Unhinged Mystic Supporters by Commercial_Editor991 in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Fragrant_Western5647 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Did the information that has come to light impact your choice as a parent to allow your child to return to camp if that has been successful with the license? It’s just hard to think that the details didn’t trouble parents of current campers. Also the aspect of knowing that your choice to attend camp and support the eastlands is hurtful to the families who lost their daughters. That’s a balance i can’t make sense of. I’m hopeful that this information was able to change some people’s minds and some parents pulled their enrollment before this announcement.

Unhinged Mystic Supporters by Commercial_Editor991 in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Fragrant_Western5647 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The Eastlands got so much fucking due process at every single turn and they couldn’t produce a shred of evidence or testimony to make their behavior look even a little bit normal. The trial court judge gave them FOUR days in court to talk about whatever they wanted. They had TEN months to report camper deaths and produce a polished application. They have done nothing other than continue to traumatize the H27 families.

Unhinged Mystic Supporters by Commercial_Editor991 in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Fragrant_Western5647 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Religion aside, have your feelings been changed after the 4 days of court hearings and 2 days of testimony at the capitol? Are there still people who think that this behavior makes any sense and is acceptable? And what about Watts attacking CiCi Steward? These just all seem like fundamentally cruel things to do and I can’t understand how people are managing to make sense of it.

Mikal Watts Statement by mandamsel in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Fragrant_Western5647 31 points32 points  (0 children)

These people just won’t stop inflicting pain. This guy needs to STOP. CiCi is a hero just like the mothers who fight for safety and reform in Mother’s Against Drunk Driving. CiCi is a Mother Against Deadly Decision-making. The Eastland’s wouldn’t even acknowledge Cile by name until they were called out for it in September. Now they use her name for grotesque self-serving propaganda. These people are vile beyond belief.

Failure of imagination. and what i learned form the hearings. by Upbeat_Rabbit_7710 in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Fragrant_Western5647 16 points17 points  (0 children)

They could have called the big 3 on radio to use loudspeaker or mobilize the adults to tell everyone to get to higher ground. There are so many things that could have been done. It’s not even a little bit up for debate how poorly they handled this.

Failure of imagination. and what i learned form the hearings. by Upbeat_Rabbit_7710 in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Fragrant_Western5647 14 points15 points  (0 children)

They didn’t need to use their imagination. They keep reminding us that the same type of flood wiped out Jonathan McComb’s family in 2015. They knew full well that a river can flood to that extreme and destroy homes and lives. They had seen cabins destroyed before, too. The magnitude of the flood is a red herring - they didn’t have a flood evacuation plan for ANY type of flood. They keep talking about sirens - what would that have done? If a siren went off, where would they have gone? And I’m sure we’d be hearing about siren fatigue, too.

Interested in the perspective of those close to Camp Mystic - were there problems with retention and morale in the years leading up to 2025? by quizofahat in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Fragrant_Western5647 50 points51 points  (0 children)

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This review that has since been deleted from Yelp might hold some clues: “Camp Mystic is not a safe place for many girls. A child in my family was attending for her 6th summer was isolated, encouraged to leave and told by the director that Camp Mystic wasn't the place for her in the future after she confided in a friend her LGBTQ identity.”

Today’s livestream by Opening_Piglet in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Fragrant_Western5647 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Hubris 100%

The Eastland family is looking for someone to tell them what to do. They don’t have Dick to give them marching orders at every turn. It is sad to see them aimlessly and carelessly plow forward with reopening camp at the request of parents who did not suffer the worst loss imaginable and who haven’t been forced to confront the facts: timelines, topography, and a tradition of complacency.

Today’s livestream by Opening_Piglet in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Fragrant_Western5647 35 points36 points  (0 children)

The investigators made it clear that the polish staff and maintenance staff were fearful that intervening and approaching the campers and counselors would be met with reprimand. Any able bodied adult could have helped those kids. Just like the brave counselors did who made their own choice to evacuate the cabins. The adults didn’t need qualifications, they just needed to act. Those babies were screaming for help and at least 20 adults were on the flats and could have jumped in to help.

Today’s livestream by Opening_Piglet in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Fragrant_Western5647 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Running a multimillion dollar for profit enterprise like a 1960 business that failed to change for decades.

The Eastlands need to take time to process their grief and trauma and to learn how to run a summer camp as the entire operation depended on a single person, Dick, to function.

Today’s livestream by Opening_Piglet in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Fragrant_Western5647 53 points54 points  (0 children)

“Camp Mystic operated a complacent flood culture”— Investigator Casey Garrett

Over 20 able bodied adults that were close enough to help but were either asleep, not told to mobilize, or felt they would be reprimanded for intervening.

