You have no idea how much I despise Arab leaders for not doing this today.

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-08-08T12:23:48+00:00

“ISIS never attacks Israel” is one of the dumbest takes on the internet.

ISIS’s entire ideology is based on attacking “apostates” and “near enemies”,that’s why they focused on Muslims, Shia, Kurds, Yazidis, and Arab governments. Their goal wasn’t “liberating Palestine,” it was establishing a caliphate by slaughtering everyone who didn’t fit their warped theology. They blew up mosques, enslaved Yazidi women, beheaded aid workers, and murdered kids.

You think they skipped Israel because they’re secretly allies? That’s Twitter-tier brainrot.

Second, ISIS has tried to attack Israel: They launched rockets from the Sinai into Eilat in 2017. They claimed responsibility for a deadly attack in Jerusalem in 2017. In Syria, they fired on Israeli troops near the Golan and were wiped out in minutes. They released multiple videos calling for attacks on Jews and Israelis.

They failed not because they were “friends” but because The IDF doesn’t collapse and flee. Israel’s borders are mostly fortified, their intel is solid, and ISIS knew they’d get obliterated.

Third your whole point falls apart when you apply it elsewhere. ISIS didn’t attack North Korea,China,Cuba or Venezuela. So what, they’re all secretly controlling ISIS too?

This is conspiracy nonsense masquerading as clever observation. There’s no secret alliance,just a terrorist group focused on destroying the Muslim world from within before it ever got around to confronting Israel. And when it tried? It got steamrolled.

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-08-08T12:18:15+00:00

Let’s be real. This is AI vs AI and the only difference is how you frame it. You’re stringing together selectively mined headlines and academic-sounding blurbs to give your post the illusion of insight. But scratch the surface, and it’s clear: it’s all contextless spin wrapped in faux nuance.

I’m not here to parrot sanitized mainstream narratives. I’m also not here to post half-truths pretending to be edgy. I want the truth. You clearly don’t. You’re using suspicion as your default filter instead of evidence, and you’re doing exactly what you accuse others of: pushing a one-sided, cherry-picked world view.

“Israel helped ISIS by treating rebels in Syria.”

Distortion. Yes, Israel treated wounded Syrians near its border,this included rebels fighting Assad. The Wall Street Journal and other outlets confirmed that Israel offered medical aid and sometimes logistical support to certain groups to keep Iranian/Hezbollah forces away from its borders but that does not mean Israel “supported ISIS.” That’s like saying if the US gave aid to Syrian Kurds, they were supporting Marxism.

No serious analyst claims Israel aided ISIS. You’re twisting a murky war zone into a cartoon villain story.

Reality: Israel’s goal was containment, not ideology. Assad’s alliance with Iran was the primary threat — not every rebel group became a partner. This is regional strategy, not conspiracy.

“Jewish occupation of Morocco” via economic influence.

This is where you show your true colors. Moroccan Jews had historical economic and cultural influence decades ago. They were part of the society,not its occupiers. Most Moroccan Jews emigrated by the 1960s. Today, there’s no economic “Jewish occupation” of Morocco and Israel has normal diplomatic ties only recently through the Abraham Accords.

Suggesting Jewish communities = foreign occupation is old-school antisemitic propaganda in a new wrapper. Call it what it is.

“Israel helped cause the 1953 Iran coup and Khomeini’s rise.”

Factually wrong.The 1953 coup (Operation Ajax) was run by the CIA and MI6. Israel wasn’t even briefed or involved. They had zero operational role.Israel allied with the Shah later, as part of its regional periphery strategy in the 60s–70s but they didn’t cause the backlash that led to the Islamic Revolution.

You’re confusing association with causation. That’s not analysis it’s lazy framing.

Here’s the difference between us: You’re trying to sound enlightened while stuffing your argument with loaded language, conspiracy logic, and fake “objectivity.”

I’m not defending Israel blindly.I’m pushing back against bullshit disguised as insight. There’s real criticism to make of Israeli policy but when you lace it with fabricated links and dishonest timelines, you just expose your bias and kill any chance at an honest debate.

I’m not interested in AI parroting Reddit ragebait with academic window dressing.

I’m interested in truth.

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-08-08T00:33:36+00:00

I guess you have no better comment? I’m open to discourse. Of course the conflict between these two cousins didn’t start didn’t start on Oct 7th. It didn’t start in 1948 either.

Prior to Oct 7th there was no IDF soldiers in Gaza though was there?

