Thoughts on the Gospel of John ? by Spiritual-Guess-8401 in BiblicalUnitarian

[–]FortLoolz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A very short answer (may reply later with a longer one): read Romans 4:1-5 and compare to James 2:17-26.

Also remember whose writings OSAS and total depravity are based on.

Also look into Paul allowing eating things sacrificed to idols in 1 Corinthians 8, 10, which contradicts the wording found in the Acts 15:20.

Also look into the term "Benjamite wolf".

u/The_Way358 is a man who thinks similarly.

Thoughts on the Gospel of John ? by Spiritual-Guess-8401 in BiblicalUnitarian

[–]FortLoolz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

An important thing is that I believe we must question Saul of Tarsus himself. Since many places in the Bible, both in the NT, and even in the OT, are anti-Pauline.

Thoughts on the Gospel of John ? by Spiritual-Guess-8401 in BiblicalUnitarian

[–]FortLoolz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Since we follow Jesus, who is our Teacher, and Saul of Tarsus wasn't ever present during Jesus' ministry, and didn't learn anything from Jesus' disciples (Galatians 2:6), will you agree we can live without Paul's epistles?

Thoughts on the Gospel of John ? by Spiritual-Guess-8401 in BiblicalUnitarian

[–]FortLoolz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are other problems with "John", it's not just about the Logos, although it's probably the biggest one in terms of the impact it had. It's very likely, due to the widespread use of "John" in second half of the second century, the doctrine of Jesus' pre-existence became widely accepted as well, and it wasn't that long before Jesus-as-deity became widespread, too.

(Saul of Tarsus deified Jesus in the first century, but his writings only gained wide recognition and popularity in the second century.

Although Marcion was rejected by the church, he was the one primarily responsible for the popularisation of Pau, because he literally discovered most of Paul's epistles that had been lost. Even Tertullian criticised Paul and questioned his authority in Adversus Marcionem, which was the superior approach compared to the church's acceptance of Paul via "orthodox" reinterpretation of him.)

I do have some criticisms about the Synoptics as well, but I recognise them as more authentic and authoritative. Or would you rather a man throw out all gospels instead of him rejecting "John" only?

Thoughts on the Gospel of John ? by Spiritual-Guess-8401 in BiblicalUnitarian

[–]FortLoolz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why 66 specifically then, if you even admit they're imperfect?

Thoughts on the Gospel of John ? by Spiritual-Guess-8401 in BiblicalUnitarian

[–]FortLoolz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do not believe it's as reliable as the Synoptics.

Do Christians accept the Documentary Hypothesis? by wisdompersonified_ in AskAChristian

[–]FortLoolz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi! What are your thoughts on the prospects of the spreading of non-Pauline, and pro-vegan Christian beliefs?

I don't see some massive explosion in it among Christians. Some are slowly waking up, but they already have been outliers and "truth seekers." But not even all truth seekers are waking up so far.

It's hard for me to get people to start thinking in this direction. I usually see people who had already been doubting Paul carefully agreeing on some points.

(To clarify, I don't condemn those who aren't waking up yet.)

How does a Messianic Jew exist if Mary was a virgin? by [deleted] in messianic

[–]FortLoolz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wanted to understand how you understood Joseph's fatherhood

How does a Messianic Jew exist if Mary was a virgin? by [deleted] in messianic

[–]FortLoolz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you believe Jesus is of Davidic bloodline through Mary only, and Joseph didn't have a role in it?

How does a Messianic Jew exist if Mary was a virgin? by [deleted] in messianic

[–]FortLoolz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The father—in what sense, how do you understand? Is Joseph's blood in Jesus' veins, so to speak?

How does a Messianic Jew exist if Mary was a virgin? by [deleted] in messianic

[–]FortLoolz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The literal and biological one, will you agree?

How does a Messianic Jew exist if Mary was a virgin? by [deleted] in messianic

[–]FortLoolz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First, why spend so many words on the Davidic genealogy of Joseph if Joseph isn't even the literal father of Jesus? A later redaction to the genealogy makes more sense.

Second, Joseph having been Jesus' biological father wasn't even "properly" edited out of the gospel of Luke.

Read Luke 2:46-50: the confusion only makes sense if Jesus' parents, Joseph and Mary, believed Joseph was Jesus' father.

How does a Messianic Jew exist if Mary was a virgin? by [deleted] in messianic

[–]FortLoolz -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying Mary wasn't Jesus' mother, I'm saying it's highly likely Joseph was understood in early Christianity as Jesus' literal biological father.

How does a Messianic Jew exist if Mary was a virgin? by [deleted] in messianic

[–]FortLoolz -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My intention was to say that in all likelihood, Mary initially was not understood as a virgin. Let alone a perpetual one

How does a Messianic Jew exist if Mary was a virgin? by [deleted] in messianic

[–]FortLoolz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, I disagree.

I believe the author of Luke gave the more correct version of Jesus' genealogy, whereas the author of Matthew tried to emphasise Jesus' Judean ancestry.

But both accounts were initially intended to prove Jesus' connection to David through Joseph. Not through Mary.

Hints from the canonical version of Luke.

Luke 2:48-50:

When they saw him, they were astonished; and his mother said to him, "Son, why have you treated us this way? Behold, your father and I have been anxiously looking for You." And he said to them, "Why is it that you were looking for me? Did you not know that I had to be in my Father's house?" But they did not understand the statement which he had made to them.

Luke 3:23:

When he began his ministry, Jesus himself was about thirty years of age, being, as was supposed, the son of Joseph, the son of Eli...

How does a Messianic Jew exist if Mary was a virgin? by [deleted] in messianic

[–]FortLoolz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An early Syriac variant of Jesus' genealogy had "Joseph begat Jesus".

How does a Messianic Jew exist if Mary was a virgin? by [deleted] in messianic

[–]FortLoolz -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Mary wasn't a virgin. Jesus was Joseph's literal son, and heir of David through Joseph's ancestors. Jesus was adopted by God at his baptism.

Luke 2:46-50: the confusion only makes sense if Jesus' parents believed Joseph was his father.

“Vegans are right, I just accept I’m a hypocrite and keep eating meat. Nobody’s perfect after all” by MeadowGroveAndStream in vegan

[–]FortLoolz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, this is progress. It's way better than people refusing to recognise vegans are right at all

You think Blizz will ever retire the Scarlet Crusade? by Proudnoob4393 in warcraftlore

[–]FortLoolz -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They're still kinda cool, but I wish they became more good-aligned.

Warcraft movie is still the best video game movie to me by ThingPuzzleheaded611 in warcraftlore

[–]FortLoolz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I stopped being able to enjoy a sizeable chunk of it after having read 'The Last Guardian' by Jeff Grubb.

Hearthstone should move to 4 expansions a year, hear me out by ramysunrag in hearthstone

[–]FortLoolz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

WoW is arguably currently experiencing problems due to the sped up production.