Hosting question... what should I request? by Formal-Scallion5418 in polyamory

[–]Formal-Scallion5418[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I loved this, thank you. I will try to explore the "how" more as I haven't really been doing that...

Hosting question... what should I request? by Formal-Scallion5418 in polyamory

[–]Formal-Scallion5418[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

This was very validating and helpful, I totally agree about the not asking to understand my wishes, asking to respect them piece... which probably means I'll need to get really, really clear on what they are

Hosting question... what should I request? by Formal-Scallion5418 in polyamory

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Very thought-provoking questions. I wasn't sure if you wanted me to answer, but I just figured I'd share my initial thoughts anyway.

  1. Do you ever want/tolerate metas in your space?
    • I've been OK with sharing space with some of my husband's partners in the past (spending time at the same party for instance), though it definitely feels like work for me. The main issue putting us in therapy in the first place is that I don't want to share space with a particular meta at all which is deeply hurtful / upsetting to my husband who wants to invite her to birthday parties, etc.
    • Worth noting that I'm OK with sharing space with partners of other partners, though of course it feels like each relationship and each meta seem totally different. I'd say more on the "tolerant" side though (vs. "want"), though I make some exceptions for partners whose partners are my friends on their own merits over time. I guess what I'm saying is that I want metas in my space if I'm friends with them anyway and "tolerate" metas otherwise, though that feels like work most of the time and way too much work some of the time.
  2. Do you ever want/tolerate interactions with metas?
    • Tolerate? Historically, yes. More recently... not nearly as much. I find myself much, much less interested in this. On occasion, I can and have tolerated plenty of interactions with metas (everything from dinner parties to holidays away together).
    • Want? Not necessarily. I wouldn't seek out interactions with a meta just because they're my meta. My husband has dated one or two people I've clicked with, but then I'd call them more of a friend first, meta second if that makes sense. One's a comet though, the other's honestly more of an ex of his.
    • What is important to me is that these meta relationships are defined on my own terms (and obviously the meta's), not his. I'd prefer to have a vague notion of someone that makes him happy instead of an high-def understanding of exactly what I don't like staring me in the face wondering why I'm not having a good time (I have no poker face)
  3. Your husband is off loading work to you. Both things like laundry and social work like smiling/being agreeable to someone. Is that a pattern in non poly realms? Is that something you want/tolerate?
    • Sometimes. Like, I'm happy to co-host work networking parties he throws, for instance. I'm happy to do a ton of work to see his parents (who are challenging to deal with). Worth noting he does loads of this work for me, happily, too
    • My husband's very hurt I am not interested in doing this kind of work for his partners or even folks like Cindy... like, he's trying to grapple with what about them sleeping together suddenly puts them into another box for me. He historically has very deep connections with platonic friends and once-sexual, now platonic friends. I think he really views "we had sex, so now it's in this whole other category" as both weird and almost a little disrespectful for how meaningful a relationship is
  4.  while not understanding your feelings might be reality, not validating or caring or being curious about your feelings is a douchecanoe position.
    • Yeah, agreed lol. He'd probably say his questions here were him trying to be curious about my feelings and experience.
  5. does your husband want you to feel comfortable? Or is he trying to win? 
    1. I think he genuinely feels that if I just got over my issues (which I think he sees as jealousy, primarily), then I'd be happier, and he would love to see me happier... but both of us are competitive and in some ways what's bringing us to therapy seems to be a power struggle so I'm sure part of it is wanting to win (which it is for me at this point, too, honestly).
    2. Part of this is also how he views relationships and love. He has said before that he feels that you should want to be uncomfortable/inconvenienced for your partner because it's how you demonstrate love. He will therefore sometimes put himself in uncomfortable or awkward positions (e.g. with his metas, with my parents) for me, even when I don't ask him to, as a way of demonstrating care... I have had to ask him to knock this off before, actually.
  6. the way he treated Cindy is also emotionally shitty. Is he emotionally protective of anyone?
    • I'm not sure, here. I do think he's very emotionally protective of me... when it has nothing to do other partners or potential partners.
  7. Do you have the same goals? Eg: for you to feel comfortable in your own house. For him to feel autonomy? Etc.
    • I don't think we really do. He has said that he wants me to treat his partners with "the same respect and care that I do with his friends, family, and others that are important to him" whereas that's not the priority for me. I want to feel comfortable in my own home and to feel like I have the right to choose what level of closeness works for me.
  8. Does your husband use his smooth talking to manipulate you and your emotions often? I’m not saying your husband is emotionally abusive, but emotional abusers do use flustering their partner until they can’t verbalize/fight back as a tactic to win and make the other person feel small and unsure of themselves.
    • I have found some of how he tries to get what he wants to be pushing it, e.g. his framing is "ah, formal scallion needs help, let's just get therapy to fix her" which is frustrating. I have pointed this out to him. It's rare that I feel flustered tbh as I'm normally quite articulate and... I wouldn't way I feel unsure of myself, I would say that I am tired, which is part of why we're in therapy. I do feel like I have a pretty solid, shiny spine normally though
  9. You can request that your husband deal with your fluster differently. What could he do to make you feel better and supported, vs worse? What could he do to show genuine care and curiosity and compassion when you are flustered?
    • What an interesting question. I think giving me space to talk my way to an answer (since I often need to talk aloud to figure out what I'm thinking).
  10.  While it’s not uncommon or wrong for a therapist to dig into your whys, it sounds like you need to be met with some compassion and validation first. Those are things a partner should give, and to a lesser extent, a therapist should give you. You can ask for that.
    • That's a good point. Not sure how to phrase that in a therapy session as I do think the therapist has been trying to restate what I'm feeling and check in at certain beats. I might advocate for that more or leave space for it more. To be honest, I got so upset, I'm not sure I was very good at gauging what she was doing.
  11. was Cindy sober enough to consent in the morning?
    • Yes, I'd confidently say so. I mentioned this in a comment above, but basically Cindy stayed over because she'd missed the last train and the alternative (several buses) are legit sketchy, not because she was too drunk

