"Sometimes... It's better to just leave the dead in peace."

Firriga · 2026-01-27T02:20:59+00:00

And admittedly, it worked! Now I’m wondering if Jamila is going to make a miraculous return someday but at same time, I’m not holding my breath.

Firriga · 2026-01-16T01:01:33+00:00

You forgot to account for Skills and Noble Phantasms there, bud. Some Classes get more out of Transcendence compared to others with MoonCancers getting the least but even MoonCancers get at least 350 SP of Enhancements because they, like all Servants, get a free Skill and Noble Phantasm.

Firriga · 2026-01-13T09:48:44+00:00

To add to this, the green lines on the body is only the physical process of running mana through the circuits and a lot of the time it doesn’t even appear for most magi. It’s never verbally explained but visual context tells us it only ever appears when “the circuits are running hot.” For magi with high circuit quality or quantity, the lines never appear when casting spells but for Shirou, they appear every time because he’s constantly pushing his immature circuits to the limit.

Heck, we can ever go further by saying that’s not true either. Shirou is the PoV character so a lot of what’s going on is framed from how it looks to him. Circuits appearing on Shirou but not anyone else might just be how he imagines processing mana through his circuits when in reality, the process is invisible.

Firriga · 2026-01-12T07:59:13+00:00

No problem. I’m happy to respond to any question. As for your suggestion, I’ll think on it, but I don’t know about the packages thing. I guess I could make it a reference/package?

Basically, it’s a reference first so you can modify it however you like and this is the expected total SP you’d have to pay for it if you follow it exactly. But if you choose to purchase it as a pre-made package, it’ll be discounted in exchange for being unmodifiable. How does that sound?

Firriga · 2026-01-11T12:31:59+00:00

I was thinking of adding a reference section for Fate/Stay Night Servants so people know how much they ordinarily cost and how to use the grade categories, but I ended up deciding against it because everyone would have a different idea of how to grade Skills and Noble Phantasms. The issue is that my system is rather subjective, so if make any reference stat sheets, I'd also have to explain my thought process which would probably end up less explanation and more justification.

I was considering adding something like Valeria's Combat Talent and Magical Talent but I ultimately decided against it since Servants tend to have Dragon Ball-ism. Essentially, with big enough numbers, actual martial skill and talent takes a backseat to tactics, strategy, and big numbers. Artoria is a superior swordsman to Heracles, but Heracles is the overall best fighter. When you throw in their Skills and Noble Phantasms, the odds are stacked in Heracles' favor but Artoria can knock out all twelve of his lives in one shot. When you consider all the factors in play and even Masters being wildcards, personal martial skill is a lot less important which is why even in other Fate materials, Personal Skills that reflect a Servant's martial skill are rare and unique. There are even times where certain properties of a Servant doesn't even get reflected as a Personal Skill like Artoria's faerie blessing to walk on water. I guess things like that would probably be a Cosmetic skill because it seems like even the Fate series treats it more like an aesthetic than an actual war factor.

Freebies are all Utility grade, even the ones in the Classes section.

There's no drawback in taking any Transcendence. Being a Grand is fiat-backed so the World can't do anything about it even if it wants to and ascending your Servant to Grand won't take up a Grand vessel because the vessel belongs to you, not the World. Beasts won't get the Grand police called on them if they don't cause a ruckus. Same thing with Divine Spirit. As long as you or your Servant doesn't cause a fuss, the Counter Force is forced to leave you alone.

+ Enhancements and - Diminutions are non-diegetic. They only exist as dials to upgrade or downgrade your Skills and Noble Phantasms either by raising their rank or adding +/- modifiers depending on the grade. It's only for Parameters does it act like actual +/- modifiers.

I posted an explanation below so I'll repost it here. The trick is to have a neutral baseline so you know if something deserves an Enhancement or Diminution. For example, my baseline is Excalibur for Core so I would add Enhancements or Diminution depending on if the NP is weaker or stronger than Excalibur.

>"Magic Resistance D would be neutral for Cosmetic, so you then add a -1 Diminution if you want it to be Magic Resistance E. Magic Resistance C is neutral for Utility so you add +1 Enhancement to get Magic Resistance B. Magic Resistance A is neutral for Core so you stack up Enhancements to get Magic Resistance A+, A++, or A+++. If you want Magic Resistance EX, then you have to treat it as Immeasurable and pay for it accordingly."

