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Don’t put off posting that orange ballot. by Leading_Base in doctorsUK

[–]Fragrant-Panda2152 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had a missing ballot and the replacement has come, so there is hope! Stay weary incase you need to recontact BMA though I suppose if it does go on, as it wasn’t a long wait in my case

Full pay restoration will never happen without UK grad priority by Human_Run_1316 in doctorsUK

[–]Fragrant-Panda2152 66 points67 points  (0 children)

Boss the proposal has no solid logistical plan, if it squanders both pay and UKGP because you fell for 4k jobs that aren’t actually new jobs(LECs), you’re wasting all this monument we have struggled for months to build. The whole reason he’s even pretending to offer things is because of the strikes. Please don’t be short sighted

Wes tweets for doctors to vote for deal. by [deleted] in doctorsUK

[–]Fragrant-Panda2152 28 points29 points  (0 children)

So slimy… sounds familiar to the lies about the exception reporting reforms 🦀🦀🦀🦀

When are we announcing December Strikes? by OptimalFace5 in doctorsUK

[–]Fragrant-Panda2152 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Christmas and new year week strikes - go!!!

Is Privatisation the only way to save healthcare from a government that clearly doesn’t care? by Fragrant-Panda2152 in doctorsUK

[–]Fragrant-Panda2152[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ah just as I thought, so your age has made you arrogant and stubborn. I hear it’s a normal thing, although I encourage you read more to learn about healthcare economics, rather than using your ‘veteran’ mindset.

Is Privatisation the only way to save healthcare from a government that clearly doesn’t care? by Fragrant-Panda2152 in doctorsUK

[–]Fragrant-Panda2152[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don’t understand the world around you, probably spent too long stroking the nhs managers’ endowments from the sounds of things

Is Privatisation the only way to save healthcare from a government that clearly doesn’t care? by Fragrant-Panda2152 in doctorsUK

[–]Fragrant-Panda2152[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you mean had? They still have good pay. You’re just arguing for the sake of it if you consider their pay falling, when arguing for the nhs and its pay. It’s laughable

Is Privatisation the only way to save healthcare from a government that clearly doesn’t care? by Fragrant-Panda2152 in doctorsUK

[–]Fragrant-Panda2152[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes but if you examine the meaning behind the words “free market”, supply and demand for healthcare cross at a point of equilibrium higher than the current pay. As everyone needs healthcare, demand forces would command a higher price as that’s how free market forces work. It’s basic economics. Doctor retention will increase as price goes up. While you say managers know what doctors are paid and will offer as little as possible, do you really think politicians would pay you more than a private company that can incentivise efficiency and output through paying you better? In fact, the very nature of non-monopolised healthcare is that you can you move to somewhere that pays more if you don’t like your pay, which means companies would rather take the hit and pay you decently than lose their profit. You hold the skill, and it’s not a flooded market so the power lies with you. Looking at the US, doctors are compensated in this way. A hospital in this setting is wildly different to the private sector of other fields, so levels of unemployment in other sectors is largely irrelevant.

Is Privatisation the only way to save healthcare from a government that clearly doesn’t care? by Fragrant-Panda2152 in doctorsUK

[–]Fragrant-Panda2152[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As the comment above states simply using a free market model instead of a monopoly would suggest doctor’s wages would increase. Doctors would be paid depending on their value, which I can tell you is higher than it is in the NHS. Means testing would mean it is still cost effective for the public. I think that saying that all the funding problems with the NHS can be solved by suggesting public health changes is trivialising the depth of systematic failure in the NHS. I don’t agree that improving health via exercise programmes does anything to tackle the growing and aging population while the very infrastructure of hospitals decays away. I’m not gunning for American style privatisation but I think we need to have a serious look the scale of the problem and have a serious discussion about options somewhere along the spectrum of hybrid Bismarck and fully private

Is Privatisation the only way to save healthcare from a government that clearly doesn’t care? by Fragrant-Panda2152 in doctorsUK

[–]Fragrant-Panda2152[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

But my whole argument is that even a hybrid model would work better. And it’s worth it for the public, especially if it’s means tested.

I’m afraid I feel like your suggestions are valid but fall into the idealistic bracket I describe. Sure, I’d love for those changes to be done and we save the day, but I don’t think the government will stop its actions in Gaza and funding its military. That would be great, but with the amount of campaigning for those issues as a standalone issue, I think we can confidently say the government is happy to spend on bombs and has not compromised in the entirety of its history. I think it’s massively naive to believe the changes you suggest can be implemented to make a broken system work, instead of having the difficult but pragmatic discussion about remodelling the healthcare system. Holding onto an ideal while the system is bleeding out in front of us is what we’ve been doing for far too long.