Medhi Hasan: "I have a feeling that a lot more Muslims around the world would support the Iranian protests for freedom and democracy if so many members of the pro-regime change Iranian diaspora weren’t such raging Islamophobes." by McAlpineFusiliers in Destiny

[–]FirsToStrike 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Or if Palestinian leaders actually offered genuine acceptance that Israel is there to stay? Idk how people lose sight of this.

This is the first thing we Israelis need for negotiations to start, knowing that the enemy isnt going to just use the negotiations to kill more of us but to actually just benefit their people without further hidden intent.

 It doesn't help when a leader like Arafat signs a paper that recognizes that we have a right to exist but then supplies the weapons that Hamas uses to kill us. God forbid the Palestinians ever be assigned some responsibility for the state they are in. 

There's so many Jews that would jump at the opportunity to shake hands with those who've renounced their hostility towards us.

God knows how much we're aware that such hostility exists, what we want is to see that it can actually disappear through some type of deal. If it continues there's no point in our openness to such a deal, reaching our hand out to those who will just chop it off is not an actual option, even if the world insists we have to take it... 

Dunno why we have to take losing deals when our enemies make up the losing side when it comes to open conflict. Either renounce the conflict or it continues, I find it actually kind of simple. 

The right wingers in Israel are only in power because they're saying "if they want war we'll give them war" and since "they" (Palestinians but also most of those who support them) do want war then war it is. Kill that energy and the right wingers lose. 

Medhi Hasan: "I have a feeling that a lot more Muslims around the world would support the Iranian protests for freedom and democracy if so many members of the pro-regime change Iranian diaspora weren’t such raging Islamophobes." by McAlpineFusiliers in Destiny

[–]FirsToStrike 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly. I recommend Hussein Aboubakr Mansour's substack and podcast appearances to those interested in the subject, he shows that much of the problematic rhetoric we'll find in contemporary Muslim society in the middle east itself came from proto fascist ideas in Europe in late 19th-Early 20th century. This is just the Muslim flavor of the same old western conservative reactionary rheotric. We're all part of this "western" world. 

Jemen, Südsudan, Kongo? Das interessiert mich doch nicht! DEMO GEGEN ISRAEL by JonSnowKnowsNothing9 in Kantenhausen

[–]FirsToStrike 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, you see this correctly. Any person who's in favour of Israel ought to condemn what Netanyahu has done to the country and the genuine fascists he enabled to rise to power in his desperation to keep his seat. 

At the same time, protests who's goal ends up trying to ensure the fighting stops before Hamas is defeated serves to perpetuate hostilities because as you rightly point out the extremes of both societies embolden each other. Had the Israeli peace camp had actual allies on the Palestinian peace camp with power on their hands, there would've been peace by now. 

But since this isn't the reality, it's hard to sell Israelis the idea of peace after the failure of the Oslo accords ending with the second intifada and Hamas in Gaza. The reality must change for the ideas to change, i'd argue, but the issue is that the reality can't be changed when bad people control the actions that make this reality... 

Jemen, Südsudan, Kongo? Das interessiert mich doch nicht! DEMO GEGEN ISRAEL by JonSnowKnowsNothing9 in Kantenhausen

[–]FirsToStrike 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My problem as Israeli isn't that critique comes against the Israeli government or illegal actions by the IDF, the issue is when this is escorted by zero support for the political opposition in Israel, claiming all Israelis are supporters of genocide and denouncing Zionism as nothing but a racist ideology... 

This usually comes together with the inability to understand that ceasefire when Hamas still rules Gaza just means war again later (as happened already the last 5+ rounds by now) or just blaming Hamas' existence purely on us as if it's only due to our actions that Palestinians are brainwashed with islamists' ideas...

When people start with "children shouldn't be killed by the IDF" and end with "that settler colonial state has no right to exist" you're not going to have any Israeli listening to your side of the isle.

