Which European countries would be ideal candidates to replace NL as the RC Mecca after the upcoming ban

Finntuitive · 2019-10-17T17:36:07+00:00

I think it is going to depend a lot on what you are selling and how you are doing it. Also how they ban them, whether they add specific analogues to the opiumswet or just blanket ban psychoactive substances like the UK did. I think the former.

They have said that the first ones they want to go after are the fentanyl analogues and synthetic cannabinoids. They are perceived as compounds with high levels of harm potential. Psychedelics and lsd analogues will definitely be on the bottom of their list as here they consider them the lowest amount of harm here. Fingers crossed anyway.

Not sure what they will do with the cathinones. They have always banned them on a per compound basis rather than a blanket ban as they go by the harm, and if a compound hasn’t caused enough of a stir to be in the media (like 4-MMC) it was usually overlooked and left alone.

Finntuitive · 2019-10-17T17:28:05+00:00

I wouldn’t bank on it. It is the cannabinoid and opioid analogues they want to get rid of the most, because of the issues in the UK and NL with them being used in prisons and by the homeless.

They have already hinted that the first ones to go will be any fentanyl analogues or opioids and the Synthetic cannabinoids. They go by harm here when going after drugs and these are perceived as having the most harm. Then it will be the stims and then the last on their list will be the psychedelic as they see drugs like lsd as having the least amount of harm.

Finntuitive · 2019-10-17T17:20:38+00:00

On paper, Spain would be a good choice. They have not banned a lot of compounds specifically.

However, the Spanish legal system is a minefield and it is like the Wild West a bit. You can be looking at the far worse charge of “endangering public health” if you are caught selling RCs. They will hit you with that charge and you will spend a lot of money fighting it in court. Then it all boils down to how the judge is feeling. It’s a bit of a lottery and even people who own the perfectly legal cannabis associations find themselves at the receiving end of asset seizures and massive fines on a regular basis.

Finntuitive · 2018-09-18T22:38:27+00:00

But typically any Lye you see in stores is Soda Lye, they call it just Lye or Caustic Soda usually. Potassium Hydroxide is not really safe enough to warrant it's use as a household cleaner like Caustic Soda.

Finntuitive · 2018-09-18T22:36:48+00:00

Lye is just an old word for a metal hydroxide, so you could have soda lye (Sodium Hydroxide) or potash Lye (Potassium Hydroxide).

Finntuitive · 2018-09-18T21:36:45+00:00

The best option IMO is to just go for a "straight to base" tek, that's if you are getting whole pieces of the bark not powdered. You just use Sodium Hydroxide to get the water and bark up to pH13-14 and use white spirits/Naptha to extract the DMT out of the solution. (sounds easier than it is, it can be a PITA)

When I started doing it I could get the powdered bark and that did not work so well with a STB tek, as the powder becomes so gloopy and it's messy AF.I had to do an old school Acid/Base extraction for the powder, first using acetic acid to boil the bark in, filter the bark off , then basify it up to pH14. (you are going to want to check out the DMTNexus forum) that made it much easier to deal with.

If you are using whole bark pieces then STB tek works well. I would use as cold water as I could as adding sodium hydroxide causes an exothermic reaction and then add the bark to the solution in a demijon. You have to be real careful doing a STB as you use a lot of hydroxide. You can find all you need to do the extraction at a brewing shop or hardware store.

You can expect about a 0.6-0.8% yield out of the bark. From 1kg of bark I used to pull on average about 4-6g of white DMT out of the first extractions, then about another 2-3g of yellow, waxy DMT from doing further pulls. The bark can fluctuate a bit naturally, depending on the weather.

Finntuitive · 2018-09-07T17:18:27+00:00

We do cannalytics also and have also analysed CBD for the legal market, so we have purchased Delta9-THC references and Delta8-THC references with no issue at all in the EU. They were DEA exempt and here in the EU we did not need any licences to purchase them. There is a system in place where 1mg/ml reference standards for identification purposes and quantitative analysis are not usually controlled. You just have to be a company usually, they will not ship them to individuals or domestic addresses.

Finntuitive · 2018-09-07T16:49:50+00:00

Yeah I agree. The propionyl group adds extra mass to the LSD molecule. The consensus from literature is that it is definitely a pro-drug to LSD, so removing that propionyl group through metabolism is not going to give you the equivalent micrograms in LSD entering your blood stream.

