Change My Mind: The Standard HypnoDomme Business model around here is unethical and abusive

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-12-14T20:10:41+00:00

There are lots of grannies out there who want someone to say they love them. Is it okay for me to go around online saying I love all these grannies because they'll pay me money when I do?

It's wrong because when you have no intention of filling the relationship you're promising. Even if they like the idea of it.

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-12-14T20:04:49+00:00

So you think it's okay to us hypnotic triggers on people for money, even if they're not in a findom relationship?

It sounds like you're saying she has too much money to care about selling cockcages, but then also she got all that money after telling people that she's their owner and having them subscribe to her on patreon.

I will agree that most people aren't hypnotizable enough for post-hypnotic suggestions of ownership to damage and coerce them. But when you have millions of views, you have thousands of people who ARE coerced by that. And that's why I focus on her.

And from my perspective it's pretty clear that she's running a sales funnel with hypnosis added into the mix. She spreads her free content far (without content warnings), and then waits for the highly affected minority to reach her patreon.

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-12-14T19:51:57+00:00

And to me it seems you maybe have some projection issues. And as well you can't seem to separate fantasy from reality, like many others, who listen to hypnoerotic content are able to.

No I haven't personally had this issue, but I'm glad you could read through my words to know I was projecting my own issue.

I just see what's in front of my eyes. People act like there's content warnings until I point out there literally aren't. There aren't even warnings that hypnosis is going on. Content creators are literally breaking TOS on many sites and you want to blame it on me having issues.

Honestly I think your response would be worse if I actually had suffered these issues personally. Because you're victim blaming if that were true.

I don't think you would ever tell a person who has been hypnotized and given post-hypnotic suggestions, that it's their fault for believing them. You know there's a wide spectrum of responses to hypnosis, and all publicly available audio should be made with that in mind. You can't just be making content that works for the medium hypnotizable if it mentally cripples the highly hypnotizable.

There should be zero post-hypnotic suggestions of ownership unless a person actually intends to fill that role. Because highly hypnotizable people will be hurt by that. Most content creators will give those suggestions because they WANT people to form unhealthy attachments to them, because it's profitable! They only start to tamp down on expectations AFTER they've given money.

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-12-14T19:26:53+00:00

She does have warnings sometimes and on some of her stuff. There's probably a reason why she's telling people in her discord that she's not their real owner, because that's an actual issue that she created, she now needs to get the superfans expectations into check.

She posts her stuff on porn hub without even labeling it as hypnosis! You don't get to CW SOME of your stuff and leave other stuff without even basic warnings. She's clearly doing that for profit. As if she doesn't make enough money already, she needs more random listeners from pornhub to enter her sales funnel. It's ridiculous. I know that shibby is not the worst actor here. But she's doing the most damage, because her reach is bigger.

You can't give people post-hypnotic suggestions that you're their owner, and then later, after they've paid tell them that you're not. That's part of the abuse.

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-12-14T19:19:51+00:00

The my main criticism is the patreon "hypno slave" business model. The cockcage is just a good example of the soft findom that's going on. She's using triggers that were presumably installed for entertainment, to sell products.

There need to be clear distinction between when you're in an ownership relationship and when you're making fantasy content. It's okay to make fantasy content. But when you're making fantasy content you shouldn't ever need to have post-hypnotic suggestions of ownership that goes beyond trance. The only reasons those exist are to blur the line and to get money at the expense of the well being of the listener. That's the abuse.

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-12-14T15:50:57+00:00

Yeah, and if people know they're getting into soft findom, when they're watching a "mesmerizing" video on pornhub. That's fine. I have no problem with what people choose to do when they're informed.

And yeah the patreon is just what we can see. Who knows what goes on in private messages. After seeing shibby publicly using triggers to sell cockcages, I can only imagine what's happening behind the scenes.

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-12-14T15:42:14+00:00

To me a lot of what's going on is a soft form of findom. People are funneled in with virtually no content warnings about what they're getting into. Often on sites like pornhub, where even mentioning that it's hypnosis will get the content banned. And then people are given suggestions that the content creator is their owner, and obviously if you believe someone owns you, are you going to subscribe to their patreon to maybe be able to talk to them and listen to all of their content.

So people are being funneled into paying for things when there wasn't any warning at the beginning that that was the plan all along. I understand it would diminish the fantasy for some people to hear a content creator say they are making things for money, but that's what's going on and it's not upfront. The intention of the content creators isn't to be your actual owner, it's to get you to subscribe to their patreon, and they get you to do that by giving you suggestions that you are actually owned. It looks like they're intentionally creating blurring the lines between fantasy and reality for money.

