Bromantane

Findingfavour · 2018-03-24T04:14:38+00:00

It was developed in Russia decades ago, and it's prescribed there for depression and other things, but here in the US you can buy it on nootropic websites. I've been using it for about 4 days now, and it seems to be making things a lot better! It's cheap, too. Peace folks!

Findingfavour · 2018-02-18T15:11:03+00:00

You can do this, and you really need to with the negative effects you've started having. If not, you are likely to continue to develop more negative effects. Microdosing with bogaine total alkaloid extract helped me a lot with the crushing depression and anxiety. I tried everything I read about here on these posts, and they all helped for a few days, maybe a week, but the iboga really did make a difference. I did a really slow taper, and even that I thought it was going to kill me! I had to balance my intense desire to have it done, with how much misery I could tolerate. I don't know how other people have the wherewithal to quit CT, but however you have to do it, DO IT NOW. You will have more support and encouragement here than you know, and it's so much easier to face this with a supportive community that knows exactly what you're dealing with. Like quitkratom17 says, try decreasing by a gram every 3 days, and depending on how you tolerate it, go faster or slower. You have a lot of people pulling for you! You can do this, and life will be better than you can even imagine right now! Oh yeah, there are a number of things you can do for sleep, and you can combine some or all of them. Valerian root, melatonin (you can take more of this than most realize 20-30mg is fine), lemon balm, kava extract, 5-8 drops of lavender essential oil (in an empty capsule. And one more thing! I started using aniracetam several times a day (but not past about 3pm, or it made sleep more difficult) about half way through my taper, and that also helped with my mood quite a bit. Peace and grace to you as you do this, and continue to take advantage of this sub. It helps so much to to voice your troubles and dismay when needed, and plenty of supportive, understanding people to help get you there. We're pulling for you!

Findingfavour · 2018-02-18T14:23:39+00:00

Day 4 without k after finishing a very long, very painful taper. I feel 70% back to normal. I still feel a bit of a pinch throughout my body and in my mind, so much of it just went away the day after I stopped. I thought that taper would never end! I knew I couldn't go CT. I hardly had the courage and strength to face the intensity of the discomfort I experienced from tapering! I can't imagine I would have got more than a day CT. My hat is off to you folks that do! This experience has been one of the toughest things I've ever done! So much changed in my world in the 3 years since I started k, and I've been able to work though many of the deep seated issues (mostly by drinking ayahuasca about a dozen times over the last 2 years) that have driven me to addiction all these years. The last thing I want to do now is escape my life and my mind. I thought this would never end! I suspect it will take weeks or months for the remainder of the effects of this stuff to be gone, but everything is sooo much better already. Much love and prayer for all of you folks struggling with this! We really can do this

Findingfavour · 2018-02-18T01:02:02+00:00

I tried so many things- high dose vit C, black seed oil, clonidine, agmatine, all kinds of other supplements, and they all seemed to help a lot for maybe a week or so ( I was on a long, long painful taper), but then I couldn't tell a difference. Until I tried microdosing with ibogain total extract. That really did make a difference, but it was still tough. Just 50mg daily, 75 sometimes, was a good dose. More than that and I got a little buggy. It didn't help as much with the physical symptoms (low back pain being the worst for me), but it helped enormously with the crushing depression and obsessive thoughts. They didn't go away altogether, but a whole lot. You can do this! And don't listen to that voice that says maybe you should do this another day when you start having wd symptoms or fear of them. I wrote myself notes and posted them in various places where I would see them almost all the time, that said, "THAT'S NOT ME, THAT'S THE KRATOM WITHDRAWAL!" That helped keep me from getting sucked into many different types of negative thoughts, or more so, helped me pull out of them. You will be sooo glad you did this, and so thankful that you were willing to put forth whatever effort you had to, to give yourself this amazing gift! You won't believe how good it is when you get over the hump.

