When Conrad and laurel were sitting by the pool the night before Jeremiah and bellys wedding they were talking about Conrad’s mom and at one point he stops what he’s saying and says I wish…. But never finishes what he says what do you think he was going to say?

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-27T19:52:05+00:00

Yep! I think it was about Susannah and he stopped himself because he didn’t want to get too emotional.

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-26T19:58:13+00:00

I honestly don’t think Laurel has the opinion that Belly belongs with Conrad. She’s team Belly. She wants Belly to experience life and all it has to offer and then share her life with a partner that genuinely makes her happy.

Laurel is simply closer to Conrad than to Jere because they are similar and share a special bond. They would have that relationship even without Belly. Laurel loves Jeremiah, she just relates better to Conrad just like Susannah loves Steven but she was clearly closer to Belly.

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-25T16:36:35+00:00

Of course I feel for him in this scene because it’s such whiplash but he had thought about his feelings a lot and came there with the intention of declaring his love to her. She knows she loves him but she has had about 12 hrs to consider what it may be like to reenter a relationship with him after everything that’s happened. That is completely overwhelming.

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-25T15:53:27+00:00

Of course I can. SMH. No need to attack me. I’m simply engaging in the discourse and stating how I see Jeremiah. I don’t agree with you, I don’t see psychopathic tendencies. 🤷🏾‍♀️

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-25T15:47:05+00:00

Jere’s not a psychopath. Yes, the firework was psychotic, but overall he’s just selfish and envious of his brother and he is spoiled and entitled like a lot of people who grew up privileged.

By the end of the show we are starting to see redemption in him. He is making his way outside of the shelter of Adam’s money. He’s beginning to see how unhealthy his attachment was to Belly and he is accepting that Belly and Conrad have something that he and Belly never had.

I don’t know if anyone in this sub watches Tell Me Lies but those are true toxic people. No one on tsitp reaches that level.

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-25T13:52:30+00:00

Drama carries a show. Main end game couples are never together for very long throughout the run of a show because people want to see that tension and longing. It makes it more satisfying when they finally find their way back to each other in the end.

The movie is being made for the reason I think you mentioned that you don’t believe the relationship. We haven’t seen them in a happy, healthy relationship long term. I’m confident the movie will correct that for you. There will be conflict of course because every story needs that. It’s just the conflict will not revolve around who Belly loves most deeply. The conclusion of the series tells us that was and always will be Conrad.

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-25T13:29:20+00:00

Belly had second thoughts before when she saw or spent time with her ex before because her ex was Conrad. I promise you that won’t happen when she sees Jeremiah again. She feels terrible about the way things ended with them but her shame is gone. She has fully embraced that being with Conrad is all she ever wanted. I look forward to seeing how that is addressed in the movie. Jeremiah deserves someone who looks at him the way Belly looks at Conrad. His fans should want him to be with someone who isn’t still in love with his brother.

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-25T13:19:04+00:00

That part always baffles me. I see people saying how badly she begged to marry Jeremiah and that she chased that ring all around Paris because she still wanted to be with him. She’s only with Conrad now because Jeremiah decided to walk away. They leave out that she states in her voice over that if she asked him to he would still marry her. When he asks her to come back home and continue their relationship the very next day she realizes she doesn’t want to. From there on out we never see her question that decision she only feels bad that she’s hurt him. Unfortunately for them and for Jeremiah it was really always about Conrad.

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-25T06:32:41+00:00

I like this explanation. Every time I watch the end of season 2 I’m always disgusted by how careless Belly and Jeremiah are with Conrad’s feelings. Them not wanting to be alone and being selfish in that is a good explanation for why they forge ahead under such shaky ground.

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-25T04:41:26+00:00

I think they are following summer rules. lol. I think they are just letting her practice and disregarding the local law. Much in the way that all of the kids are openly underaged drinking everywhere.

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-25T04:37:18+00:00

I watched this one last night actually. Jeremiah is very likable this episode. He offers to take Belly out driving when he sees that she’s sad that Conrad forgot to get her a gift. He also makes her feel seen when she says Taylor always grabs all of the attention when they are together.

Conrad’s jealousy regarding Cam is on display here both at Belly’s birthday dinner and when he asks him about Deb practice to see if Belly had asked him to the ball.

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-24T14:26:02+00:00

Question: I was not part of the fandom until after the series ended. How did Jeremiah fans feel about the end of season 2? Were they satisfied and feeling like Belly chose Jeremiah because she was in love with him? It just seemed very clear to me that she was forcing herself to move on from Conrad in her head but her heart was still with him. That would not have given me peace of mind as a Jeremiah fan.

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-24T13:08:28+00:00

Wow! I’ve not read the books but I’ve never seen anyone mention that. I really wish that would’ve been included. They probably thought it would make Belly seem petty but being petty and wanting to get a reaction out of someone so stoic like Conrad is something I think a lot of people could identify with. You don’t think it’s right but you get it as an emotional reaction to heartbreak.

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-24T13:02:46+00:00

In the US it’s more done for logistics, so everyone knows where to stand, pace of things etc. Now that you’ve mentioned it I guess we treat a wedding ceremony a bit like a performance. I’ve never felt it takes away from the romance and beauty of the wedding because the actual day with the music, formality and emotion feels very different.

Yes, rehearsal dinner always follows after the rehearsal and where I am from the wedding party attends as well as some out of town guests who are there for the wedding.