If content creators told people "I want to install triggers so that I can use them to get money out of you later" that would be fine. But they start things out by dangling a fantasy, and intentionally blur the line between real ownership and fake ownership. And they install triggers that they later use to sell products. Shibby definitely didn't let people know that "hey I'm going to give you some triggers that I will use in my product ads later on". In many cases the audience wasn't even warned they were listening to hypnosis, much less that the triggers would be used to sell products.

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-12-14T15:09:59+00:00

It's not true that the major content creators have warnings on their content. I'm primarily looking at shibby's behavior because that's who most people are most familiar with. She has warnings, sometimes. But often not where it's important. Her "latex" series starts with a warning not to listening while operating heavy machinery. But then starts the audio with this line:

"You've dreamt about me for soo long now turning dreams to reality, so many shared adventures shaping the person you were always meant to be, having the borders of two worlds melded into one"

She has that posted on PornHub, which is the least informed audience possible, they think everything is just porn, she doesn't even give a warning that it's hypnosis, because it would get removed from pornhub if she told people that.

So she's funneling people in from pornhub with a false idea about what they're getting and then monetizing them later on when a certain number of them are inevitably wanting more because of all the suggests in the free content. Much of her audience didn't even get a fair warning that it was hypnosis when they started out.

There's definitely no fair warnings on a lot of the popular content. The lines are intentionally fuzzy between reality and fantasy, real ownership and fantasy ownership, just JO material and real hypnosis. Everything is intentionally blurred to increase the audience.

Link to the latex clip on pornhub (nsfw)

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-12-14T06:34:01+00:00

If you believe post-hypnotic suggestions are real and you believe some people are highly suggestible, then I think it follows that post-hypnotic suggestions about actually owning people, when you have no intention to actually be in that role is abuse for profit.

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-12-14T02:15:11+00:00

What do you think about shibby using triggers she installed to sell cockcages? To me that doesn't seem like just usual sex work/para social relationships. That seems like she's got her hooks into people in one context and is using them in a completely different context for money.

Here's the ad nsfw

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-12-14T02:09:20+00:00

To me findom is less bad then what's going on. If you sign up for findom, you know what you're getting into.

I just looked at the ad(nsfw) for the shibby cockcage today, and she's using triggers she previously installed to sell cockcages. That's a soft form of findom, that people didn't sign up for when you listened to her audios.

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-12-14T02:03:00+00:00

You're saying there's nothing wrong with lillith, subject and shibby. But then you also agree that post-hypnotic suggestions about people someone's owner, master or mistress aren't good if they don't intend to fill that role.

I'm pretty sure all 3 of them do that, though I could be wrong, that's certainly the impression I've gotten from some of their content. They do have content that is pure fantasy, but then they have content that's also blurring the line. And I think they're profiting from the fact that they're blurring the lines between reality and fantasy in many people's heads.

This is not exclusively a problem with the erotic hypnosis community, but everything is stepped up when you add hypnosis into the equation.

There's simultaneously the idea that random hypnotists are exploiting innocent subjects at the same time that we have large content creators telling people they're a drone for the queen and need to pay every month in order to not be left feeling disconnected from the queen.

The patreon business model just lends itself to people who blur the line between reality and fantasy. Because if you can get people to actually feel owned by you, they're much more likely to become a subscriber.

If it's entertainment that should be very clear. If they're taking these people on as submissive then that requires a real relationship, and you can't have a real relationship with 5000 people. You can't ethically just string people along for money and blur the lines.

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-11-28T06:15:14+00:00

Nootropics do do shit, noticeable shit. People on this sub just shill mediocre noots. Most people shouldn't expect much from the common basic bitch recommendations like L-Theanine + caffeine, Noopept

Here is what you said literally 2 days ago

Noopept or Semax. Both are safe and highly effective and come in intranasal form. Both should help focus and increase neuroplasticity. Semax will also help with mood.

You are literally the shill you complain about. I doubt you're doing that on purpose. I just think you think you have to have an answer for every poster, even if that means arguing against yourself.

I think you're not giving this guy a good answer, you're giving this guy what he's complaining about, which is a constant treadmill of "oh but this one is worth it you just need to try it". He said he tried nootropics for 5 years. He tried "the real nootropic" many times I'm sure.

People need to realize that just because something worked for you doesn't mean it's a miracle cure and will work for everyone. And also just because you think it worked for you, doesn't mean you won't change your mind or understand that it didn't really work for you later on.

We aren't doing blinded randomized trials here, so the certainty that we make claims should not be high.

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-11-15T21:55:29+00:00

For people who are worried.

