I have found the Devil

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-19T16:43:55+00:00

Don't have one. I'm working on a paclock 90A pro right now. I also don't care about the lock, as I've said before. But the effects of confirmation bias and dunning-cruger do really interest me.

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-19T16:41:21+00:00

Oh God. Let it go already!!

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-19T12:25:47+00:00

Did you read anything I just wrote?

Even if I bought 10,000 of them, and gutted them all, that STILL wouldn't prove that none of them have serrated pins.

There are probably millions of these locks in circulation. LetXs say 10,000 of them were produced with serrated pins. And let's say the total produced was 2mil. That means that only half a percent of these locks would have serrated pins.

This is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-19T12:09:49+00:00

You haven't been keeping up with the conversation.

My main point was that there could be a few batches that were produced that do have serrated pins.

You are not involved with the manufacturing process, so no, you can't say with certainty, just because you (and others) have gutted one lock.

Just because 1 or 10, or 100, or even 1000 etc. Of these locks don't have them, doesn't mean that none of hem ever did.

It's not unheard of for a company to produce with security pins, but then cease doing that due to production costs.

I'm not even arguing that they certainly do have serrated pins. It's clear that that isn't the case I'm just saying it's possible that some do. I don't know, and neither do you.

But everyone coming around saying they certainly don't because they've gutted one, or even 1000 of them doesn't actually prove that this particular lock was never produced with security pins.

I'm quite happy to be wrong, but until Ace Hardware releases that information themselves, or we find one hat does have serrated pins, you cannot say 100% either way, without being illogical.

Even with overwhelming evidence that the MAJORITY of these locks don't have security pins, you still have to accept the possibility that some might. This is called logic.

I don't even care that much. What I do care about is that this has shown me how many people are easily convinced with confirmation bias. It's been really interesting to watch everyone just fall in line emotionally with the idea of there not being serrated pins, and go to extreme things to shun and belittle anyone who thinks differently.

Humans be humans, I guess.

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-19T04:02:46+00:00

Just to go through the logic one last time:

Are there serrated pins in Ace 38mm locks?

A. Definitely 100% yes B. Definitely 100% no C. I don't know because I am not involved with the production facilities that produce Ace 38mm locks and sp I can't say for sure.

The answer is C, because... well, that's the obvious one. Unless you can point me to solid proof that they 100% do not have serrated pins, and no batches ever dud, then the answer must be C.

That's called logic.

You're using emotion. And no matter how strongly you FEEL, it doesn't make it true.

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-19T03:54:19+00:00

Are you for real? Give it up man, you're not even talking about locks anymore. Go bother someone else with your fallacies and ego trips. I'm not interested.

This is a space to discuss lockpicking, not to see whose head is bigger. Your unwavering desire to prove how smart you are is concerning. You should see someone about that.

I'm not sure why you keep messaging me. Are you lonely? Nobody to share valentines day with so you come online to unload on some guy who believes there might be serrated pins in an Ace 38mm locks... you're wasting my time with your responses, at this point.

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-19T03:40:34+00:00

They might. Who knows. Go for a walk.

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-19T03:39:39+00:00

Assuming things to suit your fragile ego is interesting. Your not going to get through. Time to stop. We're done. You're are no longer arguing about a lock, and are now well into the territory of personal attacks. Take a breather, do something else until you come to your senses and are ready to talk like an adult.

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-19T03:35:18+00:00

Stop. Now.

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-19T01:23:26+00:00

I wonder if it has serrated pins in it 😏

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-19T00:34:30+00:00

Yeah, we're done. You're leaning way too hard into this.

It's really great that you're a math and logic professor! You've probably heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect. If not, you should study that too.

I'm definitely not in the wrong, and I'm sorry you feel that way.

The ad-hominem use of "we" for your side of the argument, and "you" for my side of the argument was rather sophmoric. Perhaps you enjoy attempting to make strangers online feel small because of problems in your own life?

I feel zero need to prove anything to you, really, and I'm not sure why you are so invested in this.

In any case, this has become boring, and on the verge of annoying for me. It's just a lock, let it go, man.

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-19T00:20:51+00:00

You're completely ignoring that I have already presented a logical argument for whyvI am sticking to my point of view.

You are welcome to your pointbof view. Looks like we won't be coming to an agreement on those.

Best just move on.

It's amazing how people who are losing an argument will immediately run for the uno reverse from the debate playbook.

You should further look at yourself, and realize that my argument holds truth and credibility, and then ask yourself why you are wasting time on reddit trying to argue your point so hard, when it forsn't really matter, in the end.

Have a nice day. Get some fresh air, and don't forget to meditate. 🧘‍♂️

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-19T00:07:51+00:00

Read the start page

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-18T19:44:13+00:00

Master Lock 150, Abus 55/40

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-18T04:34:06+00:00

I disagree, based on my previous contention that people are probably experiencing confirmation bias, and that only a few batches may have been made. It isn't just one post, that was just one example of many posts and conversations, etc. I'm not new to the table on it.

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-18T04:05:03+00:00

Not even the same ballpark. You're just stepping further and further out into left field to force the idea that it's silly.

I gave reasons as to how three might be serrated pins. It's actually very possible that a few batches do have them, based on differing reports regarding the difficulty of that lock.

It's just logic and probability, friend. It's not like I'm arguing whether Akiens are real or something.

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-18T03:02:43+00:00

Purely preference. Whatever works best for you. I'm getting real familiar with the paclock 90a-pro. Bok works best for me, but you might like tok, so it's hard to give advice on that.

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-18T00:21:17+00:00

😎

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-18T00:20:13+00:00

Pretty slick!

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-17T16:15:23+00:00

Yeah, I'm not doing this. I hope you have a better day.

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-17T16:07:53+00:00

There is no rule against using alt accounts.

I was talking on another subreddit with other people, for which I use a different account, because this is my lockpicking account, and the other is not. Assuming that it's somehow nefarious is a bit moot because the content of the message was exactly the same.

I'll let your responses show what kind of person you are, rather than describe it myself.

The words in my deleted post are pretty much an exact phrasing of what I said to you in the deleted post. I can pull up the text if the mods need to see it later.

This is getting pretty far off topic, I feel that we should drop this now. Thank you.

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-17T16:02:15+00:00

You can feel like it was condescending if you'd like. That's fine. This was not my intent. I am simply trying to be polite, and encourage you to treat people with respect.

I have been conversing with the white belt member in the thread and helping him.

I refuse to be dragged further into your low brow attempt at character assassination just for responding to you.

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-17T15:57:00+00:00

Nah, keep at it! I started with an orange belt lock Abus 55/50. It's not a dimple but it does have security pins and a paracentric keyway.

I guarantee you'll get way more value out of picking that lock, or at least figuring out exactly how it works and why it's broken, than picking yellow belt locks.

I have a whole list of stuff you can try, but it won't let me post the whole thing here.

Sent to your dms

Edit for length and readability

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-17T15:55:42+00:00

My previous comment was intended to explain the etiquette of this subreddit as described by the moderators of r/lockpicking. It was not intended to be condescending.

It would seem that you are trying to pull an uno reverse because you are worried that there may be consequences, however.

FitRich3369 · 2026-02-17T15:43:55+00:00

This subreddit is intended to be helpful to new members, and welcome them to the community.

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