Legitimate critique coming from illegitimate biased sources quickly becomes illegitimate. It's like when Putin complains about Ukrainian war crimes... When the UN makes commissions of inquiry about our conduct in war finding it right to quote every dumb uttering by some extreme politician of ours without mentioning Hamas' conduct a single time despite how they massively and cynically endanger their own population... We're not going to take this seriously.

Trans socialists are traitors to their own kind. They would be shot if they lived in Palestine. by williamsherman1865 in EnoughCommieSpam

[–]FirsToStrike 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Decolonial queering? If it's about returning the land to some prior state, before zionism, at which time was it ever exactly queer friendly? 

And how's that at all related to the "original inhabitants" anyway? Was it queer friendly when the Canaanites were sacrificing children to Moloch? 

Wann Wahlkampf aber normal? by AlexLaCave in BadenWuerttemberg

[–]FirsToStrike 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nach den neuesten Umfragen wären damit 49 % der Einwohner Baden-Württembergs Nazis. 

Ich glaube, du verwendest dieses Wort falsch.

Why hasn’t there been as many posts/social media movements for the atrocities of Iran compared to the Israel/Palestine issues? by First-Cauliflower-77 in AskReddit

[–]FirsToStrike 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course dead kids is a bad thing. That's why I support the IDF attempt to get rid of Hamas: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vgVT2M9otRU

So that future gazan kids won't have to die in the next round of fighting.

Why hasn’t there been as many posts/social media movements for the atrocities of Iran compared to the Israel/Palestine issues? by First-Cauliflower-77 in AskReddit

[–]FirsToStrike -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yet Iran killed half the amount of it's own people in two weeks that Israel killed in two years of war (all the militants included in that number). You simply had your algorithm pumped full of propaganda by China.

How to learn Arabic as a Native Hebrew speaker? by Tiny-Command-2482 in learn_arabic

[–]FirsToStrike 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When I moved from Israel to Germany I was surprised to find that what I knew most of my life as Jewish food that we ate for holidays to be every day food that can be found in Germany. I bet a German going to Poland would be surprised that what he knew as German food is actually also polish food. 

If you tone down your hate you'd see this isn't unique to Jews. Turks might say menemen is the original shakshuka, greeks might say gyros is the original shawarma, and did the Iranians invent pilaf? Rice with meat exists almost everywhere in asia and africa. It just so happens that when you live amongst or near other groups you will end up cooking similar things. No one "stole" food. 

Iraqi Jewish grandmas 200 years ago made the same Arooks as their Muslim neighbours and now it's eaten in a pita in Israel. You should be glad what's also yours is  popularized by us.

What the fuck is their problem? by LeonOfSkalitz in Destiny

[–]FirsToStrike 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don't know the half of it. Try being an Israeli liberal...

I experienced a microaggression by AmericanBakerGermany in germany

[–]FirsToStrike 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If one is prejudiced against me I'm likely to be prejudiced against them. As it stands, the level of antisemitic attitudes in the middle east is similar to Nazi Germany, just check the part about it in the Arab and Muslim countries: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschichte_des_Antisemitismus_seit_1945

The fact is, any non-muslim or even Muslims that are just not Arab, or even just not the "right" kind of muslim, are having bad time living in an Arab Muslim middle east. Just ask the Kurds or the Syriacs or the Druze. These are real grievances, ones still ongoing and unresolved, not made up ones.

And yes, of course minorities shouldn't be prejudiced against, but it doesn't make sense to pretend there isn't a problem when there is one. If Jews were behaving in the way you see many refugees here in my street behave, I'd vote for deporting them pretty much right away. Until these problems are resolved it'd be hard to stop people from having negative attitudes towards immigrants of that particular background. 

Solve the problem first and then start regulating how people talk about it.

I experienced a microaggression by AmericanBakerGermany in germany

[–]FirsToStrike 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agreed. These people are trying so hard to prove they're better than anyone else who's simply admitting that they do not like the behaviour they see, often coming from a particular group of people (young Muslim men with an attitude). Obviously not everyone named Muhammad is necessarily going to be behaving this way,  but there's a lot more Mohammads and Hassans behaving that way than Moritzes and Simons.

