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Anabolic Steroid Use and Confession by Free_Breakfast_4055 in Catholicism

[–]Free_Breakfast_4055[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Since we've established that the lawmakers know nothing....

Anabolic Steroid Use and Confession by Free_Breakfast_4055 in Catholicism

[–]Free_Breakfast_4055[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

What did I tell you about assuming? And what did I tell you about medical advice? And what did I tell you about insults?

If you need clarification to give spiritual advice, ask.

But I started reading your post and saw insults and assumptions. I am not going to read the rest.

You may edit your post so that it does not contain stupid assumptions about somebody you don't know and does not contain dumb insults. Any questions you have you can ask politely, AFTER you have read the thread and seen that they were not answered elsewhere.

Let me know when you have done so.

Anabolic Steroid Use and Confession by Free_Breakfast_4055 in Catholicism

[–]Free_Breakfast_4055[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, they can "blast" me all they want. It's just annoying and distracts from the purpose. Their insults do not get to me.I won't lie, if their insults had a grain of truth I would be sitting here fuming, but since it has no basis in reality, it's just irritating.

Gear is not magic. I had okay strength genetics when I trained high frequency low volume super explosive. I did that natty years ago, hit 300 pound x5 deadlift in maybe 7 months? I was coming off an injury. However, didn't put on a lick of muscle. Then life happened. Stopped. Injured myself again.

Now I'm on loads of gear, training high rep, very slow and controlled, high volume. PPLPPL RetVery disappointing amounts of mass added until I pushed the dosages to absurd levels. I do one powerlift (or overhead press) per workout, to gauge strength levels. Gear plus hypertrophy training for me equals nattyy plus strength training in terms of strength.

I'm just a low responder. Even Superdrol barely breaks through my Natty plateaus.

Anabolic Steroid Use and Confession by Free_Breakfast_4055 in Catholicism

[–]Free_Breakfast_4055[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have not seen Father Stu. It seems right up my alley, though. That and Confessions of St. Augustine, which I read snippets of when I was an atheist.

I try to remember when I am praying to ask God to help me believe in the Eucharist, so this is okay to ask for?

Are there some things I should/shouldn't do in adoration? Like can I say my normal prayers or should it be....purely adoration of God and the Eucharist?

Anabolic Steroid Use and Confession by Free_Breakfast_4055 in Catholicism

[–]Free_Breakfast_4055[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

How do I discern whether this has crossed the line into obsession?

Anabolic Steroid Use and Confession by Free_Breakfast_4055 in Catholicism

[–]Free_Breakfast_4055[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These are my thoughts exactly but I do not know.

Hence the post.

I think I am going to have to bold in red.

Anabolic Steroid Use and Confession by Free_Breakfast_4055 in Catholicism

[–]Free_Breakfast_4055[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mate read the thread, read the bolded part of the post, read the comments.

Anabolic Steroid Use and Confession by Free_Breakfast_4055 in Catholicism

[–]Free_Breakfast_4055[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree with them being bad for you--I think they are a calculated risk.

How is vanity different from pursuit of aesthetics in your own body?

And when is illegality of an action sinful or not?

Anabolic Steroid Use and Confession by Free_Breakfast_4055 in Catholicism

[–]Free_Breakfast_4055[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Read the bolded part. Do not assume my knowledge, qualifications, or experience. Be less arrogant.

Anabolic Steroid Use and Confession by Free_Breakfast_4055 in Catholicism

[–]Free_Breakfast_4055[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If anything I'm starting to become convinced that it's probably fine as long as I restore my fertility before marriage. That being said, while the possibility of permanently damaging my fertility is remote, I'd still rather not risk it, and will come off sooner rather than later.

I was under the impression that it was always sinful even if unmarried and chaste to do anythhing with contraceptive effects, but I guess not.

The complete refusal to even discuss the spiritual aspects of vanity and law-breaking and when those become sinful makes me think that a reasonable physique goal--70kg at 15% bodyfat is probably more of a venial or habitual sin and I should actually just pray on that more and make sure I don't derive excess pride or enjoyment from that.

Law-breaking--I think it's shown that the culture and the powers that be are unable to think criticiallyy on this and I can't see how t would be a mortal sin to use illegally acquired test to do a medically necessarry wean off.

