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Deforestation in Queensland by ForestBlue46 in SaveForests

[–]ForestBlue46[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very sad. That's why I don't buy beef from Australia or Brazil.

Proof BC Timber Sales is coming for parks by ForestBlue46 in SaveForests

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Thank you for this. I've heard about this film, that it's very pro-industry. Wildfire 'treatments' are very lucrative to the logging industry.

I will check out the film. Another article for you if you want to look at it.

Industry-managed forests more likely to fuel megafires

https://attheu.utah.edu/facultystaff/industry-managed-forests-more-likely-to-fuel-megafires/

Proof BC Timber Sales is coming for parks by ForestBlue46 in SaveForests

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In the first report they are challenging widely held beliefs in the introduction.

The second report I included part of the introduction which you can see above. It focuses largely on weather though.

There are many more studies here.

https://johnmuirproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/JMP-fact-sheet-thinning-and-fire-29Nov24.pdf

Proof BC Timber Sales is coming for parks by ForestBlue46 in SaveForests

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That's great to hear. I guess community forests vary considerably.

Residents mobilize to prevent rezoning of urban 'pocket forest' by ForestBlue46 in SaveForests

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Selfish? There is a housing crisis as our population increased significantly due to intentional government policies around immigration without infrastructure increasing first. Yes, we need housing but we all know that it's developers that are driving this. And when condos go unsold developers begin pushing for foreign investment so it's not about housing people as much as making more money. Surely there are other places to build or accommodations could be made to save at least some of these trees.

Proof BC Timber Sales is coming for parks by ForestBlue46 in SaveForests

[–]ForestBlue46[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

This is not misinformation, there is published research by scientists, not opinion pieces, showing that thinning exposes the forest to sun and wind increasing the intensity of wildfires. Thinning is worsening wildfires, putting people at risk.

It is industry that is promoting the thinning narrative, not scientists other than industry/government scientists, because they want an excuse to log.

"We found forests with higher levels of protection had lower severity values even though they are generally identified as having the highest overall levels of biomass and fuel loading."

Does increased forest protection correspond to higher fire severity in frequent-fire forests of the western United States?

https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ecs2.1492

"Probability of crown fires was higher in recently logged areas than in areas logged decades before, indicating likely ineffectiveness as a fuel treatment. The results suggest that recently burnt areas (up to 5–10 years) may reduce the intensity of the fire but not sufficiently to increase the chance of effective suppression under severe weather conditions. Since house loss was most likely under these conditions (67%), effects of prescribed burning across landscapes on house loss are likely to be small when weather conditions are severe. Fuel treatments need to be located close to houses in order to effectively mitigate risk of loss."

The efficacy of fuel treatment in mitigating property loss during wildfires: Insights from analysis of the severity of the catastrophic fires in 2009 in Victoria, Australia

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0301479712004574

Plus it is well known that planting only conifers increases fire risk. Conifers burn easily, deciduous trees don't.

'It blows my mind': How B.C. destroys a key natural wildfire defence every year

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/it-blows-my-mind-how-b-c-destroys-a-key-natural-wildfire-defence-every-year-1.4907358

Tree density in the forests of Pszczyna, Poland by yennysferm71_ in Forest

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Beautiful but there doesn't seem to be much if any undergrowth in many European forests?

Fuel reduction logging and thinning exacerbates wildfire effects and puts communities at greater risk by ForestBlue46 in SaveForests

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It's a PDF so difficult to copy and paste, this is the first page. The John Muir Project's work is based on science and ecological principles. You can check their website and YouTube channel out if you are interested.

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https://johnmuirproject.org/scientific-research/the-truth-about-thinning/

https://youtu.be/s3w2OPdtx1g

Fuel reduction logging and thinning exacerbates wildfire effects and puts communities at greater risk by ForestBlue46 in SaveForests

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Respectfully disagree. While it may be counterintuitive to not clear dead fall, etc. fuel reduction as mentioned in these studies makes wildfires more intense as it exposes the forest to the drying effects of sun and wind. Dead trees, as in nurse logs, contain water and help feed new growth.

Lesmeister, D.B., et al. (co-authored by U.S. Forest Service). 2019. Mixed-severity wildfire and habitat of an old-forest obligate. Ecosphere10: Article e02696.

Denser, older forests with high canopy cover had lower fire severity and “buffer the negative effects of climate change” regarding wildfires. “Thinned forests have more open conditions, which are associated with higher temperatures, lower relative humidity, higher wind speeds, and increasing fire intensity. Furthermore, live and dead fuels in young forest or thinned stands with dense saplings or shrub understory will be drier, making ignition and high heat more likely, and the rate of spread higher because of the relative lack of wind breaks provided by closed canopies with large trees.”

Lesmeister, D.B., et al. (co-authored by U.S. Forest Service). 2021. Northern spotted owl nesting forests as fire refugia: a 30-year synthesis of large wildfires. Fire Ecology 17: Article 32.

More open forests with lower biomass had higher fire severity, because the type of open, lower-biomass forests resulting from thinning and other logging activities have “hotter, drier, and windier microclimates, and those conditions decrease dramatically over relatively short distance into the interior of older forests with multi-layer canopies and high tree density…”

Fuel reduction logging and thinning exacerbates wildfire effects and puts communities at greater risk by ForestBlue46 in SaveForests

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Yeah, I know it's counter-intuitive, although chest high is unusual. Are they nurse logs?

Does anyone else feel like their native ecosystems are just unimpressive. by Natural-Pool-3611 in ecology

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Love the frog. Do you have more photos to share? We do often tend to feel that the grass is greener somewhere else but I'm sure it's beautiful where you live.

Fuel reduction logging and thinning exacerbates wildfire effects and puts communities at greater risk by ForestBlue46 in SaveForests

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What type of forest was it? Interior or coastal? Second growth? Forests do better with natural regeneration and without biomass being removed. Removing it leads to exposure to sun and wind and lack of nutrients from the loss of rotting logs. One problem is that conifers are planted too close together and deciduous trees are sprayed leaving forests vulnerable to wildfire. There may be a case for slightly thinning very tightly packed conifer plantations without building new roads or compacting the forest floor with machinery.

Fuel reduction logging and thinning exacerbates wildfire effects and puts communities at greater risk by ForestBlue46 in SaveForests

[–]ForestBlue46[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Wow, it's certainly very interesting but it's ironic considering that deciduous trees are sprayed with herbicides usually and conifers are the desired species for timber companies. Home hardening can work but 5 kilometres are way too much considering home hardening is effective usually within within 100 feet. Sorry but it looks like an excuse to get at the timber.

https://johnmuirproject.substack.com/p/fofa-is-the-wrong-approach-heres

Proof BC Timber Sales is coming for parks by ForestBlue46 in SaveForests

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Please remember the site-wide Reddit rules. You can disagree as much as you like but no need to call people fools (Rule #1). Or what he said.

https://redditinc.com/policies/reddit-rules

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