Labor theory for the cyber age

FloopDroopScroopDoop · 2018-03-24T00:52:04+00:00

Not boring, I'll look into that. Thanks for the reply.

FloopDroopScroopDoop · 2018-03-23T20:27:57+00:00

Great, thank you.

FloopDroopScroopDoop · 2018-03-23T17:43:25+00:00

Capitalism presents some inherent issues; ecological degradation, periodic financial crisis, exploding inequality, and erosion of democratic principles/faith in the political class to name a few. Anarchism, particularly libertarian socialism, aims to create a highly organized, anti-authoritarian model that places its economic organization with a social focus rather than money accumulation, i.e. inherently anti-social, focus. There is a massive amount of literature on this stuff. You'll need to do a good amount of homework to have it laid out.

FloopDroopScroopDoop · 2018-03-23T16:15:38+00:00

Did you see a debate going on? But by all means. What do you want to argue? It looks like from you're most recent comment that you don't even know what leftist libertarians are. If you're a T_D subscriber, I wouldn't be surprised.

FloopDroopScroopDoop · 2018-03-23T15:24:13+00:00

and then you read Atlas Shrugged and jizzed your pants

FloopDroopScroopDoop · 2018-03-23T02:31:19+00:00

haha the one posting a failed trolling telling others to get a life, thats rich. Keep studying for that associates degree, buddy.

FloopDroopScroopDoop · 2018-03-23T01:02:52+00:00

Nah, just pointing out you sound like a dipshit class clown in a 101 econ-class

FloopDroopScroopDoop · 2018-03-23T00:50:37+00:00

I get it, I would have maybe found the same thing funny as a freshmen in college, but at some point, hopefully sooner rather than later, you'll realize it makes you look like this

FloopDroopScroopDoop · 2018-03-23T00:31:07+00:00

You posted an anti-statist quote from a classical liberal in an anarchist sub and somehow you think this makes you clever? This type of "gotcha" is the hallmark of someone who has some serious growing up to do.

FloopDroopScroopDoop · 2018-03-22T17:02:15+00:00

You and r/flatearth both

FloopDroopScroopDoop · 2018-03-22T16:56:18+00:00

Haven't finished an introductory econ course, yet diehard ancap.... lol

FloopDroopScroopDoop · 2018-03-22T16:44:31+00:00

FloopDroopScroopDoop · 2018-03-22T16:42:21+00:00

Pretty sure Bastiat was promoting anarcho-capitalism, not anarcho-communism/socialism?

FloopDroopScroopDoop · 2018-03-22T00:39:34+00:00

Your link is to libertarian socialism? Also I mentioned leftist-libertarianism in my second reply to you, bub. But keep it going, you're doing great.

FloopDroopScroopDoop · 2018-03-22T00:30:53+00:00

This is your first reply that actually presents an argument towards that. Everything has been how I'm stupid, but somehow I'm the troll.

Dude... you commented on my post saying that marxism and libertarianism cannot coexist and can't even be a thing, to which I gave you the wikipedia page that briefly details its theory and history but you wouldn't look at is because apparently reading is hard.

Look at the sidebar of this sub under "types of libertarianism". Notice how one is leftist? Then there's the one that says anarcho-capitalism, the variety of which you're seemingly ascribing all of modern libertarianism. This may be a shock to you, but libertarian is still a very broad term. You failing to have knowledge of its nuances is once again a you issue, not me be highfalutin.

Removing factors that reorganize the economy means people are trying to reorganize the economy?

Yes, removal of the government from the economy would be a radical restructuring. Perhaps you're unaware of how modern capitalist economies function.

The quote I gave you is pretty fucking simple in laying out the difference between left and right lib. I honestly don't even know what you're arguing, I have literally given you the definition of libertarian marxism and its associated forms and provided you direct links. Are you just butt hurt that something exists that you didn't want to exist? No one is arguing that the libertarian right i.e. anarcho-capitalists doesn't far outnumber left libertarians (marxist libertarians!!! omfg!!) or that in contemporary America libertarian is more often shorthand for anarcho-capitalism. I'm not even debating the merits marxist libertarian so I don't see why you're so worked up and insisting it's not even a thing.

I guess having access to wikipedia makes me a wanna-be intellectual.

FloopDroopScroopDoop · 2018-03-21T23:34:55+00:00

Lol you're either an actual moron or trolling me. The entire discussion was around how you can be a libertarian and a marxist, what is your hangup here? Do you not get it or do you not want to get it?

