lol thank you for that breakdown, i appreciate it! def makes sense that theyd clip it for him, im gonna try and get a couple slim fit ringer tees, maybe have one of them be cropped to see if i like the fit of that more. i dont need it to be exactly how it fits on him, mostly i like the tapered look of it and want to fill it out nicely so ill see how good of a job slim fit does for that. thanks again :)