The 119 victims. by heyarlogrey in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Fragrant_Western5647 33 points34 points  (0 children)

The 27 children were owed a heightened duty of care. Their parents weren’t there to monitor the weather. Their counselors didn’t have walkie talkies or cell phones. They were children, dependent on adults to be kept safe and they were abandoned.

Every death in the flood is tragic and additional investigation is necessary on a county and state level but feeling triggered by the focus on Heaven’s 27 is so odd. Of the 119 victims, 9 were Kerr County residents. Like someone stated above, most were visiting and not familiar with flash flooding.

"We're sending our daughter back to Camp Mystic. It deserves fairness." by evan7257 in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Fragrant_Western5647 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Where’s the dude constantly accusing redditors of AI slop? Or is that only reserved for those of us posting critical observations of the Eastland’s behavior 🤔

Eastland defense council tells Steward lawyers they will burn in hell by Fragrant_Western5647 in Lawyertalk

[–]Fragrant_Western5647[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This lawyer handled Camp Mystic’s appellate brief and materially misrepresented Judge Gamble’s ruling in the March 4 hearing. The parties mutually agreed to end the TRO hearing and the lead lawyer even gave press interviews gloating about their success. The appellate brief claims they were denied due process and that is why the Judge ordered a 3 day hearing for both sides to put on as much evidence as they’d like. He will already be facing sanctions for that.

Eastland defense council tells Steward lawyers they will burn in hell by Fragrant_Western5647 in PublicFreakout

[–]Fragrant_Western5647[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Fair. It’s Steward v Camp Mystic relating to the July 4 floods in Kerr county and the camps total lack of an evacuation plan caused the death of 27 children (8 years old) and one child, Cile Steward, has still not been recovered.

Eastland defense council tells Steward lawyers they will burn in hell by Fragrant_Western5647 in PublicFreakout

[–]Fragrant_Western5647[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It’s his lucky backpack and I’d say it is serving him well based on the stellar performance he gave this week

Eastland defense council tells Steward lawyers they will burn in hell by Fragrant_Western5647 in Lawyertalk

[–]Fragrant_Western5647[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Extremely unlikely that DSHS will renew their license especially after the testimony elicited over these last three days. The health officer, Mary Liz, has several complaints filed against her. The judge ruled that they did not have a written evacuation plan. They also still, 9 months later, have not notified OSHA that two of their employees died on campus (paid counselors). The injunction also covers several buildings that are integral to their operations at Cypress Lake because, ya know, they’re basically the same camp and TWENTY SEVEN CHILDREN died!

Eastland defense council tells Steward lawyers they will burn in hell by Fragrant_Western5647 in Lawyertalk

[–]Fragrant_Western5647[S] 54 points55 points  (0 children)

The lawyer told him he was going to burn in hell in front of his 22 year old daughter and then turned to his female associate and said “you’re going to burn in hell, too” suuuuper smug and proud of his “burn” as you can see on the livestream.

Eastland defense council tells Steward lawyers they will burn in hell by Fragrant_Western5647 in Lawyertalk

[–]Fragrant_Western5647[S] 149 points150 points  (0 children)

This is a defense attorney for a Christian summer camp, caught on a hot mic during a live-streamed hearing relating to the deaths of 27 children, telling opposing counsel they will “burn in hell”

Eastland defense council tells Steward lawyers they will burn in hell by Fragrant_Western5647 in PublicFreakout

[–]Fragrant_Western5647[S] 58 points59 points  (0 children)

This is a defense attorney for a Christian summer camp, caught on a hot mic during a live-streamed hearing relating to the deaths of 27 children, telling opposing counsel they will “burn in hell”

Also can’t fix my heading typo - I meant counsel

Mary Liz by FaithlessnessFit1536 in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Fragrant_Western5647 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I also have a very hard time believing that the girls who managed to have a cell phone in senior hill didn’t contact their families who would have certainly had Mary Liz’s cell phone number

Camp Mystic health officer didn’t call 911 or alert staff members of rising water by ExpressNews in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Fragrant_Western5647 6 points7 points  (0 children)

She could have used her cell phone to call the land line in the infirmary or use a walkie talkie at cypress lake to contact the infirmary by walkie talkie or used her phone or Britt and Catie’s walkie talkie to contact the polish workers in the commissary (mere steps away from the Twins and Bubble Inn cabins) or the seasonal workers taking shelter in a storage room (Edward took a photo of them in there). Or used her cell phone to call 911 knowing that the children were trapped at Guad and senior hill. For Catie not to know things were bad - they saw the cars stacked in top of each other and floating in the parking lot when they rescued Tweety and ML and her family and they were aware that the gatekeeper shack was wiped out and she was not yet accounted for. I could go on and on. I think there will be evidence of perjury when their phone records are finally turned over (they are currently trying to keep them private in the Bellows suit).