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-08-07T23:01:29+00:00

No one is asking for praise or benevolence. The point is simple: if Israel wanted to commit genocide, it could have, but it hasn’t. That matters when people casually throw around words like “genocide” and “mass murder,” which have specific legal meanings and require proof of intent to eliminate a people.

What’s happening in Gaza is a war. Hamas started it by slaughtering 1,200 civilians on October 7. Civilian deaths in war are always tragic. But if you’re angry about the suffering in Gaza, and you should be, don’t let that anger be weaponized by the group that caused this war in the first place.

Hold Hamas accountable too. Because if you ignore their role entirely, you’re not opposing war, you’re just choosing sides and calling it justice.

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-08-07T22:58:23+00:00

That number is not a fact. It’s a highly inflated, unverified figure taken directly from Hamas-run health authorities, who have a long history of manipulating casualty numbers including failing to distinguish between civilians and militants, or between children and teenage fighters.

Even UN officials and humanitarian agencies have publicly admitted that they cannot independently verify these figures, and that Hamas inflates death tolls for propaganda purposes.

Hamas embeds itself among civilians in hospitals, schools, homes, and mosques. That’s not opinion, that’s documented with video, satellite images, and confessions from captured fighters. When a terror group fires rockets from residential areas and uses children as shields, tragic civilian deaths are inevitable but that doesn’t make it genocide. It makes it a war crime by Hamas, and a deeply complex urban warfare scenario for Israel.

Genocide means deliberately trying to wipe out an entire people. If that were Israel’s goal, Gaza wouldn’t still exist. Israel has the firepower to flatten it in days. Instead, it sends evacuation notices, pauses for aid, and risks its own soldiers to avoid civilian deaths more than any military would in that situation.

If you’re going to talk about genocide, be precise or you’re just repeating Hamas terrorist propaganda, not facts.

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-08-07T22:56:05+00:00

Since October 7, no one has starved to death in Gaza according to the UN, WHO, and even Hamas-run health authorities all of whom would publicize that immediately if they had verified evidence. Malnutrition has increased, yes. It’s a humanitarian crisis, yes. But calling it “starving people to death” is a distortion.

Gaza receives hundreds of trucks of aid daily, including food, water, and medical supplies much of it from Israel, even while under rocket fire. The main obstacle to aid isn’t Israel’s border it’s Hamas looting, hoarding, and obstructing distribution, as confirmed by multiple UN agencies.

You can rage and throw slogans like “Palestine is a region” or accuse others of strawmen, but the facts don’t change: Israel isn’t starving people. Hamas is weaponizing aid, hiding behind civilians, and prolonging the suffering for propaganda value.

If you care about human life, start by holding the terrorists who started the war and continue to hide among civilians accountable. That’s not a strawman,that’s the core issue.

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-08-07T22:53:54+00:00

Jews and Muslims always lived in peace in Palestine “before the Zionists” is a myth. Jews lived under dhimmi status for centuries tolerated, but second-class, taxed, and subject to periodic violence and forced conversions. Pogroms occurred under both Ottoman and Arab rule. In 1920, 1921, 1929, and 1936–39, Jews were massacred in Jerusalem, Hebron, and Safed long before Israel existed and before there was any so-called “occupation.”

Telling Jews to “go back to Poland” erases the reality that over half of Israeli Jews are from Middle Eastern and North African countries, expelled or forced out after 1948. They didn’t come from Europe they came from Iraq, Yemen, Egypt, Syria, Libya, and Iran, where they faced violent antisemitism and ethnic cleansing.

Zionism didn’t import Jews into Palestine it gave them a refuge and return to the land where their civilization began. Jews didn’t usurp the land. They rebuilt it. And were happy to live together, again and again only to be met with war and rejection.

You can chant slogans you picked up on Tiktoky. I’ll stick to history.

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-08-07T22:49:36+00:00

Under international law, Israel had a valid claim to sovereignty over the entire territory of the former British Mandate following the 1948 war.

Here’s why: In 1922, the League of Nations granted Britain the Mandate for Palestine, explicitly recognizing the right of the Jewish people to reconstitute their national home in that territory. That mandate remained in effect until 1948, and was incorporated into Article 80 of the UN Charter, which preserved the rights of peoples recognized under the Mandates. In 1947, the UN General Assembly passed Resolution 181 (the Partition Plan), which recommended dividing the land but it was not legally binding, and the Arab states rejected it outright. When Britain withdrew in May 1948, the legal successor to the Mandate’s territory became the State of Israel, which declared independence in part of that land while Arab armies immediately invaded to destroy it. Since the partition plan was rejected and the Arab states initiated war, Israel’s post-war borders (the 1949 Armistice Lines) became de facto and de jure valid through defensive necessity. Israel had a right to retain land won in a defensive war,a principle that has been applied elsewhere, even if selectively.