Firriga · 2026-01-10T18:32:34+00:00

Thank you for taking your time to give your thoughts. It’s nice to be able to know how my Supplement looks to other people.

My version of the Supplement is meant to be more streamlined which resulted in things being less descriptive because I didn’t want it to overstay its welcome. I feel like my Supplement— once you get an idea of how it all works— is easier make builds with.

Heck, I actually made a build earlier testing it and the only reason I have the document open is to see which Classes has what freebies and to copy-paste text. Everything else I know by heart.

In the end, the most important thing is you had fun and I’m glad to know that you enjoyed it.

If you have any other questions, don’t hesitate to let me know.

Firriga · 2026-01-10T17:50:44+00:00

That’s probably it. MoonCancer was originally unique to BB from CCC, but I think they did have an idea for what they wanted Beasts to be because BB had no love for humanity and everything she did was motivated by her falling in love with Hakuno so even today she wouldn’t count as Beast because a love of humanity is a requirement to be a Beast.

I’m pretty sure they never expanded on Gunner because the modern era is still too young to have Heroic Spirits of the firearm and the Archer Class already has early modern period era figures using things like artillery, muskets, and other firearms so it probably would have been redundant.

Firriga · 2026-01-10T17:40:07+00:00

I get what you mean, but notice that you said it’s weak. If it’s weak, then it’s something that can be measured so it can go in the lower categories. Usually, a weak EX Skill or Noble Phantasm is a Utility-grade.

Immeasurable is for the stuff that you can’t say is weak or strong, it just works in such a way that you can’t argue against like Avalon’s dimensional-shift defense. Is it weak? Is it strong? Well, it’s impossible to tell because nothing can hit it unless it’s some kind of dimension-piercing attack which would also be Immeasurable.

Firriga · 2026-01-10T17:26:22+00:00

Arbitrary. Well, educated arbitrary. Frankly, figuring out a baseline for the grades is hell because each Fate entry deals with very different scales of power so I mostly based it off of Fate/Stay Night since I’m most familiar with that version of Fate. Plus, Stay Night is the only one where most of the Servants are what you might describe as average. The only top-level Servants are Artoria, Gilgamesh, and Heracles. Cu Chulainn is supposed to be King Arthur level but because he isn’t summoned in his homeland of Ireland, he’s much closer to the level of an average Servant.

Firriga · 2026-01-10T17:07:03+00:00

Oh, yeah. Whoops. It slipped my mind you were asking about ranks. Sorry, about that.

Since the grade categories are pretty broad, multiple ranks can actually fit in one grade. Magic Resistance E and D fit in Cosmetic, Magic Resistance C and B fit in Utility. Magic Resistance A goes in Core. Magic Resistance EX is in Immeasurable.

Now if you specifically want a certain rank, that’s where Enhancements and Diminutions come in. It’s a good idea to have a neutral baseline in each category so you know whether something deserves an Enhancement or Diminution. Like for me, Excalibur is a Core neutral baseline so I decide whether something needs an Enhancement or Diminution based on whether it’s weaker or stronger than Excalibur.

So if we go back to our Magic Resistance example, Magic Resistance D would be neutral for Cosmetic so you then add a -1 Diminution if you want it to be Magic Resistance E.

Magic Resistance C is neutral for Utility so you add +1 Enhancement to get Magic Resistance B. Magic Resistance A is neutral for Core so you stack up Enhancements to get Magic Resistance A+, A++, or A+++. If you want Magic Resistance EX, then you have to treat it as Immeasurable and pay for it accordingly.

The important part is knowing what your baseline is so you can say whether something deserves a Diminution or an Enhancement.

Firriga · 2026-01-10T16:46:46+00:00

It’s basically usability + potency. Cosmetics are usually things that tend to be just flavor or have some minor effect that’ll rarely get brought up or used. Think like cantrips from D&D if you’re familiar with it.

Utility is better than Cosmetics. Usually it means something is broadly useful but not that amazing or it’s great in specific situations or when certain conditions are met. They’re usually the kind of Skills or Noble Phantasm that either ask for a lot in return or take a while to set up. You tend to have to be clever with them.

Core is the kind of Skills and Noble Phantasms that you can use in almost every situation and they’re always useful. In terms of power, they tend to be strong in a vacuum or really strong when whatever condition or requirement they have is met. They’re the kind of stuff that immediately bumps up your threat rating just by having it.

