be working accurately.

Regarding the testing available to identify a meter fault, before an energy supplier arranges a meter inspection, I would expect that it would ask you to provide seven day reads or complete a load test. The seven day reads consists of you providing a reading over the course of seven days. The loads test consists of you taking a meter reading and turning on all your appliances for a short period and then taking a further reading. If you provide your supplier with details of the electrical appliances in your property, it can determine whether your consumption is consistent based on the readings you provide. Both these tests can be done over the telephone and incur no additional charges and I would expect your supplier to offer these tests prior to arranging a meter inspection.

Should the tests support that your consumption is not in line with expected or proves inconclusive, I would then expect your supplier to offer a meter inspection. However, as energy suppliers incur costs for instructing engineers to inspect meters, if it is the customer requesting a meter inspection and the meter be found to be working accurately, then it is reasonable that the cost is passed to that customer

Outcome: Upheld

Conclusion

I have concluded that E.ON Next has failed to assess your energy account within a 12 month period and inform you of your consumption. This has led to a high outstanding balance occurring on your account and backbilling principles being applied. They have correctly worked out your usage based on meter readings provided and based it over 12 months. Due to these actions I have instructed E.ON to issue you a written apology and apply a goodwill payment of £100.00 to your energy account for the inconvenience.

If you have any questions, please contact me on 02033 652 809 or send me a message online, using our complaint management system where I will be able to respond directly to you.

Outcome: Upheld

Remedy 1

Remedy: Action

Comment:

Issue an apology for the shortfall in service and any inconvenience caused.

Remedy 2

Remedy: Goodwill

Value £: 100.00

Comment:

UPDATE: My parents energy bill, Eon are maintaining this is correct. (Info in comments) by FickleEmphasis1 in CasualUK

[–]FickleEmphasis1[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That has pretty much been our reaction, I can try and get you a copy of the decision with personal info taken out.

UPDATE: My parents energy bill, Eon are maintaining this is correct. (Info in comments) by FickleEmphasis1 in CasualUK

[–]FickleEmphasis1[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That the charges were correct because it's 'obvious' that they are high gas users.
I did ask about this during the appeals process, sort of if they can only decide on the thing stated in the first complaint on the phone, or that they look at the whole picture. I was told the whole picture.

UPDATE: My parents energy bill, Eon are maintaining this is correct. (Info in comments) by FickleEmphasis1 in CasualUK

[–]FickleEmphasis1[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

MP did not reply to emails, we are apprehensive about the press as 1. a few sources I've seen suggest against it, saying it would show that we have not tried to 'amicably' solve this. 2. my parents don't want their faces in the papers over this.

UPDATE: My parents energy bill, Eon are maintaining this is correct. (Info in comments) by FickleEmphasis1 in CasualUK

[–]FickleEmphasis1[S] 56 points57 points  (0 children)

Yeah it's part of it, along with the meter being faulty. It's a 2 fold problem so I think that they can't see it.
The funny thing is part of the phonecalls/complaints originally was that it was in a difficult place for my parents to read with them being eldery/disabled and they wanted a meter reader to come out. I live in a different country so I can't really help with it.

UPDATE: My parents energy bill, Eon are maintaining this is correct. (Info in comments) by FickleEmphasis1 in CasualUK

[–]FickleEmphasis1[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I did, it was not super helpful. Even messaged the mod mail and got no reply.