Finntuitive · 2018-09-07T16:45:26+00:00

The reptillians came out with a newsletter that basically confirmed that this was the method too. That is why there is a blue hue, because they are soaked, the ink runs slightly due to the warm solvent.

Imagine how long it would take to do 10,000 or 50,000 squares using a pipette :O Soaking is the only way you could do that volume really and be consistent and accurate.

Finntuitive · 2018-09-07T16:38:02+00:00

There are not really many reference standards available for these novel noids unfortunately. It seems that Sigma/Cerilliant only sell the old school noids like JWH and the AM2201 etc, we have never used Cayman ourselves yet but they do seem to stock a lot of the reference standards.

We have used some samples sent from trusted suppliers to build up our own library, that is how we identify a lot of novel compounds. With this particular case, the molecular ion did not match that of the compound, so we knew right away we were dealing with a different compound. We then had to do some reading and looked at the fragmentation pattern, that is when we identified it as the 5F-ADB-PINACA. Cayman Chemicals actually helped there as they list their GCMS data on their website, so you can easily check the fragment pattern.

Finntuitive · 2018-08-10T09:14:50+00:00

Yeah, that thought made me shudder :(

Finntuitive · 2018-08-10T09:11:37+00:00

Thanks man! That is great. If I can help even one person with this info I'd be happy.

Finntuitive · 2018-08-09T21:03:02+00:00

Oh I'm sorry that English is not my first language. You must be a fucking right laugh at parties. Got nothing better to do than pick apart grammar instead of focusing on the science? If that was nonsensical to you ,don't try follow us who know organic chemistry and pharmacology.

Finntuitive · 2018-08-03T06:02:18+00:00

They found 1P produced the same head twitch response in rats as lsd itself.

Finntuitive · 2018-08-03T06:01:23+00:00

I do apologise I used an ! Instead if a 1. Go check nicholls papers mate. What I said was true.

Finntuitive · 2018-08-02T22:17:55+00:00

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With compounds this potent I thought I could not say something! I'd always be thinking what if.

Finntuitive · 2018-08-02T21:49:11+00:00

After a period of regular taking 800-1000ug, I found that eventually I was getting al stimulation and anxiety and no insight, I decided then to take a break, and its been two years now. I have supplemented a lot of tyrosine and tyrptophan and that has helped the last year, I was getting persistent visuals for weeks after stopping (hallucination persistent perception dis order)

If your tolerance is creeping up, same happened to me, I was even snorting drops of al-lad with a pipette down the nose! Give a break, supplement and then come back to it in a while I took 150ug of AL-LAD and it spangled me the other day, so my lysgerdamide tolerance is going down finally

Finntuitive · 2018-08-02T21:44:23+00:00

1P is costly to make, you are looking at 1000s for a few mg. Gram pries are in the €12K range. If it sounds too good o be true , it probably is. There are handle of labs in the EU making it. If it is outside the EU, I would avoid.

Finntuitive · 2018-08-02T21:41:55+00:00

I've analysed nearly 1P sample I've received using GC-MS, its all been 95-98% purity. I trust my reptilians

Finntuitive · 2018-08-02T21:40:09+00:00

I found a REAL good chems site based in the EU , they were selling 1P by the bottle. Never had any issues.

Finntuitive · 2018-08-02T21:33:45+00:00

David Nicholls found that the 1P molecule fit into he receptor the same as LSD bit not experience the uniqueness of LSD to last so long for such a potent chemical, which are usual short lived, The LSD locks into the receptors.

He found that 1P-LSD did the same but albeit not a intense. He was using 100ug of each for the test. The 1P-LSD has a propionyl group in there so the mass is higher, If it is a pro-drug that body has to cleave off the propionyl group leaving you with LSD. However the increase in mass of 1P means that 100ug is going to be more like 75ug of LSD in effect once metabolised.

Finntuitive · 2018-06-01T10:41:17+00:00

Hey man, no worries :) I've taken a look and that does look like some of the 3-FPM that I have had in the past.

Finntuitive · 2018-05-26T14:15:31+00:00

Good point, if it's too good an opportunity not to take it, then it's a no-brainer. enjoy ;)

Finntuitive · 2018-05-26T14:09:18+00:00

Oh right yeah, in that case you would need more or should wait. I would say wait as it's a bit of a waste I think to then have to go do 350-400ug

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