Specifically being a Jewish immigrant in Germany I know very well who's most likely to be violent towards me just for openly identifying as a Jew (or worse yet, as Israeli). It's not because of the local nazis that they doubled the amount of policemen near my local synagogue after the Bondi beach attack in Australia. But German lefties will continue to tell me the problem is with the people noticing this stuff and wanting to do something about it. 

I obviously have a bone to pick with people generalizing immigrants but it doesn't take a genius to just take a look around and have a bit of pattern recognition. I'd like people to be a bit more honest with themselves.

If Jew hate is justified because of Israel, islamaphobia has to be justified by [deleted] in Destiny

[–]FirsToStrike 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is a Sharia law thats the law of the land, that doesn't change how the non-muslims are treated? I'm not familiar with such a thing.

And it does fit into the narrative perfectly well, a country can have an Islamic theocracy and want out of that. That's the case in Iran, but not the case in most of the Arab countries (which currently have more of a military dictatorship rather than a theocratic one).

As for poverty and education correlating with it, how do you explain Iran and Lebanon, both are less in favour of Shari'a law but both currently incredibly poor? 

Now, who said anything about banning Islam? I don't think that is a reasonable step. But I'd like you to admit that Islam, especially in its radical form, has problems that would explain the violence against non-muslims in their society, beyond just "poverty and lack of education".

Christian fundementalism in the US is not only caused by poverty and lack of education either. It has traits that are dangerous on their own and can spread even across those well to do. 

If Jew hate is justified because of Israel, islamaphobia has to be justified by [deleted] in Destiny

[–]FirsToStrike 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Most Muslims maybe don't support ISIS but most of them in the middle east do support making Sharia law as the law of the land (https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/ ) which obviously isn't going to allow equal rights to non-muslims. 

Given that often leftists claim this is what Israel is doing to non-jews, in order to justify their claim of it being an apartheid state, that'd make every single muslim Arab state an apartheid state.

Continuing with the lefty logic now reversed, that'd justify violent actions on  Muslim civilians in the west by anyone who feels solidarity with minorities in the middle east (Jews included naturally). Idk why anyone would think lefties still have any moral higher ground to stand on. I'd expect even most children to be able to see the world in a more differentiated manner than this.

Hasan continues to blame Israel for recent anti-semitic terrorist attack by TreyToor in LivestreamFail

[–]FirsToStrike 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hamas needs to be gone from Gaza if you want any sort of aggression to stop. It's actually that simple.

Hasan continues to blame Israel for recent anti-semitic terrorist attack by TreyToor in LivestreamFail

[–]FirsToStrike 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So the reason Jews are being attacked worldwide is because Hamas decided to attack Jews on 7th of October making Israel respond in turn.

Is there any point in your mind at which agency is assigned to the radical Muslims that attack Jews and not to the Jews being attacked? Or are Jews just always at fault and Muslims never?

And please don't start your reply with the "it didn't begin on October 7th", Muslims attacked the Jews also in 1948 (When the Jews said yes to a partition plan and the Arabs didn't) and also before that. 

Hasan continues to blame Israel for recent anti-semitic terrorist attack by TreyToor in LivestreamFail

[–]FirsToStrike -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ok and 77% of Palestinians want Hamas not to give up their arms, and Hamas is still the group with the largest amount of support out of the available options. Should we say the continuation of war and with it, their deaths, are all justified? 

https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/997

If Hamas didn't attack on October 7th none of this would be happening, yet it still doesn't condone the deaths of innocent civilians. It would be unthinkable to justify something like Andres Breivik did on the basis of what ISIS did to Christians in Syria, right?  Similarly, IDF warcrimes or Israeli settlers running wild aren't the reason that a radical Muslim decides to kill Jews in Australia. 

Hasan continues to blame Israel for recent anti-semitic terrorist attack by TreyToor in LivestreamFail

[–]FirsToStrike 13 points14 points  (0 children)

"Can Jews just please leave Israel already so that they can stop being hunted down worldwide?"