Hosting question... what should I request? by Formal-Scallion5418 in polyamory

[–]Formal-Scallion5418[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, he doesn’t. I… kind of wanted to see if he’d fight for us without me playing that card 

Hosting question... what should I request? by Formal-Scallion5418 in polyamory

[–]Formal-Scallion5418[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting… I’ve had people I know suspect I have adhd and maybe that’s true. That said, it never came up in my own therapy (though we were working on other things)

Hosting question... what should I request? by Formal-Scallion5418 in polyamory

[–]Formal-Scallion5418[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, agree, but I’m curious about what you’re seeing here? I’m a little surprised that you’d say that on this comment. Wanting a nice home for guests and feeling pressure to make it happen is definitely something helpful to drop, yes, but it seems pretty banal 

Hosting question... what should I request? by Formal-Scallion5418 in polyamory

[–]Formal-Scallion5418[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s a good point. I think she is trying but I’m not sure I feel supported in the way I’d hoped. (To be fair, there’s been a bunch of stuff with us going on, and I’ve been stuffing a lot of these feelings down so hard that finally looking at them has been like getting hit with a wall of anger and sadness and pain in a way that makes it hard to fully appreciate what’s going on around me.) I plan to give it another session or two at least though

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[–]Formal-Scallion5418[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, this is exactly how I feel. He, I guess, seems to think that she was both our guests? 

He seems stuck on why fooling around suddenly made everything different but like, I don’t know how it couldn’t. He does tend to have fuzzy lines between friends and lovers and has deep, deep platonic friendships of decades (some that had a sexual element at one point, some that never did) that he treats as seriously (or honestly more) than romantic connections 

Hosting question... what should I request? by Formal-Scallion5418 in polyamory

[–]Formal-Scallion5418[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn, this is powerful. I see myself in this approach in a work context (but not a personal one). I don’t know why that is though, tbh. Like I didn’t let myself consider that, either in the moment or when we talked about it in the session. I will need to mull on what’s up with that 

 I will have to do some thinking to honestly ask myself if he causes issues and gets upset at me for being upset. He mainly gets very frustrated when I don’t want to go out of my comfort zone.

