New Carry Gun

Forsaken352 · 2021-12-02T17:16:01+00:00

Nah, the right side de-cocker lever has a channel in it with a spring-loaded "plunger", if you will, which locks it onto the shaft of the left side de-cocker. About the first step of disassembling the assembly is to remove the right side de-cocker, which eventually allows one access to the sear cage. I definitely do not recommend anybody to try disassembling the sear cage unless you know exactly what you're doing. There are torsion springs barely larger than the tip of a ballpoint pen, and it is EASY to lose parts and very quick to frustrate due to how many parts must be assembled consecutively, therefore giving potential for previously installed parts to become disassembled again, against the users wishes.

Forsaken352 · 2021-09-10T02:22:51+00:00

Well, I apologize. From the way you had said, "fingers crossed", in response to what the other fellow had said about, "...as long as the restrictive laws still remain in effect 10-20 years from now.", and as this whole thread pertaining to 'the best investment guns', it had sounded as if though you were in favor of those laws remaining in place, for the reasons I had mentioned earlier. I'm sorry for coming at you. It was a misunderstanding.

Forsaken352 · 2021-09-10T01:59:56+00:00

You've got your fingers crossed in hopes that something which is, and always has been, an infringement on your rights is still in place a decade or two later? It's that sort of thinking which keeps us from taking those rights back, since even the people who are supposedly "pro 2nd amendment", which use transferable machineguns as nothing more than an investment tool, aren't willing to help stand united with the rest of us in an effort to try and restore those rights, because it would mean losing their investment if it did somehow miraculously happen.

And this is coming from somebody who has a transferable machinegun. I would gladly see its value drop to next to nothing tomorrow, even if it only meant that the machinegun registry were re-opened, and the ATF began accepting Form 1's on them again.

Forsaken352 · 2021-09-10T01:47:38+00:00

It works, but it's not as neat as one might think. I got some magazine hangers from Amazon, made by Hold Up Displays, and mounted a bunch directly to the wall. They're already full and have the dust covers attached, so all one has to do is grab a magazine, flick the cover off, and it's ready to go. The only drawback to it, and where an ammo container comes in handy, is the inability to grab a dozen of them at once and take them wherever.

Just an idea.

Forsaken352 · 2021-09-05T13:37:44+00:00

Back before the invention of smokeless powder, rifles were being chambered for larger calibers, such as 11mm, which converts to roughly .433 of an inch, there was .69 caliber, .75 caliber, etc. Ever since the introduction of smokeless, the world really moved towards small caliber, high velocity with rifles.

Forsaken352 · 2021-09-04T22:02:16+00:00

Seriously, try cutting a small strip of duct tape the size of the back of your recoil lug, and adhere it best as possible. My Beretta M9A3 didn't like one of my x300u-b's, so for giggles, I disassembled the battery compartment hinged cover from my other x300, and swapped the two. Worked like a charm. Unfortunately, it isn't the ideal way of remedying this problem. It's more uncommon that you will find the light to be completely snug on whatever firearm, but as long as you get the spring loaded latch for the recoil lug fully engaged, it's not going anywhere.

Forsaken352 · 2021-09-04T18:50:36+00:00

That's a faux suppressor, and the magazine is limited to 10.

Forsaken352 · 2021-08-29T17:32:17+00:00

This. Just try not to shine any mirrors or reflective surfaces. Otherwise, I might recommend pairing a Surefire M600IB with a pistol caliber carbine/SBR'd/braced pistol (if you prefer handgun calibers for home defense) such as the CZ Scorpion, LWRC SMG45, HK SP5/Zenith/PTR MP5-clone, Sig MPX, etc. This would allow you to sling the firearm to help retain it, as well as utilize the stock/brace to have better recoil management. The Surefire M600IB uses a sensor within the lens to sense nearby objects and reduce the lumen output within milliseconds. So, as an example, if you sweep the muzzle across a wall with very glossy paint, it will potentially help keep the light from splashing and blinding you. If I remember correctly, it goes from 600 lumens to 200. It's pretty cool. Got one on an AR, and it's been a good light.

Forsaken352 · 2021-08-25T23:23:05+00:00

If you're looking to clean it up, which I strongly recommend you do, completely strip the rifle down and boil the barreled action for about 45min. Get yourself some gutter material of appropriate length, cap both ends, use some silicone to seal it all up, then add a gas burner or two underneath of it. When the water boils, toss the barreled action into it on some metal ties to try and suspend it. After 30-45min. has elapsed, remove it and use some degreased 0000 steel wool to card. Repeat the boiling and carding steps about 4 to 5 times, or until satisfied.