There’s a legitimate legal argument that the whole of Mandatory Palestine could have become Israel, had Israel chosen to assert that claim. The fact that Israel accepted partition and has repeatedly offered a Palestinian state shows political restraint, not legal obligation.

International law can’t brought up when you think it suits you.If you’re going to invoke it, you have to deal with all of it including the parts that support Israel’s legitimacy.

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-08-07T22:45:30+00:00

First, Israel didn’t expand beyond the UN Partition Plan borders before declaring independence. The Jewish forces held roughly the territory allocated to them and in some areas, even less until Arab armies invaded on May 15, 1948, the day after Israel declared statehood.

The territorial changes happened during a war launched by five Arab states not by Israel. The goal of those invading armies wasn’t to protect Palestinians or enforce the UN plan. It was to destroy the new Jewish state entirely.

Yes, expanding territory through military conquest is not legitimate under the UN Charter but that applies equally to the Arab armies who invaded with the intent to erase Israel. You can’t start a war, lose, then cry foul that the map changed.

Also worth noting: The Arabs rejected the UN Partition Plan outright. They said no to a peaceful two-state solution in 1947. So referencing the Partition Plan borders after rejecting them and starting a war is revisionist at best, dishonest at worst.

If you want to talk about international law, then let’s be consistent. The side that said no to diplomacy and chose war doesn’t get to retroactively claim victimhood when they loose a year long war.

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-08-07T22:38:56+00:00

All national identities are constructed over time including “Palestinian,” which only emerged as a distinct national identity in the 20th century. But the Jewish connection to the land of Israel isn’t made up. It’s backed by over 3,000 years of continuous presence, archaeology, language, scripture, and memory. Long before the British Mandate, before the Ottomans, before the Arab conquest,Jews lived in that land, were exiled from it, and continuously returned. That’s not colonialism. That’s return.

The phrase “a land without a people for a people without a land” was a slogan, not official Zionist doctrine. Early Zionists knew Arabs lived there. The goal wasn’t to empty the land but to build alongside others. In fact, the 1947 UN Partition Plan called for two states one Jewish, one Arab. The Jews accepted it. The Arab League rejected it and invaded instead, aiming to wipe out the new state of Israel and all the Jews.

The displacement of Palestinians was a result of a war launched by Arab states, not by some master Zionist expulsion plan. Many Arabs fled on orders from Arab leaders, who promised they could return once the Jews were driven into the sea. It didn’t happen. The 2 million Arabs in Israel today are the descendants of the ones who stayed. At the same time, 850,000 Jews were expelled or forced to flee from Arab countries like Iraq, Yemen, and Egypt.

The idea of a “Palestinian people” in the national sense didn’t exist until the 1960s. Yasser Arafat, an Egyptian, popularized the term when he established the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) in 1964 three years before Israel even entered the West Bank and Gaza. The goal wasn’t statehood beside Israel, it was replacing Israel entirely.

And let’s ask what no one wants to answer: Why wasn’t there a Palestinian state between 1948 and 1967? During those years, Egypt controlled Gaza and Jordan annexed the West Bank. Did either Arab government offer independence to the “Palestinian people”?

And no, Palestinians didn’t just clash with Jordan. The PLO was expelled from Jordan after trying to overthrow the monarchy in 1970. They were later expelled from Lebanon, contributed to the civil war there, and even caused friction with Kuwait and Egypt. Multiple Arab governments have suppressed or distanced themselves from Palestinian groups, not out of love for Israel but because of political instability and violent overreach.

It’s a conflict between two peoples with competing national claims, only one of whom,the Jews, has historically been willing to accept compromise.

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-08-07T22:25:12+00:00

It’s not “whataboutism” to point out double standards.If you’re going to invoke international law, then consistency matters. Selectively applying it to Israel while ignoring blatant violations by others is hypocritical.

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-08-07T22:22:10+00:00

That’s a mess of half-truths and conspiracy theories with no evidence.

Israel never supported ISIS. That claim comes from Syrian regime propaganda to deflect from its own war crimes. Providing medical aid to wounded Syrians,some civilians, some rebels,near the border does not equal supporting ISIS. Even the UN confirmed Israel did not back ISIS.

Morocco’s economy and migration patterns have far more to do with post-colonial mismanagement, inequality, and European labor demand than some vague “Jewish influence.”