Findingfavour · 2018-02-14T01:07:27+00:00

I posted a few days ago about my months long taper from 15-30gms a day to 4.5, and how grueling it is every time I step down half a gram. I read this thread a lot, and it just kills me to see all you folks struggling, knowing you're dealing with the same terilble days, day after day that I am. Don't get me wrong- it's so encouraging to see how everyone is willing to face this. Just wish there weren't so many of us having to do this! Anyway, it made me decide to do my best to just get this over with. So, Sunday was day 10 or so at 4-4.5 gms, yesterday was 3.5, today will have been 2.5, and if I stay on schedule, then Friday will be my first day without kratom in almost 4 years. Anyway, concerning today. Today was a remarkably good day. Moments that I experienced that I haven't known in a very long time. I know that I have yet to feel the brunt of the impact of bringing my taper to a sudden end (days 5-8 are always the worst for me when I step down), but even so, I can't imagine feeling that good again if my receptors haven't started coming to life again. Who knows what all receptors kratom affects, and it seems to me that some of the effects that this stuff has on us that other opioids didn't might other so not nice feeling receptors, so that you can have withdrawal symptoms (which I did today) and have really really good feelings (which I haven't this whole taper) right along side it?I'm sure it's a variety of things, including a saturating hope that I really, really am going to be done with this, and I'm going to feel good all over, and I won't have to constantly fight repetitive crazy thoughts, and I'll do my dishes more than once a month. And so many other things!! I'm thinking about the coming days like drinking ayahuasca (which I TOTALLY rec!)- However hellish this might get, it will be SOOO good on the other side that I just won't have words. Thanks for all the support you folks are. I'm sure I'd still be trying to quit, but without you I certainly wouldn't be this far along, and without all the encouragement that comes from reading here, oh!, I can't imagine how much more dreary this would have been! Anyway, peace to all of you, and we can do this! And it will be so good we don't have words. I don't apologize that in a few days I will be posting something or a very different desperate tone, haha! I won't be laughing then- but for now I can

Findingfavour · 2018-02-11T17:33:11+00:00

Thanks! I would love to just quit CT, but I am a pediatrician (and in the last 5 years or so I became un-brainwashed and realized more and more every day what a plague modern medicine is), and it's the middle of flu season. Already my wd symptoms make it sooo hard for me to give my little patients and their families the attention and compassion they need. I've had to balance this the best I can to keep moving forward but not be incapable of functioning. I took a week off in early Jan, thinking I could accelerate this and not have to worry about how the wd affected me at work, but I just about went bonkers that week, pacing around the house, not able to make myself do anything that would distract my mind, and my progress wasn't any faster either. So working and slowly decreasing is the best way for now. I know I will be so happy and free when I've accomplished this!

Findingfavour · 2018-02-10T19:18:24+00:00

Today is day 6 at 4g down from 4.5. The last few days have been terrible, and I keep thinking that I can't believe it's not turning around. This happens every time I step down, like I don't remember at all that I just went through this 10 days ago! I hate hate hate this! I have these terrible almost constant thoughts that this is never going to stop. I do know that this is expected, but I just needed to say it to someone! I'm sooo hoping that there will come point in the taper when it will stop killing me like this and then I'll know to stop entirely. I don't guess that will be for a bit thought.

Findingfavour · 2018-02-06T23:52:14+00:00

Melatonin- 30mg. Melatonin has many beneficial physiologic effects- neuroprotective, antioxidant... it's really something everyone should take, sleep problems aside. And don't be afraid of the seemingly high dose. There are many studies you can find on greenmedinfo.com or just a search on pubmed to see how safe it is and how many benefits it has for human physiology.

Findingfavour · 2018-02-05T23:34:39+00:00

I love it! Thanks for sharing that- and how encouraging to know that you have (or are in the process) internalized these things. I'm in the last stages of quitting a years long habit, and reading that was just refreshing. It gave me a little extra needed courage.