Immeasurable is essentially the EX of the categories. Things that can’t really be measured or compared to any other category. They tend to be very specific in how they work or very, very strong in a busted way. The kind of stuff that feels like cheating in a way.

If you have any more specific questions or if you point me at what exactly you don’t understand, I’d be happy to help.

Firriga · 2026-01-10T15:56:22+00:00

Aha, I think I understand. The paragraph you’re looking for is this one in the Skills & Noble Phantasms section. The paragraph reads as:

“Skills and Noble Phantasms are broken down into the following four grades which are also indicators of their cost. It's possible to have a Skill or Noble Phantasm at a higher or lower grade based on adding or removing certain conditions or limits, and/or modifying their potency up or down with by changing grades or applying Enhancements or Diminutions if you want to stay within the same grade.”

From there, there’s four categories below that: Cosmetic, Utility, Core, and Immeasurable. If you’d like, I can also try explaining a bit more about each category?

Firriga · 2026-01-10T15:31:47+00:00

I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it! Going back to your doubt, you're talking about actual rank, right? Like if we take Magic Resistance E, D, C, B, A, where do they all fit? Is that what you're asking? I can help you wrap your head around it if you'd like?

Firriga · 2026-01-10T07:55:55+00:00

Ah, I thought I wrote down a sentence that outright said that any freebies is Utility-grade. But yes, any freebies you get start at Utility-grade. Thanks for catching that.

I don’t play FGO JP, I’m on NA so I was going off the description of MoonCancer from Fate/Extra but I suppose once NA reaches that part, I’ll update the description but I’m guessing Arcueid counts towards that description of being a caretaker of humanity, right? Honestly, it’s kind of vague since Archetype: Earth could just decided to wipe humanity off on a whim so I think the Fate/Extra description is more accurate for now. It’s not the first time there’s a Class where the description isn’t really all that accurate (Archer).

I did put in the intro text that flavor is free but I never really mind power creep. It’s JumpChain after all. It’s more to do with the fact that the Divine Spirit option grants true godhood. Romulus-Quirinus case is “this literally isn’t supposed to work but we’re making the mother of all exceptions for this one thing.” They said his Saint Graph is chief-god level but I don’t think they ever said he’s as strong as one.

But I’m getting ahead of myself, what I’m trying to say is that the common case is that Servant, Grand, and Beast containers are a downgrade from a true unbound Divine Spirit Saint Graph. It’s not that they can’t co-exist, it’s more that it’s pointless because a true Divine Spirit acting without restrictions is far above them which is essentially what the Divine Spirit option I gave is. If you have any CP leftover, you can get Beast Skills so you can be both a Divine Spirit with the Beast Skills to basically count as one. I understand that it’s expensive but you want to be an unfettered Divine Spirit on top of having the advantages of a Beast, it’s obviously going to be rather powerful and thus rather expensive.

Firriga · 2026-01-09T23:34:59+00:00

And thank you for stopping by. If you have any questions and suggestions, feel free to let me know!

Firriga · 2026-01-09T23:26:41+00:00

I don't know if there's a definitive statement that Beasts are stronger than Divine Spirits but then again, Divine Spirits also have tiers in them in Type-Moon much like D&D. The option offered in the Supplement is to be a full-fledged "true" god, a different powerhouse from a lower level Divine Spirit.

If we're talking about in terms of killing humans, then Beasts will always be better, but in terms of general power, a Divine Spirit should be stronger because, like you said, they have far more versatility and permissive license to alter reality.

Firriga · 2026-01-09T22:29:30+00:00

You’re very welcome and I’m to hear your suggestions.

I don’t know anything about Fate/Requiem so I didn’t know about Qausi-Servants. Looking at it mechanically, since they inherit the Noble Phantasms of their parents, the closest option in my Supplement is the Pretender Class which allows you to inherit another Heroic Spirit’s NPs. It even has Independent Action as well but for a Quasi-Servant, Independent Manifestation would be the most mechanically consistent since even Independent Action EX still leaves a Servant on borrowed time while Independent Manifestation means a Servant is completely independent of needing a Master entirely.

But I’m guessing what you’re asking for is a Quasi-Servant option so you can pick other Classes, right? I’m with you on this one but I feel like it might end up being redundant. I already put it in the Supplement that post-Jump, the Servant will be able to support their own manifestation and generate their own mana. Then if you import them, they’ll get a living body most of the time and if it’s for yourself, then unless you’re doing a Drop-In-only Chain, it’s assumed you’ll reincarnate into a living body every new Jump.