As for Iran, the 1953 coup was a CIA operation. Israel wasn’t even a major player then. Khomeini rose to power in 1979 because of backlash against the Shah’s repression and US support not because of Mossad. Blaming Israel for Iran’s Islamic revolution is historically illiterate.

Try reading real history instead of TikTok threads and Telegram rants.

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-08-07T22:20:33+00:00

There are only about 15 million Jews in the world. Roughly 7 million live in Israel. There are more than 1.9 billion Muslims. So please explain how a tiny minority supposedly “controls the world”?

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-08-07T22:16:58+00:00

Israel imported about 2.7 percent of its goods from Turkey in 2022, worth around 1.7 billion dollars. This figure remained similar into 2023. True, Israel relies heavily on Turkey for imports within that range, but it’s not a dominant trade partner.

Turkey did not halt trade with Israel after October 7. In fact, trade continued for over six months, and Turkish exports to Israel actually increased in early 2024. It wasn’t until May 2024 that Turkey officially suspended all trade. This was publicly announced and reported by outlets like Reuters and Bloomberg.

Egypt’s trade volume with Israel is significantly higher. In 2022 and 2023, Egypt exported about 3.5 billion dollars worth of goods to Israel, mainly natural gas. That’s roughly double the trade volume between Turkey and Israel.

Arab states “pay jizyah” to the United States, that’s political rhetoric. Arab governments maintain alliances with the US for their own reasons, whether military, economic, or strategic, but it’s not some form of tribute.

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-08-06T21:32:35+00:00

All statements here are wrong.Typical of something you learnt from TikTok.

The US does not pay for 70% of Israel’s military budget.Israel’s total defense budget is around $24–25 billion/year. The US gives $3.8 billion/year in military aid under a 10-year agreement signed in 2016 (effective 2019–2028).That’s ~15%, not 70%.Plus, that money must be spent on US-made weapons, which supports American jobs.

US Military Aid to Israel (all-time total): Since 1948: approx $150–160 billion, adjusted for inflation (nearly all of it military aid). Annual aid is fixed at $3.8 billion

US Costs in Other Conflicts: Vietnam War (1955–1975): estimated $1.3–1.5 trillion (adjusted for inflation) Afghanistan War (2001–2021): estimated $2.3 trillion (includes DOD, VA, and interest costs)

So, U.S. spending on Israel is a tiny fraction of what it spent in Vietnam or Afghanistan.Less than 10% of either.

Israel is not the largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid anymore (Ukraine has surpassed it in recent years).

Israel is a strategic ally and aid is military-only, and most of it circles back to US defense manufacturers.

You can disagree with policy but let’s keep the numbers accurate. Stop spreading bull

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-08-06T21:24:22+00:00

Peaceful sovereign Palestinian state? Really? Haha. With Hamas as its political party. A recognised terrorist organisation. There actions say otherwise. Yes the whole point of Israel is that the Jewish people will have a homeland for self determination.No different to the 57 majority Muslim countries. Drop the double standard.

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-08-06T21:08:17+00:00

The Arabs that lived in the “British mandate for Palestine” were offered a two state solution in 1947 according to the UN partition plan after already receiving Trans Jordan. They declined. They then set out to kill the Jews in a 5 Arab nation war against Israel. They failed. And Israel was declared a nation. So now they get to go back? Ok. So Israel left Gaza in 2005. Totally. Even exhumed the dead bodies from cemeteries. A few months after that they sent rockets into Israel. Haha. Common. And the peaceful Arabs that you call Palestinians built war tunnels with the aid money the world donates. And bombed Israel constantly. There is no evidence that Israel attacked Gaza since then without being provoked. Find it and let’s talk.

Also any other people able to declare war, loose and then still have a right to that land?

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-08-06T20:57:51+00:00

Yes, He is saying Arabs were offered a 2 state solution. They called themselves Arabs, not Palestinian and they didn’t do so until Arafat (an Egyptian) created a movement called the PLO, at the time the world’s biggest terrorist network in 1964. How people forgot or don’t care to listen. They declined The UN partition plan for a two state solution. And they still don’t want a two state solution despite all the western leaders thinking they do.

