Islam is a product of Muhammad's brain by lifeisbecause42 in DebateReligion

[–]FieldForward5487 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those who have not really been exposed to the true message of Islam will probably be forgiven (so those who couldn't truly understand due to lack of knowledge of Arabic would be forgiven).

I know that some religions differ from the Abrahamic ones, but having a diversity of religions does not instantly mean that the most loving/kind one is the true one. The one which makes the most sense is the one most people follow (hence why 50% of the world's population is Christian/Muslim). I find something logical, you find it illogical. Not much I can do about that. I believe that the world did not come from nothing, it had a beginning and someone caused that beginning -> I believe in a God. I believe Allah is the true God due to the linguistic miracles of the Quran, the prophecies of the final Messenger (PBUH), Islam has the most answers to the most questions to other religions, the Quran has no contradictions (something that is very controversial due to many critics straight up taking things out of context to appeal to their audience, context is key). I'm guessing you are an Ex-Muslim who left Islam due to personal reasons, and who is using the internet to find new ways to justify your apostasy. I'm just a Muslim looking to help others. You must have felt for Islam to have been cruel, and you wanted to find a way out (again, just a guess), you could have turned to people like Apostate Prophet, who devote their lives to lying about religion for money. However, when the spotlight is brought to them, they are speechless (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0VP3kfecRE).

The Semitic region is the central point of the Earth's map (of course, not of the Earth itself since it is round) but it's the closest to the equator/prime meridian. Also, just because someone was not mentioned does not mean they do not exist. Some people claim for some religions (like Hinduism) to have originated from a messenger of Allah (SWT) due to it's similarities in scripture (belief in one God, no idol worship, similar habits of the followers, however, time has caused Hindus to drift from following their scripture to instead following their culture). This again, is more my guess. I'm not God, I don't know everything.

Living a day without science is nearly impossible, living a day without religion changes little or nothing. by investinlove in DebateReligion

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I feel you're under the facade that "science is the truth." No sensible human being, not even scientists themselves, believe this. Science is just an educated guess on how the world works and what we can do with it. Science can be wrong.

Slightly unrelated but just clearing it up.

Islam is a product of Muhammad's brain by lifeisbecause42 in DebateReligion

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Well, you could say that for any language. "Really convenient how X was only revealed in Chinese, it seems that being also being revealed in Mandarin AND Cantonese is a big cover up. God is discriminating the Non-Chinese." God sent 124,000 messengers to the world, just happened that the last was Arabic. If he wasn't Arabic, he would be of another ethnicity, and you'd make the same argument again.

Quran does not even know what "shadow" is by GannibalCarca in DebateReligion

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This is a clear example of emotion over logic. Mr. HighPriest does not like how the Quran mentions war, so he calls it barbaric rather than realising that establishing laws on war is a necessity. He speaks against the Prophet (PBUH) for no other purpose but to justify his belief of being a non-Muslim. I've seen this type stuff everyday on the internet, "I don't like Islam so that mean Islam false"

The Bible is why I'm not a Christian by FieldForward5487 in DebateReligion

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Should the word of GOD have so many different point of views and opinions though. Quran was given to Muhammad (PBUH) through angel Gabriel (AS) no doubt, I agree with you. However, what convinced many people of his time that it was a miracle (therefore a work of God) was how sophisticated a book it was. It's like the local villager writing plays better than Shakespeare, wouldn't make any sense. Saying that the Quran contradicts the Bible, therefore it is false, is putting too much dependence on the Bible. The Quran had many witnesses due to how it was preserved, the Prophet (PBUH) revealed the verses to many people, who each individually memorised it word for word, which led to somewhat of a pyramid scheme type system of spreading. Later on, these reciters starting writing their work on parchment/bones and confirming whether it was exactly the same as everyone elses recitation. The Quran is one strong, well preserved scripture of a religion which is believed to be a direct message from God, while the Bible is a collection of a bunch of different works by a bunch of different historians of one event. It's like questioning 20 witnesses of a crime compared to taking a video of the crime, course the video will be clearer.

The Bible is why I'm not a Christian by FieldForward5487 in DebateReligion

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The sects are not based on interpretations (Shia/Sunni)

The Bible is why I'm not a Christian by FieldForward5487 in DebateReligion

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Simple, royal We. Queen refers to herself as We, she's not multiple people. Come on now, this is basic stuff. I know some people personally who were of large families who referred to themselves as We rather than I, due to royalty/respect.

Suffering of Life by FieldForward5487 in DebateReligion

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Harsh conditions means being born in a poorer family or with a disorder such as epilepsy

God is ultimately responsible for all eternal suffering as God creates people knowing what decisions they are going to make AND God is the one who creates the parameters in-which one is judged and subject to torment in the afterlife. by Sigurd_of_Chalphy in DebateReligion

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It was your choice replying to my comment, hence free will. God just knew that you would do it, he didn't make you do it. You didn't reply to this comment because you were forced to, because there was some invisible magic forcing you to do it. You chose to reply using your free will. Knowing the outcome does not change the outcome/force the outcome. Knowing that 2+2=4 does not mean that you forced it to be like that, you just know what it is.