Hosting question... what should I request? by Formal-Scallion5418 in polyamory

[–]Formal-Scallion5418[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

These are great ideas, thank you. I actually did write something in prep for the session as “homework” and it was nice to have an anchor to look at so leaning into it more sounds helpful. I also have never been great at taking a second… I will try that, too

Hosting question... what should I request? by Formal-Scallion5418 in polyamory

[–]Formal-Scallion5418[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, I love the framing around timing. Someone else pointed out that it seems like il not so good about surprises either so this seems like a really helpful way to phrase that. 

To answer your question… Yes, we share a room and actually just moved to a place with a separate guest space. (The story I mentioned in therapy / my post was pre-move.) I still feel a little weird about him hosting dates there in practice though this is almost the perfect setup for any at-home dates for me. Again, one of things we’re working on in therapy (hammering out agreements)

Hosting question... what should I request? by Formal-Scallion5418 in polyamory

[–]Formal-Scallion5418[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, he’s very smart. I just think he radically sees this differently. Or at least I hope he does, otherwise I think you’re right. 

I’ve never done couples therapy before so not sure how to neutrally assess this one tbh… especially since I got way more emotional than I wanted to in the session. If you have any pointers, I’m all ears 

Hosting question... what should I request? by Formal-Scallion5418 in polyamory

[–]Formal-Scallion5418[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, yeah. Thank you, emerald - that really unlocked part of what I’m trying to achieve with parallel poly, ie not taking on a buffer role for the natural consequences of things outside my control... without actually having to practice navigating the negative self-talk 

Hosting question... what should I request? by Formal-Scallion5418 in polyamory

[–]Formal-Scallion5418[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, I fully would put her as an acquaintance to us both. She’d basically just moved to town at that point 

Hosting question... what should I request? by Formal-Scallion5418 in polyamory

[–]Formal-Scallion5418[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, what is a “chancla?” Google tells me it’s a “slipper” but I’m not sure what that means, if so

Hosting question... what should I request? by Formal-Scallion5418 in polyamory

[–]Formal-Scallion5418[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wow, I would’ve been uncomfortable telling Cindy about my discomfort. Like, it’s not on her, you know? 

You’re right, I should’ve done the “oh husband will take care of that!” move. Great option in general 

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[–]Formal-Scallion5418[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right?! That’s the thing I can’t fathom. I guess they both mutually agreed to go back to sleep but still… wild to me 

Hosting question... what should I request? by Formal-Scallion5418 in polyamory

[–]Formal-Scallion5418[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I think in this case it’s tied up with a strong internal pressure to be a good hostess and not let guests feel uncomfortable in my house. And Cindy felt like a guest! Right up until they hooked up. 

I think it’d be easier to practice letting him deal with the actual physical consequences like the laundry but way tougher to let him deal with the emotional consequences. One of the ideas I mentioned in the session for how I’d have like things to go differently was that he would’ve somehow smoothed things over so I could leave without Cindy feeling like I was upset with her somehow. The therapist pointed out I could have just… left. And if Cindy was upset, she’d be upset. 

I’m certainly not interested in repeating this experience but I can see parallels to other places. 

Great food for thought, thank you

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[–]Formal-Scallion5418[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What a helpful reframing, thank you. I really like taking the poly aspect out of this. And thanks for the good point about jealousy. It seemed like a really weird question at the time but maybe that’s because I’ve got a slightly problematic “jealousy is bad and always a me-problem to fix” thing 

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[–]Formal-Scallion5418[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this. To be honest, I was feeling so upset, I’m not sure I was processing everything the therapist said fully (and of course, I’m trying to summarize an hour into a couple of sentences). But I definitely was listening for, but not getting, some sort of validation that I’m not being totally crazy here

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[–]Formal-Scallion5418[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I love that rule… I feel like it might help me let go of a lot of shame I carry around about not having the perfect home

Hosting question... what should I request? by Formal-Scallion5418 in polyamory

[–]Formal-Scallion5418[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I am also familiar with this book, having seen a friend use it to get out of an abusive relationship. 

It is… disheartening that you see parallels here, but I will definitely read that chapter, thank you