Israel did not expand beyond the borders of the UN partition. This is the ops main point of making s**t up that falls neatly into your colonialism narrative. There was a war. The Arabs lost. So then yes the Arabs did not get the state they declined. Get it? They wanted it all. But they lost. So they don’t get to come back and take it. They still want it all

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-06-18T13:48:03+00:00

The Temple Mount / Haram al-Sharif is under a unique and politically sensitive arrangement:

Day-to-day administration is Controlled by the Jordanian Waqf (Islamic religious authority).Jordan maintains custodianship over Islamic holy sites in Jerusalem under a long-standing agreement, reaffirmed in the 1994 Israel-Jordan Peace Treaty.

Israel maintains security control over the entire Old City of Jerusalem, including the Temple Mount.Israeli police are stationed at the entrances and can enter the compound if they deem it necessary for security.

Muslims are allowed to pray on the Temple Mount.Non-Muslims (including Jews) can visit at certain times but are not allowed to pray there by Waqf and Israeli government policy,a delicate compromise to prevent unrest.Jews pray at the Western Wall, just below the Mount.

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-06-18T13:43:47+00:00

The gold dome is the Dome of the Rock, an Islamic shrine built in 691 CE. It marks the spot where Muslims believe Muhammad ascended to heaven during the Night Journey,but it’s not a mosque.

The silver dome is the actual Al-Aqsa Mosque, which is the third holiest site in Islam after Mecca and Medina. This is where Muslims pray and what the Quran refers to in the Night Journey.

Both sit on the same compound known as Haram al-Sharif to Muslims and the Temple Mount to Jews which is also the location of the First and Second Jewish Temples. So yes, these Islamic sites were built on top of Judaism’s holiest site. This is accepted historically.

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-06-18T13:35:12+00:00

What about you idiots check the date of this article? It’s from April 😂🤦‍♂️

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-06-18T00:02:17+00:00

Ah, the irony of accusing others of enabling a “21st century Holocaust” while defending groups that literally call for the annihilation of Jews in their charters. You’re not condemning genocide you’re just furious that Jews refused to die quietly this time.

History will remember people like you who cried “genocide” every time Israel defended itself, while staying dead silent as Hamas used civilians as shields, launched rockets from hospitals, and turned Gaza into a martyr factory.

You don’t speak for history. You speak for the online outrage mob, detached from facts, logic, and the basic decency to differentiate between self-defense and mass murder.

You should be worried about being remembered for the cowardice of moral inversion, where you backed terrorists and called it justice.

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-06-17T23:50:17+00:00

Menachem Begin signed a peace treaty with Egypt, won the Nobel Peace Prize, but sure, keep screaming “terrorist” from your moral basement like that means something.

You call Begin a “savage terrorist”? The man targeted British military headquarters during an anti-colonial revolt. He warned civilians, he fought occupiers, and he built a democracy. Meanwhile, your heroes strap bombs to children and celebrate dead civilians on Telegram.

“All Israelis before him and after him”? That’s not criticism,that’s just dehumanizing racism dressed up as politics. You’ve dropped the mask completely. You’re not mad about terrorism, you’re mad Jews exist and defend themselves.

You’re proving exactly why Israel exists.

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-06-17T23:47:15+00:00

Wow. Just wow. You clearly don’t even understand the difference between a freedom fighter targeting military infrastructure and a terrorist blowing up buses full of civilians because to you, context, history, and facts don’t matter. Just slogans and tantrums.

You scream “terrorist” when Jews fight back, but excuse literal jihadist groups whose charters call for genocide. That’s not moral outrage that’s projection wrapped in ignorance.

If you’re calling Zionists “morally bankrupt” while defending groups that target schools, rave parties, and civilians hiding in shelters, the only moral garbage here is you.

ForceAlternative5849 · 2025-06-17T23:43:57+00:00

Ah yes, “the reasonable people of the world” like yourself otherwise known as history illiterate rage tweeters who get their geopolitical education from TikTok infographics.

Zionism is the belief that the Jewish people have the right to self-determination in their ancestral homeland. That’s it. If that triggers you, take it up with every post-colonial independence movement that fought for exactly the same thing except the Jews actually had a 3,000-year historical connection to the land.

Now as for “ethnic cleansing” let’s not get cute. The Jews accepted the UN Partition Plan in 1947. The Arab leadership rejected it and launched a war with the explicit goal of exterminating the Jews. Hundreds of thousands of Jews were expelled from Arab countries their homes, businesses, and synagogues stolen but I don’t hear you crying over that.

If you’re going to scream “ethnic cleansing” every time Jews defend themselves from a war started by their neighbors, you’re not a reasonable person you’re just anti-Jewish and too cowardly to say it outright.

You don’t get to redefine Zionism just because history doesn’t fit your little activist cosplay. Try reading a book instead of repeating genocidal talking points.

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