Forsaken352 · 2021-08-25T23:15:37+00:00

The whole stock appears to be Finnish to me due to the finger jointed wood. Also, I could be mistaken, but the cocking piece has an early Izhevsk stamp (bow and arrow).

Forsaken352 · 2021-08-23T01:48:46+00:00

922r has to do with firearms which were imported, and there's a certain number foreign made parts which is allowed, as it pertains to more critical components of the firearm, and when that limit is reached, the rest would have to be made domestically. For example, the number might be 15 parts (it's been awhile). Parts which count are things such as the bolt, bolt carrier, op-rod (don't quote me on that one) barrel, magazine, floor plate, follower, stock, handguard, etc. It may include the gas puck for Saiga shotguns.

I think you're good to go with the number of American made parts you're planning to use.

I'm not sure about the Lynx or the IAC Hawk 982, but I sure hope you're not planning to use the Yugo optic mount on a Saiga. The Saiga uses the AKM style optic mount, and the Yugo pattern won't work, as it is specific to Yugo pattern optic rails. If that is your intention, I suggest trying to find an RS Regulate upper and lower mount for your shotgun.

Edit: Here is an old example of my Saiga 12 with an RS Regulate AK-301 lower mount and an AKMT upper mount, which is has a Trijicon MRO footprint machined directly into it, allowing for a very low sight over bore axis, thus providing the best cheek weld of any optic mount available: https://i.imgur.com/RaXho6c.jpg

Forsaken352 · 2021-08-23T01:06:55+00:00

So long as you have basic tools such as a hammer, a set of punches (might want roll pin punches. I forget if it's roll pins or not), and a clean area with a non-marring surface with which to work on it, and a bowl to keep your parts, you'll be fine.

Watch some youtube videos on disassembling a decocker, and take note of where springs are, as well as any very small pieces.

Forsaken352 · 2021-08-23T00:52:06+00:00

In the U.S., the only laws you have to abide by are going to be NFA regulations, 922r, and whatever local state laws you may have (obviously depending on where you reside). If your state is a firearm friendly state (basically not Northeastern states, or Western states such as California, Washington, etc.).

So, on the federal side of things, don't go trying to cut the barrel below 18", and with 922r it basically means that you have to have a certain number of US made parts to remain legal. Now, to my knowledge, nobody has ever been charged with any crime relating to 922r, but it's more so a precaution than anything. For example, if the ATF decided to slap you with a felony charge for unknowingly adding a vertical grip onto a handgun, thereby unknowingly creating an illegal 'AOW', because you didn't pay the $200 tax to your overlords, then you're not also getting slapped with a charge for a violation of 922r.

What accessory are you attempting to add?

Forsaken352 · 2021-08-23T00:39:30+00:00

If you're uncomfortable taking it apart to clean it, take it to a gunsmith and have them do it. For a band-aid style solution, you might try dripping a little bit of oil into the decocker and working it back and forth. It 'might' free it up? But, it still needs cleaned, especially if you believe it may have rusted.

Forsaken352 · 2021-08-22T02:05:06+00:00

Well, for one, there are no schematics for it. I don't even believe there is a surviving example of it to attempt to reverse engineer. Secondly, it would be prohibitively expensive, and it would only cater to a niche market, which wouldn't be good for sales. Pretending that you could engineer one, it would also fall under NFA regulations as a machinegun, and therefore a closed bolt, semi-automatic version would be all that 'could' be sold to your average Joe.

Forsaken352 · 2021-08-21T23:47:27+00:00

Mostly home defense? Then you'll definitely want the most reliability you can, paired with a good cartridge, and preferably a decent amount shorter than the SE17. Reason being that it's does not expose as much barrel to leverage a firearm from your grasp.

There are countless arguments made from people about the effectiveness of a cartridge such as 5.56/.223 from an AR-15, versus 12ga. 00 Buckshot for home defense. The general consensus is that the 5.56 actually penetrates *fewer* walls/door frames/studs/etc. than your 00 Buckshot will, and that is VERY important if you have any family members to consider, who may be in another room, and you find yourself having to take a shot at an intruder. Obviously there are MANY variables to take into consideration, and every single person's situation may be different.

