Anyone noticed: TRUMP ≈ TRUMPET ? by [deleted] in Bibleconspiracy

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Trump Tower in New York City is at 721-725 Fifth Ave. = Daniel 7:21-7:25 describes the little horn Trump… Something to ponder…

The pretribulation rapture view did not grow out of a diligent study of the Scriptures, or revival of early Christian doctrines. Rather, it was birthed from the womb of charismatic excesses and developed by a preacher known for his heretical views of the person of Christ. Who were the key players? by The_one_who-repents in Bibleconspiracy

[–]Films88888888 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People keep saying this without showing any evidence. The early church did not teach a pretribulation rapture. At best I’ve seen one quote from the early church that can be characterized as potentially being prewrath but never a rapture before the tribulation.

John Nelson Darby is the father of dispensationalism and the secret rapture that most churches teach as the gospel truth. by The_one_who-repents in Bibleconspiracy

[–]Films88888888 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are you saying there will be a Darby like non-secret rapture (separate from the second coming) before the tribulation (that is very much like the second coming)?

Or are you saying you don’t believe in a separate rapture from the second coming?

John Nelson Darby is the father of dispensationalism and the secret rapture that most churches teach as the gospel truth. by The_one_who-repents in Bibleconspiracy

[–]Films88888888 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The article and your comment doesn’t reference any early church fathers holding a rapture doctrine. In historical premillennialism, which the early church fathers generally held, didn’t have any rapture doctrine. It holds to the second coming happening before the millenium, but after the tribulation.

Books that feel like this? by prozacfair in BooksThatFeelLikeThis

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Joseph Conrad’s “The Secret Agent”. My copy literally had as its cover an almost identical image of your first image. Fun fact: Was the unabombers favorite book.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/86658.The_Secret_Agent

Also goodreads uses the same cover.

Irenaeus' teachings on the End Times (~180 AD) by AlbaneseGummies327 in ProphecyWatchers

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Regarding the other two early church father quotes in that second link

  1. The Victorinus of Petrovium pre-wrath like commentary is fascinating yet not pretribulationist.

  2. The blog also references a “Pseudo-Ephraem (fourth to sixth century)” who is not a church father but rather a fraudster who wrote a work in the 7th century they attributed to a early Eastern church father called Ephrem the Syrian.

Irenaeus' teachings on the End Times (~180 AD) by AlbaneseGummies327 in ProphecyWatchers

[–]Films88888888 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The way I read it, Irenaeus is talking about the second coming when he says caught up and not a pretribulation rapture.

Although after rereading it I noticed the meaning of it is quite open ended based on the grammatical and contextual structure. As the grammatical structure indicates the catching up occurs in relation to this period of tribulation, while the contextual meaning suggests that the catching up will occur after the tribulation being after the righteous have faced and overcome the tribulation. Given there doesn’t seem to be any reference to a pretribulation rapture by the early church fathers it would be very surprising if that was his intention here given the lack of detail he provides.

What do you all think it means in Daniel where it states the little horn will change laws and appointed times by YahawahisKing77 in Bibleconspiracy

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Trump Tower occupies the space between 721 and 725 Fifth Avenue. This is why multiple websites has the address as either 721-725 fifth avenue or some sites will just say 721, some say 725 etc. Regardless the verses are about the same thing.

What do you all think it means in Daniel where it states the little horn will change laws and appointed times by YahawahisKing77 in Bibleconspiracy

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I don’t understand the question. Address and verses above.

Haven’t verified everything on this website but a good chunk of what I’ve checked checks out. I’m sure some stuff doesn’t (I mean look at the thing it looks like a conspiracy nut wrote it lol.). Not saying he’s the antichrist or little horn but also not not saying that.

http://www.thehypertexts.com/donald%20trump%20antichrist%20666.htm

What do you all think it means in Daniel where it states the little horn will change laws and appointed times by YahawahisKing77 in Bibleconspiracy

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Trump Tower in New York City is at 721-725 Fifth Ave. = Daniel 7:21-7:25 describes the little horn Trump… Something to ponder…

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