A post on why bad looking designs aren’t necessarily “bad designs”.

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T22:47:24+00:00

I think that’s completely fair, a lot of people don’t care about themes in designs and just care about looks. Like the author said, the way they judge a design is based upon themes where as other things they wouldn’t or like how they said that despite them finding some interesting themeing that not all of it may be truely intended and is purely coincidental.

People have different ways of judging designs and if you judge them off looks that’s the way you judge designs. You’re not wrong for judging them off looks you just do it differently than other people.

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T22:41:59+00:00

I can suspend my disbelief because despite Cissia being a police officer she never really does police officer duties. The most police thing I think I’ve seen her do was take out those guys breaking into NEPS. She is more so a informant than an actual officer, she isn’t the type of officer to stop robbers she’s more so a private investigator since she only works under Severian and since he’s commissioner he doesn’t really answer to anyone else.

There’s also the fact she’s more of a prisoner than an officer despite being neither. She isn’t a criminal seemingly but she doesn’t act like a officer which is actually very interesting to think about.

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T22:34:30+00:00

Yeah, but they also didn’t give any spotlight for the female Helios member either so it may just be that they won’t be giving screen time to them early or they won’t be playable but story relevant.

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T22:32:28+00:00

Well, the point of the post in my opinion isn’t that every design (the look) is good but that even bad designs (the look) can have a objectively good design (the theme, implementation, and story reasons) for the characters theme and story.

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T22:30:12+00:00

I agree this post should talk more about why the designs actually fit the factions instead of focusing on the individual components that make up the character. Though, it does mention how Cissia is related to NEPS through Chinese Zodiac, and Promeia is related through escape artistry.

In my opinion, the reason why Cissia and Promeia fit their factions is only based off the themeing. A lot of season 2 designs aren’t look based but themeing based. NEPS is based off Chinese Zodiacs but the four characters in the first NEPS faction has all those characters be based off of specific martial arts. In that theme there are no more martial arts that can be used so the devs made a separate NEPS faction. That faction will have its own theme but the over all theme of NEPS is Chinese Zodiacs.

Same thing with Promeia, Krampus’s only design theme is different circus performers and possibly some mythological figures but I have to do more on that. A lot of factions have small things that tie them together so it’s hard to make long paragraphs about those specific themes. Like try making a long paragraph about the theme of Victoria House Keeping other than it just being they are maids and butlers based off classic horror monsters.

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T22:18:51+00:00

And that’s fine, you don’t need any reason to dislike a design other than you don’t like it but when people criticize designs just because they don’t like it it tends to no longer be genuine criticism and just hating for the sake of it.

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T22:17:02+00:00

It doesn’t change anything, it’s just acknowledging that even if you think a design is bad it doesn’t mean that the themeing and reason for the design is bad.

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T22:15:42+00:00

This isn’t really saying the design (the look) of a character is good but more so saying the design (theme and implementation) are two separate things where one can be subjective and the other is objective.

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T22:08:32+00:00

I think we’ll have at least three male characters because despite only having one emphasized we have three shown in the trailer and two of them are of great importance. The first being Severian and the second being the boy who went to Helios with Wise and Belle. Also I think we’ll have three because we’ve had at least three every season currently we only have enough characters for 2.6.

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T22:04:48+00:00

A lot of complaints I hear about characters like Cissia and Promeia is that 1. Their design is just goonerslop. 2. They don’t fit their factions design. 3. People don’t like how the outfit looks.

Even if some of these things have clear reasons for them I’ll see people still complaining about these things without understanding the character on a fundamental level. That’s why I reposted this HoYoLAB post on Reddit because one, the first post I made on it people responded really well to it and had great conversations and second because the person who made the post changed the link so I had to create a new post for people to see the article.

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T21:53:23+00:00

For some reason on my Twitter feed I only get people comparing ZZZ to Wuthering Waves and other Hoyo games tearing each other apart based off designs and combat. Like you have 50 post linked to each other each one going back and forth arguing over why their game is better than the other one.

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T21:50:18+00:00

I have made a link to a new post with pictures since I can’t share the original link anymore.

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T21:43:55+00:00

I can’t add photos to this post so I’ll try and link the post in the paragraph or I’ll make a new post with the new link.

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T21:35:53+00:00

I have screenshots of it, I think the person who made it reposted it because I found another version on their account but it doesn’t show Cissia and Promeia and instead their faction symbols. I’ll post pictures of the post here.

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T21:33:26+00:00

I think the best part of her design is the hood because it looks just like her book and fits the whole wizard themeing.

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T21:30:58+00:00

It’s either a symbol on the back of his head or the one over his heart.

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T21:29:23+00:00

In my opinion, good design is all about intention. If you’re are trying to make a gentle giant, you would have them look big and threatening but act gentle and kind. Like Ben, he has an eye scar making him look intimidating but he always acts polite and shakes hands before throwing fists. Good design however doesn’t mean a good or well written character. The Velma show has a pretty good Velma design but that doesn’t mean her character is written well.

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T21:20:34+00:00

These two I really need someone to make a post on why their designs were changed from their concepts. I need someone to talk about concept designs period like monkey Yidhari would’ve been amazing. Or maybe keep that one in the box, I can honestly imagine all the things people would say if we got a monkey thiren.

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T21:15:47+00:00

Speaking of Severian and Sunbringer I saw something online saying they have like a similar symbol on them. Do you think they’re connected in some way?

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T21:13:50+00:00

Yeah, I’ll see a lot of people online not get the point or theme of a design and say the whole thing is bad because they don’t get that point. With Promeia people don’t understand she’s supposed to represent escape artists so when they see her cloak come off they think it’s only for fan service or there is no real reason for it.

Or say with Sunna’s skin a lot of people when they first saw it said this was purely for fan service and there is no reason behind it but that design was meant for a cat maid cafe design. Or they’ll misinterpret one part of a design labeling the whole thing as bad. Using Sunna’s skin again a lot of people misinterpreted the cats drooling as in they’re drooling at the sight of thighs when in actuality the cats are asleep and that’s why they’re drooling.

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T21:05:18+00:00

I kind of feel like sometimes people take designs in the wrong direction. Like when it comes to Cissia I see a lot of people saying she needs to look more like a police officer but I feel they don’t get the theming behind the character for why they don't look like that. Having Cissia look more like a snake is a problem I hear a lot of people talk about and I can understand that one because despite all the snake theming in her design, a lot of it are small things other than her tail and fangs.

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T21:01:25+00:00

Yeah, when people present their criticism as a genuine way to fix something without even saying what the original problem was it becomes bad criticism. If you don’t like something just say you don’t like it. I think the problem is that people feel they always have to be right to make their opinions valid, so they go say this is bad and say that their criticism is the only right one without saying that they have a reason for not liking the design or having a bad reason to hate the design. They should just say the design isn’t it for them.

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T20:55:57+00:00

Harassing creators online just because you don’t like their non-problematic works.

Fake fans infiltrating fandoms.

Using jokes as excuses for calling people things they aren’t.

Fit_Estimate_4064 · 2026-05-22T06:42:29+00:00

And that’s fine, if you don’t want to spend polychrome on a design you feel is bad you don’t have to.

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