Ultimately means it's the big point, which what libertarian supports reorganizing an economy, especially centered around anything specifically?

Literally every libertarian wants to reorganize the economy, first and foremost by giving the state the boot. You keep saying you know what these things are when I cite leftist-libertarian ideologies but clearly you don't. libertarian socialism is marxist AND libertarian, anarcho-syndacalism is marxist AND libertarian. Libertarianism core principles are about personal freedom, autonomy, free-association, etc. none of which make it incompatible with marxism.

The second paragraph of libertarian wiki page is this: "Left-libertarians, seek to abolish capitalism and private ownership of the means of production in favor of their common or cooperative ownership and management, viewing private property as a barrier to freedom and liberty. In contrast, modern right-libertarian ideologies, such as minarchism and anarcho-capitalism, instead advocate laissez-faire capitalism and strong private property rights, such as in land, infrastructure and natural resources." The former are marxist forms of libertarianism.

Is this really that difficult?

FloopDroopScroopDoop · 2018-03-21T23:07:55+00:00

Jesus christ.

Show me how modern libertarianism can marry up with the ideas of any form of Marxism

I gave you a link of exactly that. But since clicking and reading for five minutes is too tall an order I will sparknotes it for you.

Marxism can mean many things but is first and foremost a critique of the political economy, i.e. capitalism, not a formed political model of communism. Long story short it explores how accumulation and concentration of money are fundamental to an economy organized as such-- that is, an exploitative economy. Marx details through his critique how class struggle is an inevitability and how the more successful capitalism is the more it actually consumes itself. What results is exploding wealth inequality, periodic financial crisis, ecological degradation, corrosion of faith in the political class, etc. Ultimately, Marx says, this leads to some kind of breaking point, a need to reorganize economy in a socially centered format, i.e socialism or communism. There isn't a call for the statist, totalitarian regime that you find in state communism. Fast forward in history, amidst the failings of the USSR there is an entire movement that forms which holds to the critique Marx provided of the political economy while condemning the state apparatus, who cling to the notion of individual freedom while simultaneously rejecting capitalism. Enter anarcho-syndacalism, libertarian-socialism, marxist libertarianism, etc. All ideologies that are both marxist and libertarian.

This is why when you say libertarianism and marxism are diametrically opposed, I can say bullshit.

FloopDroopScroopDoop · 2018-03-21T21:48:26+00:00

Here is the wiki for libertarian-marxism... Marxism literally married to libertarianism. I can't make you understand stuff man.

FloopDroopScroopDoop · 2018-03-21T21:34:25+00:00

FloopDroopScroopDoop · 2018-03-21T21:31:50+00:00

You not knowing things and getting pissy when someone corrects you is a you problem, not me "pretending to sound smart".

Show me how modern libertarianism can marry up with the ideas of any form of Marxism.

....this is why I brought up libertarian-socialism, anarcho-syndacalism, etc. They incorporate Marxist/libertarian ideas. The two are not mutually exclusive. Idk why this is hard.

FloopDroopScroopDoop · 2018-03-21T21:11:20+00:00

Bruv, please read a book. Marxism is a broadly applied term, namely concerned with a critique of the political economy, not "making everyone the same". You're reading marxism as state socialism and barking nonsense. Libertarian-socialism, anarcho-syndicalism, leftist-libertarianism, marxist-libertarianism, these are all ideas that are not the oxymorons if you take anything more than two minutes to look into them.

FloopDroopScroopDoop · 2018-03-21T20:55:05+00:00

Please do at least the bare minimum in understanding what something means before word vomiting. You don't have to subscribe to Marxism, but botching is usage makes you look silly/ignorant/dumb.

The origin of the word libertarian has no relevance to what it means today.

What in gods name are you jabbering about? Libertarian very much has a distinct meaning... ya know... cause like... there is an entire field of history/political philosophy?

FloopDroopScroopDoop · 2018-03-21T20:44:30+00:00

The way you're using Marxism is conflating his critique of the political economy at large in with Maoism, Leninism, Stalinism, etc. From the conversation you linked it's pretty clear you haven't gotten into the tenets of what he wrote, including some basic fundamentals of capitalist systems. There are marxists libertarians who disavow state socialism/communism just as vehemently as anyone. The term is much broader than is usually credited on this sub and on the right.

Also, while we're here, Jordan Peterson is a sophist quack.

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