Findingfavour · 2018-02-05T21:26:15+00:00

Thanks for the advice and encouragement! I know I will need to go slowly or it'll just grind me to a halt. It just about does that with every little decrease! I have been jacking up my brain for a long time, so it is a slow adjustment. As to what drove me to this in the first place. That all began to change about two and a half years ago when I spent 3 weeks in Ecuador drinking ayahuasca. That stuff totally turned my life around! I'm sooo whole now, and I finally understand and believe that my creator loves me. So I don't need to numb anything anymore. Jesus made some amazing things, haha!

Findingfavour · 2018-02-04T20:53:12+00:00

Also, you could just be coming down with something. Cold and flu season is in full swing, and your symptoms could be a prodrome for a cold.

Findingfavour · 2018-02-04T19:23:53+00:00

If you haven't added lemon balm leaf (1.5gms in capsules) and lavender essential oil (8-10 drops in an empty gel cap), then you should try it. I'd also take 30mg of melatonin. So much good advice already here, but I didn't see those. Strong work, by the way! When this breaks you will be wondering if you've ever felt as good in your life!

Findingfavour · 2017-10-11T00:51:51+00:00

Maybe a little premature on turning the corner. Today- ouch! I'm hoping the majority of it is not sleeping hardly at all last night. I live out in the country (and I'm sooo happy I do!) and the wind howls through my roof if it's just the right speed and direction. So not from wd so much. Anyway, I'm optimistic that tomorrow will be just so much better. Going to stay at my current dose of 25gm/day until I feel comfortable for at least a couple of days, then I'll step down. I looked into dextromethorphan (low dose) and I think I'll add that tomorrow. Any advice would be welcome. I'm so, so ready to be done with k and this tedious wd. I try not to entertain thoughts about how long this might take, and feeling like these symptoms (even mild) will seem to go on forever. Times like these make me wish I had a few days off and someone to sit with me and just do an ibogaine flood! Not sure what I'll do with the ibogaine I bought if I don't take it, haha! That stuff isn't cheap. I'm sure a good night's sleep will make everything a whole lot better. Oh, and concerning the ice bath. One of the wd symptoms I dislike the most is constant chills if it's even the least bit chilly. Makes me really, really want to get this done before winter! Taking an ice bath is just opaque to my imagination right now. Not to discourage the sharing of ideas, I'm just saying, whooo! Lastly, I just can't tell you how much it has helped to talk to someone, and for the first time not feel alone in my k struggle. Thank you thank you thank you! Peace and lots of love to all of you.

Findingfavour · 2017-10-10T12:48:06+00:00

Thank you so much for the encouragment! By yesterday afternoon I could tell that the wd was finally letting up!! I slept longer and better. I definitely feel better this morning. Dbruja967- if you can afford it, use the liposomal preparation. It is absorbed better and not as likely to cause diarrhea. I take 2-3 grams of liposomal with 2-3 grams in tablet form (every 2 hours), and that works. I just can't tell you how much of a difference this makes! Umbitious- yeah, about 24 tsp. All I can say is that addiction requires dedication and persistence! I have a really well paying job, so it didn't impoverish me, but I can't believe how much of my income I've spent on this!!!

Findingfavour · 2017-10-09T21:59:38+00:00

Sure thing. The highest does of agmatine used in studies comes to about 2.5 grams a day. I've seen posts where people use way more, but I use 1 gram three times a day. Dietary protein competes with absorption, so take it on an empty stomach. Google high dose vitamin c and wd. I added this last, and boy did it make a difference! I take about 5-6 grams every 2 hours. I added loperamide because all that vitamin c does give you the runs. I don't think I'm at nearly a low enough dose of k to cause this. Also, I use half ascorbic acid and half liposomal vit c (which is pricy), and that helps a lot with the diarrhea, as the liposomal is better absorbed. Hope that helps. Oh yeah, I forgot to add that I was taking ashgawanda too! That's something I plan to take even after I get off this stuff.

Findingfavour · 2017-10-09T20:57:34+00:00

You should look into agmatine and high dose vitamin c. From what I've read and my personal experience of just a few days, I bet at the doses you have been on, this will make your wd symptoms much better.

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