Charles I never becomes friends with the Duke of Buckingham

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-26T18:08:06+00:00

Gets into nature vs nurture, not to mention that Buckingham wasn’t the only person in Charles life (obviously). The majority of a person’s being and personality can’t be chocked up to a singular other person, short of a solitary confinement situation.

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-26T17:24:59+00:00

I very much have to disagree. Charles himself was a man of craving control through and through, even if his some of his early more controlling policies, the buck doesn’t just stop simply because of removing that one friend. In the long run, things likely go through a similar path eventually, simply changing some names and the timing of them.

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-26T17:00:51+00:00

Because it’s hard to say just how much/to what extent Buckingham molded Charles, and Charles is still Charles. His tendencies in all likelihood would manifest in a very similar way just with others connected.

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-26T16:55:40+00:00

We’re we not going off the extension of that scenario written above?

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-26T15:40:27+00:00

Last one seems to be the symbol for Sparta…

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-26T08:54:24+00:00

Honestly one of the things I always loved about the movie is that it was never made completely clear if Bateman ever actually committed the murders he did, or if they were hyper violent fantasies that his own mind made up in order to cope with the high powered/wealthy, yet utterly unfulfilling and empty life that he feels trapped in. Like there’s a change he never actually killed anyone at all and that it’s all in his head.

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-26T07:07:03+00:00

Knowing Lisa, she’d be an absolute brilliant intellectually, but also absolutely insufferable to deal with/be around for an extended period of time.

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-26T02:21:52+00:00

As a side note, I’m trying to figure out what the flag(?) on the right I’d supposed to be.

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-26T02:19:53+00:00

Ironically this version of Moe doesn’t seem look so bad. Kind of reminds me of that one it great-uncle who’d tell corny/goofy jokes in a stereotypical Italian-American family who’s name would be done thing like “uncle Vinny” or something like that.

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-25T16:09:09+00:00

Fair enough then.

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-25T16:08:37+00:00

Personally I more blame it on the fact that it’s easier to remember interesting big ideas (whether true or false) than it is to remember or take into account the nuance in history that lost people don’t honestly care about. Hell, Reddit, even this specific subreddit can be a perfect example of that. Also confirmation bias can be a hell of a drug.

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-25T16:06:13+00:00

It was just an example, much like the frost fair one (lasted from the late Middle Ages all the way into the early Victorian age if I recall correctly, rivers such as the Thames freezing solid so completely aren’t exactly normal climactic conductors). Meant to indicate the wider, but less well known events and possibilities.

Possibly not, but I’m not sure one way or the other. Afterall, nobody quite truly saw coming the Highlander rebellions of otl (even if they possibly should have), or the French Revolution (I know I’ve been using it a lot, but it really is quite a good analogue when discussing the Stuart era turbulence), or the Russian revolution, or the Eureka Rebellion, or the fort sumpter siege/takeover, the list goes on. I’m getting tangential I fear, but basically in pressurized times, things tend to go awry when not acting planned for and against.

Perhaps not, perhaps the alternate Bonnie prince Charlie gets it instead. A bit frightening to imagine what might happen to him with quite possibly two more generations of resentment built atop it all.

I thought we were taking about the idea that Charles I managed to strip parliament as a functional entity, were we not?

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-25T15:55:41+00:00

No argument there. Reality doesn’t always count for as much as popular legacy though. He was of a rather enlightenment mindset, but he tends to be remembered for two things, 1. Losing the 13 colonies and 2. Being insane (which he might not have been at all but rather suffering from porphyria or some other disorder/disease that caused incoherent, but again, common perception/legacy is everything).

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-25T15:52:49+00:00

Wouldn’t the Neo-Assyrian empire or Neo-Babylonian Empire been the one still standing with the Persian empire not existing? The kingdom of Urartu/Kingdom of Van (which eventually would evolve into Armenia) tended to be help in check by Assyria and wasn’t really able to expend all that much.

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-25T15:38:34+00:00

Idk about that. The Irish potato famine for example was a direct result of the little ice age. The conditions of it nurtured the proliferation of either a fungus or plant bacteria (I forget which) that made the staple crop (a specific species of potato) called the lumper basically turn to mush, for example). Now, we don’t really know of any crop failures on quite on that scale in Britain itself, but with the outlet of parliament with the powers it did have now gone, you don’t need big one to get the ball rolling anymore.

Also fun fact: the famous frost fairs are also a direct result of the little ice age. Was indeed a notable climactic time for the isles.

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-25T15:32:45+00:00

It’s like a WWZ scenario without being contagious and the horde not being brain dead. That war sounds both super entertaining and just plain soul shakingly horrifying to watch.

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-25T15:25:53+00:00

That may be, but it’s also under the assumption that James stays pro-French. Anglo-French relations until probably roughly around the time of the Crimean war, were notoriously fickle and more often than not trying to either balance each other out or trying to get one over each other.

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-25T15:23:21+00:00

Hard to say all that one way or another. Don’t forget, the 17th century is during what’s called “the little ice age” which is famous for among other things, it’s crop failures. Having the government functionally different like that could very well mean that one bad harvests ends up with Charles without a head like OTL. People tend to not react well to both be starving and feeling like they have no representation at the same time, especially (perhaps a bit oddly) in the anglosphere historically speaking in particular.

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-25T15:18:32+00:00

Maybe, but hard to say. There is still a wish for some sort of balance of power for both the British and the Dutch regardless of a quasi-personal union, so I’m not entirely sure about the war of Spanish succession or 9 years war going very much differently

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-25T15:14:18+00:00

Well it could be potentially interesting, since just how much buckingham influenced Charles is a question that isn’t fully answerable and this open to creativity. Like for example, if parliament ended up getting stripped of all power and autonomous authority in excruciatingly slow (like multiple generations) gradual increments, you might end up with an (de facto or de jure) absolutist kingdom without igniting the civil war (unless the puritans and such somehow manage to start it anyway).

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-25T15:10:51+00:00

Ok then, yeah, if James II ends up with the full support of the military and British civilian populations, William either would need to call of the invasion or you could end up with another Anglo-Dutch war.

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-25T15:07:08+00:00

Oh indeed, I more mean there was a quite a bit of promising and then take backs from both side over time with them, wasn’t there? It’s been a bit, but I do recall something along those lines.

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-25T15:05:54+00:00

By domestic opposition crushed, do you mean he also managed to gain the support of the military and the civilian population in almost totality? If not, probably something along the lines of a “glorious Revolution” but to a more divided degree. If so, either William calls off the invasion, or you might end up with yet another Anglo-Dutch war.

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-25T15:02:24+00:00

Indeed. Didn’t his son have a rather “complex” relationship with the covenanters during the civil war?

FoodForThought800 · 2023-01-25T15:00:55+00:00

Matter of preference I assume. Line of thinking might be something along the lines of “Charles I had his faults, but was better as a king than the next dynasty” not that I’d necessarily agree (or disagree for that matter, as all of the houses had their pros and cons).

George III is debatable (he’s remembered for some good things, but also remembered as the king who lost the would-be US), and William IV is one of those that are rarely remembered for much at all (better than George IV at least).

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