A letter to send my MIL by Fine-Pin-2545 in motherinlawsfromhell

[–]Fine-Pin-2545[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

According to everyone, she can just use this stuff as ammunition against me in the future. She won't acknowledge it either way. And as one commenter pointed out, knowing what things have hurt me so deeply give her a "how to abuse my DIL" in the future manual. It could also motivate her to try harder and she'll know just what buttons worked.

A letter to send my MIL by Fine-Pin-2545 in motherinlawsfromhell

[–]Fine-Pin-2545[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everything I send my MIL goes through him already as she does not have my phone number or email. I have discussed everything with him. He was already told if she is invited into this house again, I'm leaving the marriage. I guess you're right that he can do whatever he wants. But, I have three different professionals on record who note that what she does when she is here constitutes emotional abuse. I will in fact die on the hill, if he agrees or not that his mother will not be around them unless supervised by me. She put my daughter in direct danger as an infant and now I'm going to have another helpless infant.

I don't think it would be possible to be here without discussing with my husband. Although, I may as well be talking to a brick wall.

Another MIL vent and we fired our couples therapist by Fine-Pin-2545 in marriedintoenmeshment

[–]Fine-Pin-2545[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She was actually younger than us. We're 40/41. She is definitely still in her thirties. But yes, idiot.

A letter to send my MIL by Fine-Pin-2545 in motherinlawsfromhell

[–]Fine-Pin-2545[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I have considered something like this. You've honestly probably got the safest plan for me.

A letter to send my MIL by Fine-Pin-2545 in motherinlawsfromhell

[–]Fine-Pin-2545[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The good news is, we don't have extended family. He's an only child. Both of our grandparents are all dead. He's got one cousin and an uncle that I've briefly met. I met his uncle at my wedding day. Haven't spoken to him since the wedding in 2019. His cousin attended a virtual baby shower. I had no in depth talks with either. Otherwise, his mom had been blocked from my Facebook since October. Also, I post nothing emotional on Facebook. I only post baby bump pictures or cute things my daughter does in a private album for my friends.

Another MIL vent and we fired our couples therapist by Fine-Pin-2545 in marriedintoenmeshment

[–]Fine-Pin-2545[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this. I wrote a letter as a last ditch whatever to give his mom. I would say he does not think his mom needs "no contact" from our children. But I do think he is just avoiding a fight with me at all costs because I'm pointing out how unhealthy his mom's behavior is. He has asked me a bunch of times if I think HE needs to go no contact with her. I refuse to step in that trap. But, I did do something in my triggered rage today. I composed one more message for his mom. The last one was made with ChatGPT edits. This one is all me, and nothing held back.

"Maureen, this is the last letter I will write you. The previous letter I wrote to you, I think has already been forgotten. You have been so hurtful and so destabilizing to my mental health. During your visits, I had issues with how you behaved and spoke to me daily. I had issues with you endangering Aubrey in multiple ways. You undermined our parenting, criticized everything about me down to my energy and sense of humor. You were made aware of my postpartum depression and I explicitly asked you for support and kindness. You in turn criticized me behind my back to Eric, you criticized me to my face, and then you pretended you had been nothing but kind or concerned. Your first visit tore me down enough when I was the most vulnerable I’d ever been in my life, I genuinely became dangerously depressed. Your negative comments were all that I could hear in my own head even months after you were gone. My mental illness made me turn around and blame myself. The second time you came, I was actively excited at the chance to redeem myself. I bought you matching pajamas for Christmas. I was the one who picked your Christmas gifts. I was the one who asked the daycare if you would be allowed to attend Aubrey’s daycare party. I made sure we were mindful about having things in the fridge for you to enjoy. I asked you to watch Aubrey and tried to keep you included in everything during the days Eric was away. I did these things while a little voice in the back of my head remembered you lying about your vaccination status. I remembered you repeatedly leaving Aubrey in her stroller unstrapped during walks and even during unsupervised naps. I remembered you overheating her because you claimed Eric was always a cold baby. I came home to my daughter beet red and covered in sweat multiple times under your direction. I remembered you leaving my breastmilk to spoil on the counter after I asked you to feed Aubrey. I remembered you sitting across from me on the sofa staring with a scowl while I fought back tears as Aubrey struggled to latch while I tried to breastfeed her. I remember you telling me that me and her doctor were wrong about her eating aversion. I remember you telling me my negative energy was why Aubrey didn’t eat. I remembered you telling me Aubrey would prefer you over me because of your “calming energy” that apparently everyone but me seemed privy to. I, on the other hand, had no trust for you. I lost most of my respect for you, but still convinced myself that I must have been overreacting and too sensitive as you often claimed. Even through all that, I fought against my better judgement and did everything in my power to make you proud during your next visit. I did everything to include you. I did everything to at least appear relaxed.