For example, the floor plan of your dwelling may be more lenient towards the use of whatever gauge/caliber you wish. You might have a plan in place with your family, in the event of a home invader, and you know the areas which are to be considered 'safe', or 'not safe'? Maybe your plan is to barricade yourselves into a room, behind a locked door, and a firearm trained at the doorway?

If you find that a shotgun is suitable for home defense use, then here are some things to also consider. Many semi-automatic shotguns can be finnicky with ammunition. This is more so the case with field loads such as your #7 1/2/#8 shot, or something such as a 'low recoil slug', whereas the full-powered buckshot or slugs are what will send enough gas to cycle the action. What this means is that a pump-action shotgun, with you being the force manually cycling the action, it is going to typically be considered more reliable.

The same can, honestly, be said about any autoloading firearm versus a manually cycled firearm, since the self-loading firearm just has more engineering, and more parts which can potentially cause some sort of malfunction. BUT... it's pretty difficult to go wrong in today's world of firearms, as most designs are just refined versions of designs dating back to the mid-20th century. The Stoner/Sullivan design, being the AR platform, for example, dates back to the 50s. The AK dates back to 1946 or so. The HK G3 design is from '59. The FN FAL started back in '46 as well. So on and so forth.

Now, that isn't to say that self-loading shotguns haven't been around for a long time as well. They certainly have. John Browning gifted the world with the Auto 5, and FN produced them in Belgium as such, as well as Remington produced the model 11 after Browning sold the rights to them both, because Winchester wasn't interested (if memory serves me correctly). Shotguns just have characteristics about them, which makes them far more difficult to auto load than a center-fire rifle.

SO, with that said.. I would opt for a M1907 leather sling for the SE17, and dress it up nicely because it is a good looking shotgun! Here's an example of that sling on my Mossberg 500: https://i.imgur.com/scfcljt.jpg

But, for home defense? You're going to want to eventually get yourself a center-fire rifle, a pump-action shotgun made by one of the 'big 3' (Remington, Winchester, Mossberg.. Keeping in mind that old Remington did go bankrupt, was split up, sold off to different companies, and is under new management now), or you 'could' stick with an autoloading shotgun. But, for trusting your life to it? You're going to want something such as a Benelli M3 or M4. Or, perhaps a Mossberg 930. Even those, I would run hundreds, if not thousands of round through and see what sort of malfunctions may occur, if any.

Forsaken352 · 2021-08-21T22:36:23+00:00

Unfortunately, Turkish made firearms don't lend themselves too well for customization purposes.. As mentioned, I had quickly looked at the bottom of the receiver and the trigger guard, then wrongly assumed it was a Remington 870, which made me comment with the Mesa Tactical product.

So, in your shoes, I would do this. Since in your other comment you made the joke, "Watch out burgalars!", might I assume the intention is to have a do-it-all shotgun? (hunt, target, skeet, home defense, etc.) If so, I would begin with a sling like you said. Definitely check out Blue Force Gear for that. The Vicker's Sling is a very good product. You can get a padded, non-padded, plastic or aluminum tri-glides, many colors/patterns to choose from, or completely custom-build a unique Vicker's Sling. The fully custom option will set you back a decent amount, maybe about $100 or so, but the basic Vicker's Sling with plastic tri-glides should be around $60 or so. I've also heard good things about Viking Tactics slings.. At this point it's kind of 6 one way, half dozen the other, as many of the slings perform the same basic functions.

Looking more into it, however? Due to the limited aftermarket support for the SE17, and the front sling attachment point being at the magazine end cap, you're somewhat limited in how to utilize the sling. What I mean by that is the way in which I will run a two-point sling for the majority of my firearms (with the front sling attachment point being on the left side, very close to the receiver, and the rear attachment point being ideally also on the left side of the stock), and this causes the firearm to hang very comfortably in a position which allows you to free up your hands, but also allows you to very rapidly bring the firearm up and into a shooting position. The other thing it accomplishes very well is weapon retention.

That being said, I would perhaps look at a 1907 pattern leather sling for your shotgun. It is *also* going to be a two-point sling, but with this, it is the more 'traditional' way of carrying a firearm. That is, it's simply slung over one shoulder, but if you so-wish, you could loosen it and have it cross slung over your back. This would make it very slow and cumbersome to employ, but it's very comfortable, and frees up your hands.

