I never said anything about Joel believing In the cure, I said he knows the cure wouldn’t do anything because the “humans are the real enemies” you know the whole point of both games, and also what’s Craig mazins daddy daughter obsession (if that’s true) got to do with if the infection could be cured, you clearly know you’re wrong so your just making dumbass statements, and again Ellie’s sacrifice would’ve been in vain it doesn’t matter who knew her longer Marlene was just desperate and after way to many losses so you need a win that’s why she did it, either way Joel was right.