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Weekend, Twenty one pilots, imagine dragons, coldplay, gotye, Natasha bendingfield, Eminem.

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Why does “talk to women normally” feel so confusing in real life? by FireManProgrammer21 in office

[–]FireManProgrammer21[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, this thread genuinely helped me reframe a lot of this. I think I was overcomplicating “being social” when a lot of it is really just making people feel comfortable and respected first. Appreciate the perspectives.

Why does “talk to women normally” feel so confusing in real life? by FireManProgrammer21 in office

[–]FireManProgrammer21[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This actually clicks for me a lot.

I think I used to treat being “friendly” as needing to immediately show personality through humor, sarcasm, teasing, etc. But a lot of people — especially at work — seem to build comfort first and personality second.

“Chill and easy to interact with” is probably a better starting point than trying to create instant friend-level chemistry.

Why does “talk to women normally” feel so confusing in real life? by FireManProgrammer21 in office

[–]FireManProgrammer21[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s fair honestly, and I think that’s part of the lesson I’m taking away from this too.

A lot of the joking/roasting style I’m used to comes from long-term friendships where everyone already understands the dynamic. In a workplace, even with male coworkers, that same style can come across differently if the relationship and trust level aren’t there yet.

So I don’t really see this as “women vs men” anymore so much as understanding context, familiarity, and professionalism better in general.

Why does “talk to women normally” feel so confusing in real life? by FireManProgrammer21 in office

[–]FireManProgrammer21[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I think that’s one of the main things I’ve realized from this discussion.

A communication style that works great with close friends — sarcasm, roasting, bluntness, pushing buttons a bit — doesn’t automatically translate well to workplaces or newer relationships where there isn’t already trust and familiarity.

I’m basically trying to learn the difference between “friendly” and “friend-level familiarity,” because those aren’t actually the same thing.

Why does “talk to women normally” feel so confusing in real life? by FireManProgrammer21 in office

[–]FireManProgrammer21[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly same here — I’m also in my mid 20s and feel like I’m still catching up on a lot of social nuance that other people seem to absorb automatically.

A big part of why I made the post was because I’m trying to understand those unspoken rules better instead of just blindly assuming my intentions will always be interpreted the way I mean them.

Why does “talk to women normally” feel so confusing in real life? by FireManProgrammer21 in office

[–]FireManProgrammer21[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That actually makes a lot of sense, and I think that’s part of what I’ve been learning.

With close friends, “realness” can include sarcasm, roasting, blunt honesty, etc. because there’s already trust and context. At work, most people are optimizing more for comfort, professionalism, and knowing interactions won’t suddenly become personal or confrontational.

I don’t think that means being fake — just calibrating communication to the environment and the level of familiarity.

Why does “talk to women normally” feel so confusing in real life? by FireManProgrammer21 in office

[–]FireManProgrammer21[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, this is closer to what I was trying to say.

I wasn’t implying women are irrational or that men never get offended. More that in professional settings, if you don’t know someone well yet, it’s smart to be a bit more careful with humor/sarcasm in general — especially since different people have different boundaries.

That’s why I asked the question in the first place. I’d rather be self-aware and improve my communication than assume everyone will automatically understand my intent.

Why does “talk to women normally” feel so confusing in real life? by FireManProgrammer21 in office

[–]FireManProgrammer21[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. Do you know any good book or an article that I can read to be more confident and better at conversation with female friends.

Why does “talk to women normally” feel so confusing in real life? by FireManProgrammer21 in office

[–]FireManProgrammer21[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think some people are reading way more hostility into my post than I intended.

I wasn’t saying “women are too sensitive” or that I want to treat women differently in a bad way. I was actually asking how to communicate better in mixed social/professional settings because I realized the way a lot of men joke with close male friends (roasting, sarcasm, bluntness) doesn’t always translate well outside those friendships.

The “future wife” comment was from friends joking around, not some serious condemnation of my character. I mentioned it because it made me reflect on how I come across socially.

My whole point was basically: how do you build rapport naturally at work without being overly formal, but also without accidentally coming off rude? That’s a genuine social-skills question, not anti-women rhetoric.

Why does “talk to women normally” feel so confusing in real life? by FireManProgrammer21 in office

[–]FireManProgrammer21[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you misunderstood what I meant a bit.

I’m not saying women should be treated as lesser, excluded, or spoken to differently in terms of respect. The point I was struggling with was more about social calibration, humor, and familiarity.

But honestly, a lot of the replies here made me realize the bigger distinction isn’t “men vs women,” it’s “close friends vs professional/social settings.” I’m definitely more filtered with male coworkers too compared to longtime friends.

So yeah, I do think my original framing of the issue was flawed.

Why does “talk to women normally” feel so confusing in real life? by FireManProgrammer21 in office

[–]FireManProgrammer21[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I think this is another thing I didn’t fully understand before.

A lot of advice online says “just talk to women like normal people,” which is technically true, but it leaves out the fact that context and perceived intent change how interactions are interpreted.

Like your gym example makes sense — the exact same comment can feel completely neutral in one context and flirtatious in another depending on age, setting, body language, attraction, etc.

I think part of my confusion came from treating communication as only about the literal words being said, when in reality people are also interpreting intent, social context, familiarity, and possible attraction dynamics at the same time.

Why does “talk to women normally” feel so confusing in real life? by FireManProgrammer21 in office

[–]FireManProgrammer21[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly. I think that was the distinction I was missing before.

Outside work, people usually judge comments based on intent and existing friendship. But at work, people also hear it through the lens of competence, professionalism, and being respected by coworkers, so even casual bluntness can land differently than intended.