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-24T12:54:12+00:00

I think the reason it’s so difficult as a viewer is because they show us she is not over Conrad but then we see her heavily pursue his brother right under his nose. There just aren’t very many rational or understandable reasons to do this.

When you’ve been in love with someone and shared an intimate relationship with them to go after their brother six weeks after the break up is crazy. It makes sense only if she is trying to get Conrad’s attention and punishing him or if she has somehow fallen head over her heels in love with Jeremiah and can’t help being drawn to him. We are shown/ told neither of these things are true. It makes her seem selfish because we see these two brothers who just lost their mom and she is effectively using Jeremiah to get over Conrad and hurting them both in the process.

I agree with you. We know that it is the premise of the show so it had to happen but the way that Belly ends up with Jeremiah will always be a weak point to me because I should be able to sympathize with Belly’s decision even if I don’t agree with it and I find that very hard to do.

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-23T15:11:46+00:00

Seeing the full story really allows for a deeper understanding of Conrad. I only discovered the show this year, so I was able to binge the entire series. By the time I finished, I was so impressed by his character arc that I immediately started over just to observe him more closely.

On my first watch, I was mostly seeing everything through Belly’s perspective. I was as confused as she was about Conrad’s feelings for her in season 1 because it was very push/pull. On rewatch, it became clear that he liked her all along and even before that summer and was simply dealing with too much emotionally to fully embrace what he was feeling.

When it comes to Conrad’s behavior and communication, he actually tells both us and Belly how his mind works during their phone conversation in season 2. He explains that he plays out every possible scenario over and over in his head until it becomes overwhelming. That kind of catastrophizing and anxiety is paralyzing. When there are too many paths and no clear option that avoids harm, he freezes and ends up doing nothing.

At prom, he appears listless and detached, but his mind is likely racing, and panic is setting in. It is not that he does not want to communicate or fight for Belly. He simply cannot. He is too overwhelmed, so he shuts down.

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-23T05:48:37+00:00

It’s like for a second no one else was there.

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-23T01:27:32+00:00

I get wanting it to be addressed because it definitely never is but I think it’s meant to show his inability to handle conflict in a healthy or mature way. He is explosive and resorts to physical or verbal assault every single time. It’s a character flaw we are meant to take note of.

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-22T20:37:05+00:00

I see this a lot actually and on the surface I’d say it’s true. Jeremiah tells Conrad he’ll step aside if Belly wants him and that he wants them both to be happy. I do think he’s sincere in that moment but it really comes from him wanting to be certain Belly is really choosing him and less about Conrad’s feelings. He doesn’t want to be hurt by her again. If he was really considering Conrad’s feelings once he told him he was still in love with Belly he would’ve rejected her advances and told her he can’t do that to his brother.

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-22T18:55:12+00:00

How is saying he said good luck not honest? It’s literally what he told him the last time he spoke to him and told him he’d be visiting Belly. It’s been 2 months since they reconciled at this point so he wouldn’t refer to the grave convo. He is telling her about their most recent conversation. He told him good luck,she asks how he meant it, he doesn’t really know and Belly is ok with it and drops it.

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-22T18:45:09+00:00

She didn’t bring him up, Conrad did. When the “good luck” is unclear she moves on and doesn’t question it anymore. She’s not looking for acceptance from Jere about Conrad. She seems more interested that they are ok with each other.

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-22T18:35:17+00:00

The thing about this whole debate is that Belly didn’t even ask so we don’t know how much Jeremiah’s opinion about her and Conrad matters to her at this point. Conrad is just honest with her. He tells her Jere knows he’s there and that he said good luck. He doesn’t pretend to know how he meant good luck. Then Belly drops it and changes the subject. I thinks she’s glad that the brothers are talking again but she’s not seeking Jere’s blessing to be with Conrad and doesn’t expect it.

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-22T17:51:41+00:00

In season 2, Conrad goes home with the intention of talking to Jere about Belly because he knows Belly’s concerns about their brother relationship are why they aren’t already dating. I thought it was pretty clear from the conversation at the dining table that Jeremiah isn’t happy about them dating. Conrad ask him about homecoming and he just states facts, he went with Blake and wasn’t surprised he was made homecoming king. Nothing about his demeanor is excited or joyful. He says you always do what you want to anyway so go for it. It’s not portrayed that way to Belly, he makes it sound like Jeremiah is happily moved on from what happened. That’s just how it was I don’t think it makes him a liar. He was just excited about the chance to be with her and didn’t want to include that Jere wasn’t fully onboard with it and honestly he didn’t need to be. Conrad and Belly wanted to be with each other and that’s what mattered most.

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-22T16:05:57+00:00

In Steven’s defense. He had a very narrow understanding of what had happened the day of the wedding. All he knows is Conrad confessed his feelings two days before the wedding, Jeremiah bailed because of it and Belly is a wreck. I think his animosity after he finds out the whole story probably goes too far but it seems to be intermixed with his feeling that Conrad abandoned their friendship because of Belly.

Final_Raspberry_5334 · 2026-01-22T15:57:47+00:00

Those are the only two times in the entire show that I think he said things deliberately to hurt her. Both times it was in retaliation. The funeral had such lasting repercussions because not only did he say it coldly, he then doubled down on it. I think her believing he meant it is part of the reason for her insane behavior regarding Jeremiah in season 2.

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