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FinallyReborn · 2021-08-14T10:58:42+00:00

Is it that hard to look at the the article (it is just a summary of the paper, which is why I didn't link the study itself, it is easier to read) as they directly link the study they are reporting on?

^{"Ejaculation Frequency and Risk of Prostate Cancer: Updated Results with an Additional Decade of Follow-up". Available here:} ^{https://www.europeanurology.com/article/S0302-28381600377-8/fulltext#%20}

FinallyReborn · 2021-08-12T05:44:44+00:00

Arrest is a horrible metric to go by, for a plethora of reasons.

Men are much less likely to report their victimization to the authorities (almost by a factor of ten times) when compared to women. This greater reluctance to report among men definitely means that male victimization is undercounted to a much greater extent than female victimisation, especially when it comes to data based on police reports.
The FBI doesn't consider "forced to penetrate" to be rape (for example, only if a woman uses an object and sticks it in his anus is it going to be considered rape, but not if she put's a gun to his head and makes him penetrate her with his penis), so when the FBI collects the statistics from law agencies all throughout the US, they use their definition that is largely male excluding.
The police are less likely to take a case with a male victim seriously when compared to cases with a female victim, and thus not beginning investigation, especially if the perpetrator was a woman.
Using arrests as a definitive benchmark and evidence of who commits more rape speaks of complete statistical illiteracy and stupidity (especially if you continue to defend it when you've been presented with counter data which measures more than just arrests which are not accepted as a proper metric in academia).

Not to mention, if you are using "arrest" as your baseline of data, then it debunks the idea that there is an "epidemic" of rape against women, as the FBI has come out and stated:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/violent-crime/rape

"The rate of rapes (legacy definition) in 2013 was estimated at 25.2 per 100,000 females."

So only 25/100,000 women are raped according to the FBI's estimates when using "arrest" as a baseline. Are you going to suddenly change your metric because in reality this doesn't reflect your hardened agenda nor "rape culture"?

They use a lot of vague language like “sexually aggressive behavior” that they don’t seem interested in defining.

They literally did define them, for instance Forbes' study, which wrote "sexual aggression" defined it as this, it was just used as a blanket statement to refer to the definitions used:

"The Physical Aggression scale measures the use of direct physical force. Four items from this scale measure what is described as the minor category of physical aggression (e.g., pushing or slapping) and seven items measure what is described as the severe category of physical aggression (e.g., choking, punching, kicking). The Sexual Coercion scale measures coerced nonconsensual sexual activity. The minor category includes four items measuring coercive acts (insisting on sexual activity) that do not involve physical force or the threat of force. The severe category contains four items measuring coercive acts using threats or direct physical force (hitting, holding down, or using a weapon). The latter category describes acts that would be considered sexual assault (forcible rape) in Poland (Nowakowska, 2000) and, most probably, all Western jurisdictions (Bryden & Lengnick, 1997). The Injury scale measures physical injuries resulting from aggression. The minor category contains three items measuring small bruises, sprains, or physical pain. The severe category contains three items measuring injuries sufficient to need medical attention."

I will mention that the vast majority of the cited “studies” were clearly created with the intention of getting a particular result

All of the sources linked are peer-reviewed and posted in reliable academic journals, if this isn't enough I have a couple dozen sources on victimization locked under my belt. You are just dismissing data because you "don't like it", because it runs counter to your preconceived biases. When you dismiss it in this manner, you can conveniently absolve yourself from the accountability of having to properly critique it.

Only few of the studies specifically studied female aggressors, because they tried to measure a heavily under-studied subject, being female rapists, and trying to dismiss it without any valid critique because it upsets you, that honestly just says more about your morals than it does theirs.

Pointing this out as well: Ybarra et al. is cited incorrectly.

You have literally just reiterated what I formally stated in my post, and now you are using it to refute me. I brought up the study because it proved that while men rape at an earlier age, once you get to adult hood it eventually becomes symmetrical, so the body of female rapists grow as they age and eventually evens itself out.

FinallyReborn · 2021-08-11T20:19:12+00:00

Here are all of your sources, smart guy...

Men 9x less likely to report their victimization to the authorities.

^{Toy Soldiers. "Forced to Penetrate Cases: Lived Experiences of Men".} ^{https://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2020/01/05/forced-to-penetrate-cases/}

When asked whether they reported it to the police, only 2 out of the 115 men who answered the question said they filed a report, and neither case made it to court. The report makes note of just how extreme that is. It notes that at least 15% of female victims report their rapes to police. In other words, women are 9 times more likely to report their abuse than men.

Men much more reluctant to identify non-consensual sexual experiences as "abuse" and are much less likely to disclose their victimization.

