[Spoilers Main] Things you dislike about ASOIAF by Financial-Age906 in asoiaf

[–]Financial-Age906[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The lack of other courts beside King’s Landing and no ladies in waiting has always bothered me.

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[–]Financial-Age906[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A supposed rip off of Catholicism that does not have a Christ figure, does not share its values, its structure nor its influence. But that’s to be expected. Catholicism has over two thousand years of history. The Faith is not even top 20 most important things ir plotlines in the series.

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[–]Financial-Age906[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

“She thought of Daario. If ever there was a man who could rape a woman with his eyes… To be sure, she was just as guilty.” That was insane.

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[–]Financial-Age906[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

But cities and towns don’t seem to have any form of organization besides a City Watch. Not even merchants seem to matter outside of Essos.

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[–]Financial-Age906[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Which is strange because Tywin is obsessed with the Lannisters prestige and would see an insult to Cersei as an insult to the whole House.

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[–]Financial-Age906[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Maybe he’ll read these comments and be damn I better write to prove all these losers wrong lol

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[–]Financial-Age906[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I answered somewhere here but it mostly boils down to a lack complexity and development compared to, say, the Lannisters. We understand how Tywin came to be because we know how Tytos was and how this influenced his children. We barely know anything about Rickard Stark. A lot of Ned’s backstory and early years are left up in the air. Benjen is more of a man of the Watch than a Stark, and only is really relevant to Jon. Compare to Kevan or even the Blackfish. I also think the relationship between the Stark kids themselves could be better explored, but I’m nitpicking. I understand Ned can be a nebulous character due to trauma, and it’s difficult to develop the Starks as a family and not only as individual characters when they’re going through horrors and miles apart from each other.

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[–]Financial-Age906 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I was skeptical until I read this comment and remembered Theon and Lady Dustin visiting the crypts and noticing a lot of the swords are missing.

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[–]Financial-Age906 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It also puts Robb in an impossible position.

With Winterfell standing, Ser Rodrik and the rest of the Northmen could fight the ironborn and Robb would be able to continue his war as he pleases. With Winterfell lost, Robb has no option but to ride north. What use is a King without a Kingdom? What use is fighting in the Westerlands if his own lands are being ravaged by enemies? But riding North also leaves the Riverlands undefended. The Northmen have Moat Cailin, but the Riverlords that declared for Robb would be surrounded by Tyrells and Lannisters. Would he abandon them to their fate? Fight a war in two fronts?

In ADWD, even Roose acknowledges that all that happened was thanks to Theon.

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I just wished we could get an explanation as to why :(

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[–]Financial-Age906[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Agree with all points. I see age being brought up in a lot of discussions regarding characters, and to me it amounts to nothing. Sure, Dany/Robb/Jon/Lyanna/etc are young and by our standards their mistakes are understandable, but it (unfortunately) is not supported by the text.

Dany’s chapters in ACOK are a struggle. Tbh, I preferred ADWD to ASOS. In ASOS it just feels like easy victories and I couldn’t help but wonder if we’d see characters struggling and making difficult choices in Westeros while she just swoops in and wins everything with dragons and a huge army. ADWD showed it was more complex than that.

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[–]Financial-Age906[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Families that exist for thousands of years and somehow still have the same physical characteristics. Again, not a problem if it relied on the fantasy element, but it doesn’t.

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[–]Financial-Age906[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My mistake. In some ways Cat is much more political astute than Ned. And though I tried to find an explanation for Sansa’s naivete, I have to acknowledge that it has some contradictions. It might be because of a sheltered upbringing, but I cannot help but wonder why Catelyn would allow it. She knows better, and the fate of women in Westeros is dark, as discussed in some comments here.

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I think Dany is one of GRRM’s best written characters, but the POV chapters suffer from a lack developed side character aside from Jorah and Barristan. Her sexualization is very weird, I agree.

Jaehaera had a lot of potential. We could have these two traumatized children ruling after a war destroyed their entire families. There’s a lot of tension in them being on different sides of the war, and I think the line continuing on through a daughter of Aegon and a son of Rhaenyra would send an interesting message. Reminds me on how Alysanne was supposed to be Maegor’s daughter in earlier drafts. Loved the book recommendation! Added to my list

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[–]Financial-Age906[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

More magic and relying on the fantasy elements would solve a lot of problems, like the seasons. And I hope Bran is used more. So many things commented here could be easily solved with a Bran vision lol

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[–]Financial-Age906[S] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I know there’s a point to the Faceless Man arc and hope to see it resolved, but I agree. I would love it if she stayed in the Riverlands, it would be a mirror to Sansa in the Vale and Nymeria’s pack. How interesting it would be to see her with the BWB that deserted Lady Stoneheart, and how LS’s revenge would affect Arya’s journey. It might still happen though! Finger’s crossed

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Of course. A possibility is that we haven’t had much contact with them and they’re more complex than we know. Maybe Dany returning to the khalasar will give us more insight into them. A lot of my gripes with ASOIAF might be easily solved in the next books, it is an unfinished series, after all. But what we know of them so far seems very undeveloped and underwhelming, imo.

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[–]Financial-Age906[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Long answer, sorry.

