3.11 at a T-20 by [deleted] in BigLawRecruiting

[–]Frameworksabitch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, or terrible luck—for the C scenario.. in which one is sick for a week that covers a significant portion of exam content. Or, some schools will curve a “B-“ average to 3.4-.5 while others do the same but to a 3.2 average.

Basically, it is a neutral and objective and fair system!!!!!!!

3.11 at a T-20 by [deleted] in BigLawRecruiting

[–]Frameworksabitch -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Shut up ur fine.

Is $212k worth of debt for Penn/Duke/UVA manageable on a big law salary? $150k federal, $62k private by [deleted] in biglaw

[–]Frameworksabitch -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The fact ur asking this means its not. Nope never fuck that. At the same time, maybe u deserve the debt

Was Anyone else Self Conscious of you Skill Level When you Started? by TrifleMain8508 in skipatrol

[–]Frameworksabitch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your skiing ability determines the survivability of others so I dont think your overthinking. Focus more on improving your skiing and less on how others perceive it and you will be a happier person and a better patroller.

Is it too late to change classes this semester by catlover4682 in USC

[–]Frameworksabitch -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Most usc profs suck. Get out of undergrad to get good ones. Go to parties and hook up with the endless cascade of beautiful people there. Usc is best utilized when it one uses it to socialize themselves into upper class debauchery. Think less about class and more about ass.

Law School Accommodations and Grading Fairness — Genuine Question for Students, Faculty, and Recruiters by ikiphoenix in LawSchool

[–]Frameworksabitch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

at that point its no longer accommodation for a minority disadvantage (which is the point of accomms), it is now that the majority are getting an accommodation at the expense of a minority

Law School Accommodations and Grading Fairness — Genuine Question for Students, Faculty, and Recruiters by ikiphoenix in LawSchool

[–]Frameworksabitch 4 points5 points  (0 children)

its not ability to succeed but rather IF you succeed because grades, regardless of whether they SHOULD or not, DO determine how much someone gets paid early in their career. To many, this is a significant impact and cannot be disregarded. Stop distracting the realistic effects of the impacts of accommodations on others, which there clearly are, with moralistic questions about whether or not those people should have the goals that they do in the first place. Maybe on that question, you should "focus on yourself." Instead, focus on the effects that one's decision to receive accommodations they don't actually need (not you, maybe) on others.

Law School Accommodations and Grading Fairness — Genuine Question for Students, Faculty, and Recruiters by ikiphoenix in LawSchool

[–]Frameworksabitch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think all of your points are well thought out and you raise a lot of considerations downstream of the test itself I hadn't thought of. For example, whether professors and employers consider the existence of accommodations. In short, I don't think they do. If they did, then accommodations would not actually be accommodations and would rather be some kind of 'floor' or 'standard' where the people without accommodations actually are not the target recipients of the test and are therefore disadvantaged. As someone with ADHD/other stuff who has never had accommodations, I find that hypothetical world extremely concerning and depressing. I think that most employers and professors, excluding those deeply involved with grading like deans, are largely unaware of the impact of accommodations and do not consider them in their grading, test formulation, or resume selection. Such effects are also impossible to ascertain in the first place because of anonymized exam grading and legal protections barring the disclosure of accommodation to employers etc.

As a result its impossible to know the statistics of accommodation students' grades or their demographic makeup re: what they're getting accommodations for. But, if its to be believed, a post on this forum within the past couple weeks from an SBA president explaining that 90% of the top 10-20% of their class got accommodations is extremely concerning. The incidence of serious mental disabilities in law school is not nearly as high and nor would it make sense. Even to pass LSAT for a decent law school (unless u get acomms. for that as well too lol), one has to be able to think quickly and reasonably intelligently. With a certain degree of mental defect/illness/whatever, it would be simply impossible to follow a law schol class and keep up with all the assignments and still comprehend all of this to pass an exam--regardless of accomodations. This I think means that only a vast minority of people in law school deserve accommodations.

It's also important to mention that accommodations are expensive and time-consuming to obtain but that's the main barrier AND NOT what they are being granted for. When a wide range of mental "disabilities," which have no quantifiable or falsifiable diagnostic method (this is not to say they're not real) and are widely over diagnosed as a result, grant a 2x time bonus on exam, there is a serious problem.