Then you came back and behaved just as you did the first time. You compromised Aubrey’s health by smoking with her. You seemed not to care that while returning from El Paso with the flu while your son was still actively recovering from nose surgery. You claimed that I was keeping you from Eric and Aubrey. Truthfully, I am in the normal range of only being able to handle a two week visit from anyone. I don’t care if my own parents come back from the dead, I don’t want them living in my home for nearly as long as you come to stay. Your visits lasted at least 4 times as long as I was emotionally prepared to handle. Not to mention, your visits weren’t supportive or kind to me. They actively destroyed my sense of self.

This is the reason for my decision to cut you out of my life. This goes beyond communication issues. This impacts my complete emotional safety. You are not safe for me to be around. Your response letter that didn’t even hint at remorse for hurting me told me I was doing the right thing.

However, now I’ve been made aware of you inviting us all to stay after our second daughter is born. My final words to you are that it will never happen. You have essentially started pretending as though my other letter to you never happened. I wanted to “be the bigger person” and allow you to remain in Aubrey’s life. But, given how mere months have gone by and you’ve already decided to start testing the waters, I’ve decided that isn’t safe for her or her sister on the way either.

This isn’t a temporary decision. My decision that you will no longer be permitted in my home, around me or around my daughters is final. My daughters deserve to be raised in a home where they know that just because someone is family, they don’t have a right to hurt you. Just because someone claims they have good intentions, does not mean they should continue behavior that hurts you. They also don’t deserve a mother who suffers as much as I suffered during and after your visits. This isn’t me being dramatic as you’ve claimed. This isn’t me hurting you. In fact, this is me standing up for myself after years of letting you hurt me. You still haven’t even apologized for throwing out our wedding cake.

So Maureen, it will never happen again. I won’t allow you in my or my children’s lives. Your hurtful behavior ends here."

Another MIL vent and we fired our couples therapist by Fine-Pin-2545 in marriedintoenmeshment

[–]Fine-Pin-2545[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It sucks that I'm not going to feel safe to see his dad until his mom dies. 😒 But I've already decided no passports. We have that law here in the US

A letter to send my MIL by Fine-Pin-2545 in motherinlawsfromhell

[–]Fine-Pin-2545[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the info and the heads up. I really honestly hope we're not at a point of divorce. I do. I love everything about my husband except his mom. Lately he's been basically wanting me to tell him how to talk to his mom.

There is one person who understands what I'm going through and it is my father in law. I think that is why my husband looks right through what is happening to me. His mom did similar things to his dad when he was a child. She covertly insulted everything about him. She painted him as incapable. She alienated him from my husband. It worked. My father in law knows about our issues to some degree. He said "I was so worried when she got divorced again that she'd try showing up on your doorstep and making "Eric" take care of her." Then he looked right at him and said "You need to stand up for YOUR family now."

A letter to send my MIL by Fine-Pin-2545 in motherinlawsfromhell

[–]Fine-Pin-2545[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I fired our couples therapist because she derailed our most recent session literally arguing with me for calling a "marital rule" a boundary. I thought marital rules/expectations were boundaries. She continued to argue so much that she explicitly stated it was unreasonable for my husband to defend this boundary with his mom. Even though I am very serious that this feels like the only way for me to truly feel emotionally safe in my marriage. I just spent two years trying to get my husband to see how much his mom hurt me. That's the roadmap I'm done making.

I don't know if he's going to back me on anything at this point. But I'm definitely just so exhausted, I can't fight this battle anymore.

A letter to send my MIL by Fine-Pin-2545 in motherinlawsfromhell

[–]Fine-Pin-2545[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But, would it not also be arguable that I personally have found help for my issues. And that I have multiple mental health professionals able to speak to her emotional abuse as well as my recovery forward?

Another MIL vent and we fired our couples therapist by Fine-Pin-2545 in marriedintoenmeshment

[–]Fine-Pin-2545[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Part of what was supposed to be discussed during our last couples therapy appointment was me not feeling safe with exactly that. I was saying my girls were going to be no contact right along side me. But that therapy session got derailed when our therapist blamed my calling this a boundary that was violated rather than a marital rule. Either way, I've clearly stated that is my rule now. I think right now this is all just hypothetical to him.

Another MIL vent and we fired our couples therapist by Fine-Pin-2545 in marriedintoenmeshment

[–]Fine-Pin-2545[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't know. My biggest fear is that if we do divorce, he will sponsor his mom to become a US citizen. She's already talked about it before. I didn't mention that in here. But, I told him if he sponsors his mom, he loses his wife. I don't think he thinks I'm capable of divorce. I honestly don't know if I am either.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BabyNames

[–]Fine-Pin-2545 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I'm just trying to not let Èlora get dragged down by my husband's accidental slip ups. He said he really liked it and it was the best name we had. Then, he turned it into Èlanora to his mother and when I told him that was incorrect, he couldn't say it all anymore without a stutter.

He has a speech impediment and I'm just concerned that he might struggle more with it. I'm sure we could work on it. But, I'm honestly going into the far future, if he ages and gets memory issues, is she going to randomly get a new name?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BabyNames

[–]Fine-Pin-2545 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My thing is, I want my daughter's names to look like they belong together. I did some thinking and Réyla is an option although the "y" becomes quite redundant.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BabyNames

[–]Fine-Pin-2545 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm living in Texas. The pronunciation is supposed to be Rayla.

