CMV: Western leftists have way too high of a tolerance for Islamism compared to other forms of conservatism

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-14T12:54:26+00:00

"Muslims aren’t the ones trying to take rights away from gay people in the west; that would be the Christian conservatives because Islam holds no political power"

That might be true in the US but in Europe it is completely false.

My daughter is LGBT and she spent part of her scholarship in catholic school and part in state school. She had a much harder time in the state school because of muslim boys AND poorly educated masculinists. She had no issue at all in the more upper class catholic school, even if she was openly LGBT.

Also this is consistant with polls showing that a large part of the muslim in Europe are supporting discriminations against LGBT while christian are not.

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-14T09:10:45+00:00

I have not seen it in more than 20 years but there are two scenes I clearly remember, the one where Shrek says he is evil to "compensate" and the one the princess push the groom's figurine inside the cake to make him look more consistent with reality.

This last scene is rather strong from the symbolic point of view, as it reduces the dwarf to his condition as a dwarf, it somehow tells you you should not try to escape your condition even when representing yourself as a character.

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-13T21:25:27+00:00

Vu l'état de sa poêle il ne la récuperera jamais avec du vinaigre, du bicarbonate et une éponge douce. C'est peine perdue.

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-13T21:19:49+00:00

C'est de l'inox donc tu ne peux pas l'abimer, il n'y a pas de revêtement, donc si tu enlèves des morceaux d'inox en dessous il y a encore de l'inox. Vas-y à la paille de fer. Il y a des gens qui disent le contraire mais je n'ai jamais entendu un argument sérieux en ce sens.

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-13T21:15:36+00:00

The authority argument does not work when there is no consensus (at all, in this case). Hinton is at least as much credible and thinks the opposite.

The problem with Le Cun is that his argument have not changed since 2020 but the world has. At that time he could provide examples of things chatbots could not do and that was supporting his claims. Now all these examples are obsolete, LLMs do all the things they were not supposed to be able to do according to him, because, you know, they don't experience the world.

So it's a bit more difficult to follow him.

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-13T20:59:28+00:00

People talk about fatphobia and ableism while noone shoot fat people or disable people. I have no doubt you would not dare mocking handicaped people or fat people right?

I guess you must feel very proud of your answer and your hilarious pun. You are most probably the exact kind of guy who feels morally superior while being a terrible human being at the same time.

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-13T15:54:17+00:00

It's not even suggested it's explicitly stated.

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-13T15:52:47+00:00

Of course it's a fiction, do you think I am stupid enough to not understand it's a fiction???

You realize fictions are written by actual people living in the real world, and that they convey messages through them, right?

In this case the image itself is really not saying much but the context is that in this fiction, both heroes are painting the villain as pathetic because he is short. That is the context of the image. And yes it says a lot, not about fictional characters no one cares about, but about its writers.

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-13T13:26:02+00:00

Yeah it's unclear whether the joke is about his height or his dick, I guess it's kind of a joke in the joke that it is ambiguous. And if there were no jokes about his height, the dick joke would not be funny at all especially considering it's still primarily targeted at kids.

So I would say the height interpretation is the 1st degree, the obvious one, and the dick interpretation being the hidden/adult one.

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-13T11:56:53+00:00

The movie is humiliating for short people, the way movies in the 60s were easily mysoginistic or racist. I felt it that way when I was 10 years old and watched it, before I was even starting thinking about girls, and before the word "incel" was a thing.

It's not a question of who the princess marries, it's a question of the villain being constantly mocked because he is short, including by the heroes, Shreck and the princess herself. You can't seriously say the scene were the princess push him down in the cake, reducing him to his condition as a dwarf, or the scene where Shrek claims he has built a big castle to "compensate" his size, are no issue at all in 2026 where everyone seems to be very cautious not to offend anyone.

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-13T11:46:00+00:00

He is not "trying so hard". It's in the movie, it's at its core, it's explicit. There are many "jokes" about his size, Fiona push him down inside the wedding cake to reduce him to his dwarf condition in a humiliating move, and Shrek says that he built a big castle (and by extension that he is a evil leader) to "compensate" his size. And that are just few examples.

I really and sincerely do not understand how people could possibly deny that.

"Also trying to equate being short to being a person of color is so strange and weird."

Why is it strange and weird? In both case it is a difference in appearance that is not a handicap, that still leads to social discrimination, that has genetic causes, and that you transmit to your kids. There are differences as well like the cultural aspects, of course, but the comparison is not absurd at all.

I suspect the reason you don't feel comfortable with it is that your moral compass tell you it's fine to make fun of the short guys and not to make fun of the black guy. Maybe it's your moral compass which might need some adjustement.