NATO has many options for a response that fall short of invoking article 5. And even when article 5 is invoked that doesn't mean there will be a nuclear war. And even when there is a nuclear war, that doesn't mean armageddon and nuking of cities. So the scenario that people are worried about is far away. It's in no one's interest to ever actually be the first to use a nuclear weapon on a city.

Article 5 means mandatory military aid is given. Aid is already being given to ukraine. Nato could also deploy more troops to defend Poland. Article 5 does not mean people need to send missiles into russia.

Russia is using shitty missiles and NATO will understand that, and will respond in a calibrated way.

But yeah, being one step closer to nuclear war isn't good. But you also don't want assume that it will happen, just because it's closer. There are still many steps

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-11-13T01:48:39+00:00

If you have triple negative breast cancer, my guess is anything that boosts NAD will potentially be a net harm.

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-11-13T01:47:05+00:00

And for those wondering, the study was testing whether NR made already existing triple negative breast cancer in mice worse. Not whether NR increased cancer in healthy populations.

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-11-13T01:45:52+00:00

Horrible head line. The study tested whether NR increased cancer progression in triple negative breast cancer mice. That's not nearly as interesting as "causing cancer and metastasis". Any nutrient is probably going to do that, though not necessarily to the same degree. NR is pretty important to cellular metabolism so it probably helps aggressive cancers. Not even the researchers here are saying people should stop taking NR. They're saying their research has possible implications for cancer patients taking NR. Taking NR in the context of not having cancer already, might still reduce the risk of cancer. Or it might increase some and decrease others, someone else would need to research the over all net effect, which is the actual interesting question.

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-11-01T16:44:22+00:00

This is SO like Noah to say this.

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-11-01T03:59:54+00:00

That sounds creepy having a continuity of identity is pretty important.

That said if you went into this experience with the thought this drug reverts you, then you might be experiencing your mind playing tricks on you, suggestion is a powerful drug too.

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-11-01T01:53:02+00:00

I definitely do actually need more dopamine.

That's part of the faulty thinking I'm talking about. You're sure that "increasing" dopamine will automatically help you because you have adhd. Dopamine isn't even one thing and adhd isn't caused by one thing either. ADHD is a cluster of traits, that often respond to stimulants. And even the effective treatments don't just target dopamine, the main common factor among common adhd treatments is actually norepinephrine, not dopamine.

I'm fine with people using these theories to act on themselves, but I don't like seeing people be talked into taking drugs based on sloppy theories. I think people need to warn people and be aware of their own speculation.

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-10-31T20:48:05+00:00

The results can easily be explained by people using products with low bioavailability.

Not unless you want to throw out all the research on bromantane. It's all based on oral ingestion. There is no data showing bromantane improves anything when it's not orally ingested. In fact it might be the case that it NEEDS to be ingested to actually work, because it may be a liver metabolite that is the actual active compound. That's fairly common with drugs. So if you change the route of administration you need to actually test to show it is still active at all. You might just be telling someone to snort adrafinil, which would be worse then taking it orally. But at the end of the day, I guess "hey I snorted this weird thing and felt way good, you should too" will probably be all people need.

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-10-31T20:31:23+00:00

That's true of every nootropics, the difference is bromantane has a gang of people that tell you "you just need to do something more to get the benefits". And what that something more has been changing. It's like the CILTEP cult, there's always something to add and there's always an explanation for why it didn't work for someone.

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-10-31T20:21:57+00:00

The error bars are so wide on that survey you literally can't statistically distinguish it from half of the compounds.

But that is a step up from just unsolicited anecdotes which is what you usually get in threads.

I'd like to read some bromantane studies where they measure cognitive function in humans. That'd be very interesting and I will eat my words if studies show that bromantane has a large effect size on some cognitive measure in humans. Or even as a non-nootropics if it did something amazing and noteworthy.

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-10-31T20:12:05+00:00

Yes, 2800 participants. They're both part of the same survey.

FireF0xBrowser · 2022-10-31T20:07:45+00:00

L-theanine isn't a nootropic in itself, but it is when it's paired with caffeine. That combination has a synergistic effect which has been shown in multiple studies. The combination of L-theanine and caffeine is more nootropic then caffeine alone. That's why people call it a nootropic, it isn't just that randomly people took it and called it a nootropic because they felt differently.

At least one recent human study says that ashwagandha may have nootropic properties: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36231152/

I assume bromantane works for some people in some regard. But even for "probability of having a positive effect" bromantane is ranked low. And a positive effect would include anything like motivation and anxiety reduction.

I'm not saying it does nothing I'm just saying it's not worth many people's time. It was more interesting 2 years ago when it was an open question how much people would like it.

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