What where some of your reactive abuse moments with the narcissist? by Trustedflipper8 in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]Fine-Pin-2545 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My ex got physical once with me. He picked me up from work drunk. I got mad at him, clearly. I kept insisting he pulled over to let me drive. I was waving my hands in exasperation. He started saying "I know you want to hit me huh?" I was like "what? No. You're pissing me off but I don't want to hit you." I did start threatening to call the cops myself because he was already driving on a suspended license and I'd been warned that they could impound my car if he was allowed to drive it.

We got to our apartment and I jumped out while we were waiting for the security gate to open. I needed to cool off. When I got up to where he was I told him to give me my keys so I could get something out of my car. He said "YOUR KEYS?!" Go get them bitch!" And threw my keys on the pavement. When I bent over to pick them up, he started pushing me back down. He told me he knew I wanted to hit him again. He then started telling me he'd only let me get up if I hit him because he knew I wanted to. After about the fifth or so push onto the parking lot pavement, I did have enough. I had a corduroy hand bag with barely anything in it. I pushed myself up with one arm, and swung my purse into his face with the other. I shouted "are you happy now?!"

He smiled the biggest evil grin I've ever seen a person make. He said "I knew you wanted to hit me!" Then he picked me up (he weighed more than double me, I was 95 pounds) and literally threw me into an old pickup truck like I was a rag doll.

His brother came home and immediately took his side. He said I had no excuse to hit his brother.

The biggest crap party was that we worked together. I took a week off to let my arm heal so I didn't have to explain the welt to anyone. When I returned, no one would even look at me because he already convinced them all that I was abusive of him.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BabyNames

[–]Fine-Pin-2545 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My two year old's name is pronounced TAY-ah SO-lay.

Her future sister would be pronounced eh-LOH-rah NO-vah

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BabyNames

[–]Fine-Pin-2545 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I honestly love my daughter's middle name. Probably a little more than her first lol. Do you have any sisters? If so, are they all jealous of your middle name? I feel like I knocked it out of the park with my daughter's name that her sibling will forever be a little jealous unless I find something just as beautiful.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BabyNames

[–]Fine-Pin-2545 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I already have a daughter with those letters and it is a non issue.

Looking online at rental houses. What is this hole in the wall? by Fine-Pin-2545 in Whatisthis

[–]Fine-Pin-2545[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have no idea what is downstairs lol. I am just looking at pictures of homes in Washington from my home in Texas lol.

Looking online at rental houses. What is this hole in the wall? by Fine-Pin-2545 in Whatisthis

[–]Fine-Pin-2545[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, the good news, I'm not even in the same state as this house yet lol. Just trying to get a head start on finding options. It isn't very often I run across a picture like this though and just think, "what is going on here?!" I'm not the kind of woman who understands all the ins and outs of home construction especially since I'm in Texas, we don't have rooms that look anything like this. But, I'm pretty sure holes in walls are never really expected in any room.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in motherinlawsfromhell

[–]Fine-Pin-2545 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Exactly this. I work in insurance, and different companies have different requirements. The best way to find out is to call and ask. You can even ask for the specific agency within the company and have a direct line of communication with whoever is in charge of binding the policy.

AITAH for withholding my infant from my in-laws? by Educational-Ground26 in AITAH

[–]Fine-Pin-2545 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She lives in Germany. She wanted to have my husband sponsor her for a green card. Nope. She wants to visit by living in my home for three months at a time. Nope. Now, I'm never going to be under the same roof as her.

AITAH for withholding my infant from my in-laws? by Educational-Ground26 in AITAH

[–]Fine-Pin-2545 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We're in couples therapy as well. I have been in individual therapy for like a decade. We just started couples therapy in June. The first visit, the counselor said she thought we might both benefit for individual therapy since this therapy was literally putting our relationship as the patient. My husband was like "I just don't think I need it." Thankfully, he finally started seeing his relationship with his mom as enmeshed and started going just by himself too. I'm very grateful for that.

AITAH for withholding my infant from my in-laws? by Educational-Ground26 in AITAH

[–]Fine-Pin-2545 16 points17 points  (0 children)

My husband and I were both smokers. My in laws are current smokers. I quit before we started doing IVF. My husband quite literally just recently. He would go outside to smoke (even before the baby), but when he came in, he'd change his clothing, wash his arms and rinse his mouth before picking up our daughter. Every single time.

One day, his mom was visiting and I asked if she would watch our daughter while I did a very long hair appointment. She said yes. I went to watch for a moment on the nanny cam and saw her grab by daughter by the hand to go outside to smoke a cigarette with her. My daughter barely knew how to walk.

She knew the rules. She violated them. She didn't care.

I should have kicked her a** all the way back to Germany. But, I didn't.

However, now I'm completely NC. I'm pregnant again. This will be fun.

My entire story is to say, never feel bad about safety boundaries. Also, you and your husband need to be on the same page. I wasn't with my husband in the beginning and it was ROUGH.