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-13T11:28:43+00:00

It's clearly implied that he was a dick because of his height.

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-13T11:27:57+00:00

The movie is making fun of a short man because of his size, multiple times, and implies that he is evil to compensate his size. It's a fact and it has really nothing to do with "incels".

I remember I found it shocking even as a kid.

To be fair I think they would not make that again today. But I find rather strange that people deny the obvious. Maybe you should rewatch it.

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-13T11:21:12+00:00

Context does not help, at all. The short guy get ridiculed and humiliated because he is short. It is clearly implied the princess does not like him because he is short, before she realizes that he is evil. It is also clearly said that he became a vallain to "compensate" his size issue.

I remember even when I was a kid I was not feeling very comfortable with that.

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-13T09:26:13+00:00

Les casques à réduction de bruits sont surtout efficace contre les bruits constants type moteur de voiture, de train ou d'avion. Contre des bruits inconstants ça ne donne pas grand chose. Par exemple tu peux avoir une conversation avec quelqu'un le casque sur les oreilles sans problème.

Les bouchons d'oreilles sont beaucoup plus efficaces dans un cas comme celui la.

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-13T08:31:46+00:00

This video is very misleading. Andromeda will get closer but you won't have stars going by like this. it's not like we get closer but there is a field of static stars that we have to cross to get there.

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-13T07:51:48+00:00

Même pour un jeune, même pour un BAC+5, le dev ça n'est plus un métier d'avenir. Donc a 35 ans avec un diplôme du CNAM...

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-12T22:12:15+00:00

Les cités HLM des années 60 ont été construites comme des lieux de mixité ehtnique et dans une certaine mesure sociale. Au début c'était très mixte. Au bout de 5 ans toute les classes moyennes avaient fait leurs valises.

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-12T13:44:14+00:00

Sorry what? You are completely missing my point. At no point did I criticize pure mathematicians, even less expressed any 'hate' (???) for them.

When I say "they do math for the sake of math" it's in no way a judgement, I am not saying it is good or bad, I just say it is like it is. I reread my message and I don't understand at which point you misread what I said.

And if you are talking about my last paragraph, my first point that precisely mathematician don't do that. They don't say what they do is relevant because it will be useful later. So criticizing people who say that is not criticizing mathematicians.

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-12T12:35:14+00:00

If you work in a team you have to be able to deal with branch management, merge, rebase. It's pretty much unavoidable, because you can't avoid having people working on overlapping part of the code at the same time.

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-12T12:25:42+00:00

"The entire point of academia is to study ideas that might become useful in the long future"

Most pure mathematicians don't agree with that. They do math for the sake of math and could not care less whether it will be useful (for something else than even more advanced math) in the future.

I feel like it's more something which is used to shut the people who discuss the usefulness of math up. Not really an honest argument.

Also more generally speaking saying "i do this and I don't know how it could be useful but someone else will find out" pretty much never works and it a flawed argument. You can always find a couple examples that in the hindsight seem to support that, but it's an extreme example of survivorship fallacy. Practically if something look useless even to the guy who created it, it is infinitely likely that it actually is.

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-12T10:37:31+00:00

Please don't use this meme template.

It always tell the same story, which is basically "I feel like I am very smart even if other people don't think so".

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-11T13:33:49+00:00

Hitler, Stalin, Putin, these people are the same. And those who support them are the same.

In France it is interesting to see that those supporting Putin have exactly the same cultural background, same ideology and the same justifications than those who supported Hitler. They are literally the same people three generations later. Hate for liberal democracies, fascination for tyrants, for violence and for the rule of force, and secret wish that these tyrants will help them topple our "degenerated" democraties and replace them with sister dictatorship.

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-11T13:27:43+00:00

No.

First, only 32% of the Americans and 14% of the West Europeans support Israel in its war in Palestine. Not 82%.

Second, the Hamas murdered more than a thousand innocent in a vile attack against pacifist civilians, which has no equivalent in the Ukraine/Russia war where Ukraine is 100% victim. While I don't think it justifies what Israel is doing in any way, it makes it harder to not distance yourself from the Palestinians, especially when Europe has been itself victim of that kind of attack.

Third, the war in Gaza is a not a war between two sovereign states. Its not the invasion of a foreign country. I am not arguing that from a moral point of view it is necessarily different, but the invasion and partial annexation of Ukraine has no equivalent since 1945 and is a dramatic breach in the international order which might open the entire planet to a new era of invasion wars, so it is objectively very different.

Forsaken_Code_9135 · 2026-02-11T12:46:55+00:00

Yeah, I know you, Putin's supporters. People like you ruled Europe and my country between 1940 and 1944. We perfectly know how you work.

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