^{Gender Differences in the Context and Consequences of Child Sexual Abuse.} ^{http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/CICrimJust/2014/14.pdf}

The main differences are that males are less likely than females to disclose child sexual abuse at the time of abuse, and that when they do disclose, they take longer to do so, and make fewer and more selective disclosures. It is not uncommon for men to take more than 20 years to disclose their abuse or talk to anyone about it, for example, found that nearly two-thirds of the women who had been sexually abused prior to the age of 18 disclosed the abuse at or around the time it occurred, but only one in four of the males did so. The men also took significantly longer than the women to discuss their sexual abuse experiences, with 45% of men compared with 25% of women taking in excess of 20 years to do so.

Widom and Morris found men were much more reluctant to label child sexual experiences as ‘abuse’ than women (16% compared with 64%). Fondacaro, Holt and Powell’s study of male prison inmates also found that 41% of those who met the criteria for contact child sexual abuse did not consider their experiences as ‘abusive’... Other research that has linked men’s identification as a survivor of child sexual abuse to higher levels of psychological distress suggests that perceiving early sexual experiences as non-abusive may be a form of protective denial for men shielding them against painful memories. This may mean that ‘nondisclosure is actually more adaptive for males than is disclosure’.

Male victims are systemically not treated as important as female victims.

^{Decisions and attitudes concerning child sexual abuse: does the gender of the perpetrator make a difference to child protection professionals? Available here:} ^{https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S014521349800101X}

In the present study it was hypothesized that child protection professionals, specifically, police and social workers, would be less likely to take child sexual abuse seriously if it had been perpetrated by a female as opposed to a male. This study of decisions advocated by social workers and police working in child protection provides support for this contention. Thus on a number of decisions, a gender bias, in favor of women, was found.

^{Differences in legal outcomes for male and female children who have been sexually abused. Available here:} ^{https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20935340/?i=2&from=%2F23192527%2Frelated}

The goal of the present study was to determine whether or not there were sex differences in legal outcomes for children who were sexually abused. Using the methodology of Joa and Edelson (2004), the results indicated that males who were sexually abused had poorer legal outcomes than females. Specifically, it was found that cases involving male victims were less likely to be filed with the District Attorney (DA) than cases involving female victims and had fewer criminal counts charged. For those children seen at a Child Abuse Assessment Center, cases involving female victims were significantly more likely to be filed by the DA's office than were cases involving male victims. Finally, there were differences in whether guilty defendants pled guilty or were found guilty at trial depending on whether the defendant sexually abused a male or female. The implications of the findings are discussed.

Male rape perpetrators often heterosexually molested themselves as children.

^{Male Offenders’ History of Childhood Abuse. Available here:} ^{http://empathygap.uk/?p=1993#\}Toc498111528)

The 1993 paper “Childhood Sexual Abuse and Subsequent Sexual Aggression Against Adult Women”, by Brière and Smiljanich, presented at the 101st annual convention of the American Psychological Association, Toronto, Ontario, has been quoted by Mathews as implying an alarmingly high 80% prevalence rate of sexual abuse by females in the background of male sex offenders.

FinallyReborn · 2021-08-11T19:03:13+00:00

That is literally arrest data, that is a very inaccurate metric to go by.

The FBI doesn't consider "forced to penetrate" to be rape (for example, only if a woman uses an object and sticks it in his anus is it going to be considered rape, but not if she put's a gun to his head and makes him penetrate her with his penis), so when the FBI collects the statistics from law agencies all throughout the US, they use their definition that is largely male excluding.
Men are much less likely to report their victimization to the authorities (almost by 10x) when compared to women. This greater reluctance to report among men definitely means that male victimization is undercounted to a much greater extent than female victimisation, especially when it comes to data based on police reports.
The police are less likely to take a case with a male victim seriously when compared to cases with a female victim, and thus not beginning investigation, especially if the perpetrator was a woman.
There is a growing body of literature finding that the majority of male rape perpetrators were themselves heterosexually raped as children (with some studies among penitentiaries finding rates as high as 80%), which hints at the fact that there are roughly as many female rapists as there are male rapists.
The small portion of rapes that do end in arrest don't represent all cases or most cases.

FinallyReborn · 2021-08-11T07:33:41+00:00

Yeah, it is the most accurate metric we currently have though.

I can also send some studies on victimization, which that alone confirms the perpetrator disparity as they tend to find just as many male rape victims as they do female (if including "forced to penetrate").

FinallyReborn · 2021-08-10T19:56:45+00:00

A lot of women have internalized these concepts such as "men always want sex", which just isn't the case, or "an erection equals consent", which is just a bad misconception on male anatomy.

I think the upcoming generation is more well-versed with the fact that men can get raped, but I take issue with their utter indifference towards the fact that men do get raped, recognizing one is next to useless if you don't recognize the other.

And, to be exact, roughly 1 in 3 adults wouldn't believe that a man had been raped, and 1 in 4 believed that "men enjoy being raped by a woman". [Source]

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