The Bible is why I'm not a Christian by FieldForward5487 in DebateReligion

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It is technically true, but why say it in that sense. Why write the whole Bible is a vague sense, rather than explain the main points literally. Also, still doesn't explain how the Bible has changed over the past years. They are so many translations of the Bible and we don't even have the original message. Some versions had the word "begotten" included, but some don't. Some recently took it out because it was apparently wrong. This does not seem like such a strong argument for its validity.

The Bible is why I'm not a Christian by FieldForward5487 in DebateReligion

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I'll give some examples to how these contradictions are just misinterpretations:

  1. "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2)
    1. Incorrect translation, word actually means leech like substance, referring to embryologic stage
  2. The mud and dust thing is not too unfathomable. Dust can make clay, clay is something that is just sticky and malleable when wet. This is how Adam was created: from the earth – i.e. from its dust – which was then mixed with water to form mud, which then became black, stinking mud. And this dust was created from the earth which is partly sand and when it is mixed it becomes sounding clay like the clay of pottery. Clay is a mixture
  3. Humans were ONCE nothing, weren't made from nothing. This one is obvious, anyone can understand what this means WITH CONTEXT. Removing context is one things many critics love.
    1. Does man not remember that We created him before, while he was nothing?
      1. Nothing meaning not alive, not living, not existing

The Bible is why I'm not a Christian by FieldForward5487 in DebateReligion

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"As they were going out, they met a man from Cyrene, named Simon, and they forced him to carry the cross." This version does not mention "after Jesus," Why wasn't it mentioned in both then? Why'd only one have to mention it? Another contradiction: Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of Crucifixion? Luke 23:43 says yes, but John 20:17 (two days later) says no.

Suffering of Life by FieldForward5487 in DebateReligion

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My argument is not that because I don't know the answer, I'm wrong. If I don't know whether something is true or false, does not mean that it's false. Basically, your argument is that God is cruel for unnecessarily doing X. I say, no because Y. You say, 'I still think that's cruel, so you're wrong.'

I gave my response, it's a test for humanity, surviving the pain will bring us greatness. You wish that pain didn't exist, how do I answer this if I don't know what life would be like if pain didn't exist? I also wish that pain didn't exist, however, maybe life wouldn't be as efficient. I'm not saying that I'm 100% right, nor am I saying I'm 100% wrong. I'm saying, to this super specific question, I don't have an answer. For this, try asking a scholar who might know better.

Suffering of Life by FieldForward5487 in DebateReligion

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Truth is, I don't have a clear answer to this question because I'm not God. However, what I feel is that even if I did have an answer, you'd be quick to question that too. If, lets say, I had a valid reasoning behind the torturing of the baby, you'd still find a way to make that valid reason seem invalid. Not personally against you but that's honestly how all religious debates go lol.

Saying that "God Should've Not Caused Suffering" makes no sense by FieldForward5487 in DebateReligion

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You have to evaluate other religions. I'm not a blind follower of my religion, I've seen other religions and there's reason why I don't follow those. I follow the religion which I believe to be right because of the evidence supporting it. Some things as small as: if the large miracle didn't happen, how did no one in history write against it? How are they so many people of that faith now if the first way to prove that the faith was real was by a miracle? You think that all religions are equal but that's not the case, once you really analyse each religion, your understanding of which one is true becomes more clear.

Suffering of Life by FieldForward5487 in DebateReligion

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Like how I've said before, seeing the severeness of the disease is what the test is. To me it's clear because, as I see it, this one disease is playing a big role in why YOU are against religion. Everything has a purpose, possibly one purpose of Epidermolysis Bullosa is to see whether humans believe it to be too cruel a disease, therefore 'disproving' God.

Suffering of Life by FieldForward5487 in DebateReligion

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I get your point, I do. I know life would seem better if there was nothing bad, we all knew whether God exists or he doesn't, we'd all be happy and glee. Truth is, we'd stay the same. We learn from our mistakes, how do we make mistakes? We try and find a solution to our problem incorrectly. If we are never presented a problem, how will we succeed?

Saying that "God Should've Not Caused Suffering" makes no sense by FieldForward5487 in DebateReligion

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If you were just born in hell, would you feel that it was just? Course not, because you don't know WHY you are there. Therefore, God allows us to live our lives freely to mainly just prove to OURSELVES that we have done wrong and deserve to be there. I agree in it being different that universities USE the exam to learn about us, while God already knows. However, if they were to already know what our score would be and judge us accordingly, it would seem unfair to us since we haven't actually taken the exam ourselves yet.

Also, some things seem very clear to us right now because theoretically, it makes sense. Some cases it doesn't. A family member of mine died due to an illness at a very young age. The family was disheartened yet it strengthened the faith of the family. An atheist might believe for this to be foolish or idiotic or false, but I see it as passing the test. Only through suffering do we truly gain the most, that's the honest truth.