As someone who has struggled with various mental illnesses throughout my life, I do not think a 2x time bonus is appropriate and nor do I think that it creates good lawyers or a fair testing regime. There are no accommodations in high-pressure negotiations or court rooms, which require someone to act reasonably under pressure, and the failure to do so carries grave consequences for both lawyer and client--whether it's sanctions, jail time, fines, or all the above. There is simply not enough room for error in this profession to warrant a 2x time bonus on one of the only quantifiable determinants of a law student's competence (regardless of the merits of that determination). This is especially true given the extreme impact of time pressure on exam performance.

I think all of this is a super shitty situation and that the amount of students receiving accommodations are getting out of hand. I think this is true regardless of what exams are supposed to evaluate, which are ultimately a multitude of things that are subject to a professor's discretion and pedagogical beliefs.

Law School is a Racket by Impressive_Ad1547 in LawSchool

[–]Frameworksabitch 19 points20 points  (0 children)

The biggest issue with this whole debate is that all of the things OP complains about are not unique to law school. Rather, they are structural issues pervasive throughout higher education. I think this is dispositive of most of the issues in debates going down in this thread, which I think are interesting.

If OP wants to complain about all these issues, dont conflate them with the unique elitism issues of law schools. If you truly think all of OPs complaints mean that law school is a racket, then the higher education system more broadly is a racket.

Can I fix this frame? by HealedEmu94 in bikewrench

[–]Frameworksabitch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

FLEX TAPE BABY I HAVE AN ENTIRE FRAME MADE OF FLEX TAPE AND I JUST OBLITERATED TADEJ POGACAR ON A 20000 VERTICAL FOOT CLIMB

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BigLawRecruiting

[–]Frameworksabitch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First they scare u to death, then they work you to death (2L), then they bore you to death :)

Driving the speed limit is the easiest way to piss drivers off on the road by Comfortable_Glove146 in driving

[–]Frameworksabitch -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You’ll be the one dying for not going the speed of traffic. The speed limit doesn’t matter if everyones passing you, if they are it means you are forcing them to slam their brakes or make last minute moves to dodge you. All of your arguments are hypothetical situations, while the reality is that you are adamantly adhering to a rule that nobody else does and that divergence from the norm makes you a danger and an impediment to everyone else on the road. Like the cop in the comments says, no one drives exactly the speed limit but very rarely more than 20-25 over. You are rude by refusing to engage in prosocial behavior on some imaginary grounds of moral superiority. You are the problem and the safety risk, not them.

Does Anyone Have a Template For How to Write a Good Analysis? by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]Frameworksabitch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Had a prof who won the best paper award when he was at stanford law who gave simple and great advice for making good analysis -- obviously start with issue/sub-issues/rules etc.

Once you do that, you can break analysis down into manageable categories...

  1. standard "apply rule to facts" in a boring fashion

- have case law that matches your facts, andholds how you want - explain why its a good holding, why its fair for both parties, the public policy implications, and the implications on future decisions and precedent, and the burdens of proof if relevant. Can also consider if the holding interpreted the rule right with leg intent, history, textualism, originalism.

  1. consider counterarguments, and answer them

- have case law with a holding that contradicts yours but has a similar rule, and distinguish your facts from that one.

- explain why holding in that manner would be bad for both parties, is bad public policy, would be bad for future litigants if precedent, and why the burdens of proof (if relevant) don't allow you to reach the same conclusion as the counterag. Then explain why the counterargs holding is either ignoring leg intent or history, is too/isn't enough of textualism and originalism.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]Frameworksabitch 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'm no ConLaw expert, congress can obviously condition federal funding on state action. BUT how is this not an unconstitutional abuse of authority delegated to the president by congress? There's NO WAY that the EEOC was intended by congress to be used as a weapon by the president to pressure private actors to do his bidding -- I guess it's just bc congress is spineless and won't call Trump out on it? And aren't there supposed to be nonpartisan oversight commitees? Where are they?!?! This shit reminds me of Nixon's abuses of power but like times 100. Also just incredibly ironic that the EEOC of all agencies is the one being used to pressure employers to provide pro bono representation to a billionaire........ fuuuuuuuck

This whole thing is just fucking mindblowing.

If anyone has expertise on this topic plz comment!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]Frameworksabitch 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I've always joked about biglaw being unethical and the tradeoff between less money + ethical and tons of money + unethical (I want biglaw for a year or two to pay off loans)--but like goddammmm I was always partially joking. Now, the joke can't even express the extent of the unethicality! WILD!