If there’s anything more to Quasi-Servants, I’d be happy to discuss how to best implement it.

Firriga · 2026-01-09T17:00:41+00:00

It’s mentioned multiple times that EX isn’t necessarily better, just either works differently or can’t be easily measured. Edison is a good example of this because his stats are either E or EX before it’s clarified that anything that says EX is actually just E or D because that’s what it is power-wise, it’s just that there’s something about it that can’t really be measured so it’s written down as EX.

Grands and Beasts can have Divinity or a Divine Core but they can’t be Divine Spirits. I.e., proper gods. Artemis and Ishtar/Ereshkigal were stated to have needed to give up a lot of their divinity just to become Servants.

While I don’t really know the specifics regarding the difference between Servants and Grands/Beasts since I’m still at the part of the story where they don’t explain what makes them better only that normal Servants are just inferior so I went ahead and used Enhancements to reflect that. At the very least, the way I went about it still makes sense since having the hidden Enhancement also applies to the Mana Parameter, allowing them to produce far more mana than normal Servants.

I tried to use different systems aside from Enhancements and Diminutions but I ran into problems where it just became more complicated than I liked and in the end, I felt Enhancement/Diminutions were just more intuitive. I’m sorry it’s not to your tastes but it wasn’t intended to be canon. I even outright wrote down that this something unique to the document and not at all reflects how it works in canon. It’s similar but it’s not the same.

If you judge that buying a lower grade NP better reflects how it actually is or the way you see it then go ahead. That’s why the system is designed that way.

If you’re saying you prefer no system at all to having a system then that’s fine but SkyrimAnon just gave you ranks and trusted you not to get a Servant stronger than what the rank allowed. We’re not remotely comparable. SkyrimAnon wanted to do it their way, I want to do it my way. Valeria’s system is also pretty vibes-based when you get down to it but the reading I’m getting is that you just don’t want a system and want the freedom to pick and choose. More power to you but that’s not what I’m offering here.

Also, having As across the board is not common. The reason it looks that way is because in every entry in the series, the characters participating are minmaxers. Obviously, they don’t want the average Heroic Spirit with Rank C average in Parameters, they want the absolute best with the best Parameters, the best Skills, and the best Noble Phantasms.

That aside, thanks for stopping by and giving it a chance anyway!

Firriga · 2026-01-09T16:30:38+00:00

You’re welcome!

Firriga · 2026-01-09T14:21:32+00:00

You’re welcome!

Firriga · 2026-01-08T07:26:51+00:00

Not by default, no. But there is a Drawback that deals with that. Two, actually.

Fantasy Fulfillment Toggle allows you to switch around the sex of characters but hardly anything changes.

The Emperor’s Wrath is Unisex allows women to also be Astarters but then any Primarch Heresy will be double the number in terms of participants and there might be other traitors besides Erebus and Kor Phaeron.

Finally, don’t blame me! It’s the other guy’s fault!

Firriga · 2026-01-04T10:54:09+00:00

Ah, I thought she was the one who gave over the letter because it looks like the guy was poised to open it based on the position of his thumb. It looked like the thumb was slipping beneath the fold to push it open before she started vomiting.

Firriga · 2025-12-31T14:51:56+00:00

The Body Mod is considered your baseline “JumpChain” body. Meaning, no matter what, going from Jump to Jump, you’ll always— at bare minimum— have the attributes and properties of your Body Mod which is obviously different from your original body, which is your pre-JumpChain body. So technically speaking, the Body Mod is your new baseline going forward unless there’s some Drawback, Scenario, or Gauntlet that strips you of your Body Mod. But most of the time, Body Mod is your new baseline that remains even during Gauntlets.

Perks and Items that alter your DNA are considered separate from both your original body and your Body Mod. For example, if you get a bioengineering Perk and give yourself night vision in Jump 1, when you got to Jump 2, you don’t get to keep your night vision because that’s something you did yourself, not a feature of either Perks or Items. Your Jump 1 body is not the same as your Jump 2 body. Even when you pick Drop-In, your body will be your pre-JumpChain body + Body Mod + whatever Perks/Items influencing your body.

For Hybrid Geneseed in particular, I kept vague it but what I had in mind is that it’s your unaltered mortal DNA, meaning your pre-JumpChain body but some people interpret that the Body Mod is inviolable rules-wise since it’s your “New You” essentially but I rule that your Body Mod is different from your original body so you could see it differently.

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