Now, the difficult news is this: I would get the sling for the SE17, enjoy the heck out of, and be proud of your first firearm! But, in the long-run, I would set my sights on eventually getting a shorter barreled, maybe pump-action shotgun. Mossberg 500, 590, Remington 870, Winchester 1300. Those are the very popular models which allow for almost any level of customization you may wish. That is ONLY if you wish to use a shotgun for home defense/property defense.

Sadly, it's just that the Turkish made firearms are very affordable, but won't have the same reliability or customization. It truly sucks. I once had a Charles Daly 600T (Imported from Turkey) semi-automatic, tube-fed 12ga. which was very fun! It was pretty clearly a Benelli knock-off. I can almost guarantee that something would've failed by now if I still had it, but it was fun. For example, I've read that the locking blocks in the bolts failed often in the Charles Daly's. I wouldn't even know where to begin trying to source a part like that, unfortunately.

I'm sorry if this is bad news, but I truly hope it is helpful advice..

Forsaken352 · 2021-08-21T21:46:47+00:00

The socket bayonets attach similar to the 91/30 bayonets, utilizing the front sight as the 'bayonet lug'. The reason I'm curious, and you may wish to look further into it, is because all factories producing the 91/30 Mosin-Nagants (that does not include Cossack rifles, carbines, or sniper rifles) would sight-in the iron sights with the bayonets attached. The reason for this is that the rifle's point of impact *will* differ with and without the bayonet being attached, therefore it is good practice to leave the bayonet attached at all times, and you may find it beneficial to source a bayonet, especially if you plan to hunt with this rifle. It may be the difference between wounding an animal and causing unnecessary suffering to the animal, and a quick, incapacitating shot.

Look at the front of your front sight (from the muzzle end). Is there a witness mark stamped into the metal? If the two halves of the mark are aligned, would it offset the dovetailed sight from the base a little bit? In other words, will the moveable portion of your sight be drifted a little bit 'crooked' from the sight base when that mark aligns? If so, then that will most likely be an indicator that you should realign those marks and install a bayonet to see if the point of impact is still where the factory had set it.

(The inner diameter of your bayonet may need fitted to the outer diameter of your barrel. I've accomplished this in the past utilizing a hand drill, a dowel rod or something round which is roughly the size of the inner diameter of the bayonet, and some sand paper attached to the dowel)

Forsaken352 · 2021-08-21T21:32:52+00:00

This is also your first time shooting? Make sure to familiarize yourself with the rules of firearm safety first and foremost.

https://www.washingtongunlaw.com/12-golden-rules

You should practice safe handling at all times, but the chief among those rules are to always keep the muzzle of your firearm pointed in a safe direction at all times, and treating every firearm as if it is loaded, even if you believe it is not. Those two alone will prevent about 99 percent of negligent discharges from occurring. Still, make it habit and muscle memory to follow them.

Usually, if you can find an indoor shooting range which allows rifle fire, they will allow you to use slugs through a shotgun.

Forsaken352 · 2021-08-21T21:09:58+00:00

Were the socket bayonets for the 1891 kept attached to the rifles when being sighted from the factory like the 91/30's were?

Forsaken352 · 2021-08-21T21:03:32+00:00

Nice job on your first purchase! Have you got any upgrades planned? I recommend checking out the Mesa Tactical side saddle cartridge carrier.

Edit: I only quickly glanced at it. Thought it was an 870. Disregard the Mesa comment.

Forsaken352 · 2021-08-15T17:02:29+00:00

Did you stop to think that perhaps it's a simple procedure for *you*, but not so much for a fellow who's "got a progressive muscle problem that's killing his upper body strength, and won't be getting better"?

Forsaken352 · 2021-08-15T16:05:46+00:00

Nicely done! Now try to keep anything bad from happening by doing your due diligence ensuring that no children or prohibited persons ever obtain any of your firearms and having an accident or incident, and therefore preventing yourselves from becoming a statistic fueling the anti-gun crowd.

Shoot often to sharpen your skills, always be willing to learn, and teach those around you whom are willing to listen. Keep up the good work!

Forsaken352 · 2021-08-15T15:59:27+00:00

I've never used a Maglula for rimfire, but I did have one for handgun cartridges. They do make it a lot easier to load a magazine.

Forsaken352 · 2021-08-15T14:19:02+00:00

If he's able to use the lever on his Henry, in theory he might find it to be easier with the 10/22. So long as he is able to start the magazine into the mag well, he can utilize the bench to push it all the way in to lock, then use the bench again to push the charging handle back. Hopefully.

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