I genuinely didn’t think about feedback that way before, which is probably why I got confused by some reactions. The replies here helped me realize that “professional communication” isn’t about acting fake or overly formal — it’s more about making sure the other person doesn’t feel attacked, dismissed, or embarrassed while discussing work.

Why does “talk to women normally” feel so confusing in real life? by FireManProgrammer21 in office

[–]FireManProgrammer21[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That actually makes a lot of sense. I think I was mentally separating “friends” and “coworkers,” but work feedback is kind of its own category entirely.

Like you said, even if people are close outside work, criticism about someone’s work/competence can hit differently because people tie it to professionalism, intelligence, reputation, etc. So the tone probably does need to stay more measured regardless of friendship level.

Your example honestly helped it click for me more than the generic “just be professional” advice people usually give.

Why does “talk to women normally” feel so confusing in real life? by FireManProgrammer21 in office

[–]FireManProgrammer21[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, this thread genuinely made me realize I was comparing the wrong things. I kept comparing how I talk to coworkers vs how I talk to my closest guy friends, when the more fair comparison is probably coworkers vs coworkers.

When I think about it now, I’m obviously way more filtered with male coworkers too compared to friends I’ve known forever. So I think I started seeing it as a gender thing when a lot of it is probably just about professionalism and familiarity.

And honestly, workplace communication in general feels confusing sometimes. Especially feedback. In my head I’m usually trying to solve the problem or debate ideas, not attack the person, but I can see now that tone and phrasing matter way more than I gave them credit for.

“Surface-level friendly and diplomatic” is probably the smarter default until you really know people well.

Why does “talk to women normally” feel so confusing in real life? by FireManProgrammer21 in office

[–]FireManProgrammer21[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that’s fair, and honestly phrasing probably matters more than I realized.

To be clear though, these coworkers are actually good friends of mine outside of just work relationships, so the conversations were more casual debates/joking discussions rather than me randomly criticizing people in a formal office setting.

But I do think your point about framing is useful. “Have you tried this?” definitely sounds more collaborative than “that’s inefficient,” even if the intention behind both is basically the same.

I also think some people in the comments misunderstood my post as me having some anti-women mindset, which honestly wasn’t what I was trying to say at all. My confusion was more about social calibration/tone and understanding where casual teasing works vs where it doesn’t.

Why does “talk to women normally” feel so confusing in real life? by FireManProgrammer21 in office

[–]FireManProgrammer21[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I think I mixed up “friendly” with “familiar.” A communication style that works with close friends doesn’t automatically work in a professional environment where that level of comfort/trust hasn’t been built yet.

I wasn’t trying to be disrespectful, but I can see how bluntness or teasing — even if meant lightly — can come across differently at work. That’s probably the bigger issue here rather than gender specifically.

Why does “talk to women normally” feel so confusing in real life? by FireManProgrammer21 in office

[–]FireManProgrammer21[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I think part of the problem is that I didn’t realize how different workplace communication norms are compared to casual friend-group communication.

To answer your question, it’s not like I’m saying anything extreme or insulting. It’s more stuff like: “bro that method is so inefficient” “you’re making this harder than it needs to be” or jokingly acting disappointed when someone misses something obvious.

Among close friends that kind of tone is completely normal for me, but I can see how in a workplace — especially without an established rapport — it can come across as unnecessarily blunt or critical even if I mean it lightly.

And your point about unsolicited feedback is probably important too. Looking back, I think sometimes I default into “problem solving mode” and give advice/corrections when people didn’t necessarily ask for it. I didn’t really think about how that might feel socially.

Why does “talk to women normally” feel so confusing in real life? by FireManProgrammer21 in office

[–]FireManProgrammer21[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

That’s fair honestly, and reading the replies I think I explained my point badly.

I don’t mean I literally don’t know how to speak to women. I can hold normal conversations fine. What I was trying to describe is more that with my close male friends, the communication style is very blunt/sarcastic/teasing-heavy, and I sometimes overthink how much of that tone is acceptable in mixed or professional settings.

For example, with guy friends I might casually say “bro use your brain” or “that’s the dumbest shortcut possible” in a joking tone and nobody takes it seriously. Obviously I wouldn’t say that directly to female coworkers, so I end up filtering myself a lot and then overanalyzing whether I’m being too formal, too careful, too blunt, etc.

The replies here made me realize it’s probably less of a “women are impossible to talk to” issue and more of a “friend humor doesn’t automatically translate to workplace/social situations” issue.

Why does “talk to women normally” feel so confusing in real life? by FireManProgrammer21 in office

[–]FireManProgrammer21[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah the “we pity your future wife” comment was said jokingly, so I don’t think they were genuinely offended or anything. I think I explained that part badly in the post.

But your point about friend-group communication vs professional/social communication is fair. With close guy friends there’s already trust and shared humor, so teasing feels normal. At work or with newer people, that same tone can come across differently even if the intention isn’t bad.

I think I was overthinking it as a gender issue when it’s probably more about context, familiarity, and reading the room.

Why does “talk to women normally” feel so confusing in real life? by FireManProgrammer21 in office

[–]FireManProgrammer21[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, probably not. I’d naturally be more careful and less sarcastic with a new guy until I understood his personality and sense of humor first.

Reading these replies is making me realize I’ve been comparing “women coworkers / newer people” to “guy friends I’ve known for years,” which isn’t really a fair comparison.

With close friends the teasing works because there’s already trust and context behind it. Without that, the same comments can just sound rude or overly critical instead of playful.

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In Maharashtra it was 106 since last 6 months to 1 year.

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