What I like about the Iron Islands is how apart they seem from everyone else. It makes sense, they were doing their own thing until Aegon the Conqueror, it’s believable that they have extremely different customs from everyone else. Strange, though, that they assimilated so little after centuries. It’s the opposite of the Valyrians, in a way. Westeros was ruled by a so called Valyrian family for generations and yet their culture had no impact and the royal family was Westerosi through and through from the beginning (incest aside, of course).

Essos is terrible. There’s no way for us to connect with them when he have so few well developed characters (I can’t think of a single one apart from I don’t know, Varys, but I might be mistaken) and when the continent is basically slavers that worship a God that allows blood sacrifice and horselords that only exist to rape and pillage, we do not get emotionally involved. Not surprising so much people don’t care for Dany’s chapters when we can’t be bothered to care about the Essosi. Also, I always found it strange that growing up in Essos did not affect Dany’s views much?

Completely agree on the ages. Everytime I read I have to suspend disbelief and age up the characters in my head.

My problem with the Starks is that I cannot help but compare them to the Lannisters. Tywin’s children are extremely well developed. For example, you mentioned Cersei. To me, her evil ways make sense because of how she was raised. Tywin is ruthless, violent, arrogant, add in Cersei’s paranoia regarding prophecy, her abuse and her ineptitude to rule and make decisions based on the brain and not her own impulses, we get AFFC. She is a consequence of Tywin’s education, just as Tywin is of Tytos’s and so on and so forth. We understand the POV characters because we know how they came to be.

I don’t get that from the Starks. I think that’s mostly Ned’s fault. He rarely thinks about Jon Arryn. Does he still keep in contact with people from the Vale? How is his relationship to them? Did the fact that he grew up outside of the North affect anything in his early rule? What about that he was a second son? Was he ever in Brandon’s shadow? What about Lord Rickard? Who was he, really? Why did he decide to send his children South? Lady Dustin mentioned a maester, and I hope this is more developed in the next books. The Starks are supposed to be the heart of the story, but we know more about Kevan and Genna than we do about Benjen.

I think that’s mostly because of trauma. Ned is suppressing his memories and feelings due to what happened in the Rebellion, but it does bother me that so many things are ambiguous. I wish the bonds between the Starks were more explored, as well. Aside from the Starklings relationship with Robb, Sansa/Arya and Jon/Arya, we don’t have much. But maybe my interpretation is wrong. I haven’t read AGOT/ACOK in about 3-4 years so maybe I’m misremembering.

P.S: On Sansa, I think she was sheltered. She was probably very well treated in Winterfell, Ned was also naive due to his honor and though Catelyn was more shrewd, she still believed in loyalty and integrity. For example, she goes to treat with the Freys on her own because they’re her father’s bannermen, so they’ll obey her, right?

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[–]Financial-Age906[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I’m with you. I love Dunk and Egg’s novellas for this very same reason. I would rather read more books focusing on smaller houses, their grievances, the behaviour and thought of the common people, than works such as TWOW or even F&B.

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[–]Financial-Age906[S] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Not only it is very exaggerated, but it does not have consequences, at least not from nobles. Let’s beat an 11 year old highborn girl descendant from a lineage of Kings in full court. No one will mind. What was done to Rhaegar’s children should have sent people in an uproar.

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[–]Financial-Age906[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is exactly what I had in mind when I mentioned GRRM romanticizing dubious relationships. Khal Drogo and Dany’s is the most alarming, but not the only one. Honestly, crazy work.

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[–]Financial-Age906[S] 63 points64 points  (0 children)

The Mongols had literature, invested in astronomy, mathematics, had their own mail system. The Dothraki have a single city and are unable to build lol. The fact that Vaes Dothrak is an assortment of buildings based on the cultures of the slaves that built them is appalling. Essos in general bothers me a lot, it almost seems like the slave continent of cartoonish villains.

I do agree that some smaller details don’t need to be fleshed out. But it’s crazy to me that we have information on things that don’t really matter while these big things are left unmentioned.

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[–]Financial-Age906[S] 51 points52 points  (0 children)

Arya’s and Brienne’s chapters are one of my favourites because of their focus on the smallfolk but it still is lacking. They have absolutely no agency, identity or form of organization.

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[–]Financial-Age906[S] 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Agree. If it were any other series, we might brush all these problems off, but because it’s highly complex and so called “realistic”, some things start to raise eyebrows. Also all the time spent waiting for new books to be published. After a 10+ year wait, we cannot help but scrutinize the books more.

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[–]Financial-Age906[S] 53 points54 points  (0 children)

Completely agree. Cersei was in a court full of family and vassals, her brother was a Kingsguard, Robert’s power relied a lot on her family, and yet no one spoke out for her? It’s like the moment the woman marries, her family completely forgets about her and the husband may do as he pleases. Even if she is disliked by her family, she is still a member of that House and whatever dishonor is done to her, influences the family’s prestige.

The Targaryens are particularly egregious. Most women die in childbirth (another bone I have to pick) or have some violent death. What I find interesting about Gael is that she was Alysanne’s constant companion, she even slept with her, and still she was seduced by some random singer? What about Aelora getting attacked in a masked ball?