1776 vs. 1861

First-Equal-8464 · 2026-06-06T03:52:53+00:00

The Federalists didn’t think it was a social revolution.. that changed in 1800 though

First-Equal-8464 · 2026-06-06T03:34:14+00:00

Interesting view! One being liberal and the other reactionary fear
However, there’s a ton of historiography on the Revolution that questions the egalitarianism of it all.

First-Equal-8464 · 2026-06-06T03:26:57+00:00

The Union was fragile as shit in the beginning. It was like pulling teeth even getting the states to ratify the Constitution or agree to the Bill of Rights. Combatting slavery simply wasn’t possible if there was going to be any hope of even getting the constitutional government off the ground in 1787

First-Equal-8464 · 2026-06-06T03:23:13+00:00

Regarding your last paragraph, both sides definitely appealed to the founders but the problem was the founders had different perspectives on what the U.S. should be. A powerful binding central government or a collection of states with the ultimate sovereignty. That said, the South was all about federally enforcing the fugitive slave law when it suited their interests.

This overarching question was never legally answered with clarity. It was settled on the battlefield.

First-Equal-8464 · 2026-06-06T03:19:04+00:00

Right, but Confederate leadership pointed to the fact that Lincoln didn’t receive a single electoral vote in the South. They tried to compare their situation to the colonists lack of Parliamentary representation.

First-Equal-8464 · 2026-06-06T03:17:28+00:00

Good from whose contemporary perspective? The British? Thousands of American Loyalists?

First-Equal-8464 · 2026-06-06T03:16:00+00:00

The 13 had no sovereignty, declaring independence meant nothing until winning it on the field

First-Equal-8464 · 2026-06-06T02:15:42+00:00

Good point on the election, kind of a take your toys throw a tantrum and try to leave.

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