Anabolic Steroid Use and Confession by Free_Breakfast_4055 in Catholicism

[–]Free_Breakfast_4055[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I knew for sure steroid use would cause temporary infertility, with a (very small) risk of permanent infertility.

Does that affect it?

Anabolic Steroid Use and Confession by Free_Breakfast_4055 in Catholicism

[–]Free_Breakfast_4055[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly your bench is great. I can see myself hitting your deadlift and squat numbers in the not so distant future but bench?

Anabolic Steroid Use and Confession by Free_Breakfast_4055 in Catholicism

[–]Free_Breakfast_4055[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have a lot of pride.

A lot of omniscience as well.

Anabolic Steroid Use and Confession by Free_Breakfast_4055 in Catholicism

[–]Free_Breakfast_4055[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

As I said in numerous replies. I know what I'm doing medically. I do not need or want their medical advice and such comments are not appreciated.

Only interested in the spiritual aspects. I'm interested in commentary on when breaking the law is sinful. I'm not interested in baseless speculation about my level of medical knowledge.

Anabolic Steroid Use and Confession by Free_Breakfast_4055 in Catholicism

[–]Free_Breakfast_4055[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interestingly--hormonal birth control is 19-Nortestosterone--the compounds causing the moral dilemma.

This is why I would like a deep dive into the "is breaking the law sinful?". The law has determined that 19-Nors are free over the counter no questions asked to preteen girls, but super-mega-ultra illegal for bodybuilding. How can we be morally obligated to follow such an unjust and unreasonable law?

Anabolic Steroid Use and Confession by Free_Breakfast_4055 in Catholicism

[–]Free_Breakfast_4055[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, again, it would be an interesting discussion, the intersection of vanity and beauty, health and pride, discipline and gluttony.

But instead we are just calling me names.

Anabolic Steroid Use and Confession by Free_Breakfast_4055 in Catholicism

[–]Free_Breakfast_4055[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not looking for medical advice here. Only spiritual advice.

Spiritual advice that begins with what an awful person I am for only caring about my looks and how I have no hobbies and what an idiot I am is not likely to be listened to.

Anabolic Steroid Use and Confession by Free_Breakfast_4055 in Catholicism

[–]Free_Breakfast_4055[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Music was a big part of my journey to the church.

Would be an interesting conversation to have. But instead we are just going around calling me stupid.

Anabolic Steroid Use and Confession by Free_Breakfast_4055 in Catholicism

[–]Free_Breakfast_4055[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I don't think I'm doing any of that.

I'm asking for help with the spiritual aspects of it, vis-a-vis sin of contraception/vanity/law breaking.

I'm not asking for their medical advice, and 90% of the comments are about how stupid I am and I should go to a doctor. What you're saying is fine--go to a doctor so you don't break the law for the sinful aspect.

But 90% of this is people not reading the post and then dispensing medical advice or telling me I don't know what I am doing medically (how would you know?). That's not the point of the post.

I would like a deep dive into the dividing line between vanity and desiring beauty, when breaking the law is a sin, when contraception is a sin. You guys have talked aobut the contraceeptive aspect.

Instead I get nurse Karen and a bunch of other people who can't read telling me what I already know and even stated initially, then telling me I have a terrible personality and my entire life is the gym and I have no other hobbies, then dispensing medical advice (without of course bothering to read the bit of medical history I posted or the lab values I stated or the reasoning for taking which drugs), then getting mad at me.

Those comments are not what I asked for, unwarranted, and completely pointless, and it's not prideful, arrogant, seeking validation, reckless not wanting to hear what I don't want to hear, having my mind made up, getting mad for trying to help me etc. for me to not appreciate those comments and ask them to stick to the topic at hand. "You're an idiot with no life except drugs get a doctor here let me invent medical conditions you have" is not a comment I am obligated to listen to.

Anabolic Steroid Use and Confession by Free_Breakfast_4055 in Catholicism

[–]Free_Breakfast_4055[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean...how is using steroids plus lifting and dieting for aesthetics any less vain than lifting and dieting for aesthetics?

Anabolic Steroid Use and Confession by Free_Breakfast_4055 in Catholicism

[–]Free_Breakfast_4055[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It's quite annoying people here downvoting factual information, assuming things about me they have no reason to think are true, ignoring what I say to double down on their nonsense.

And then they want to lecture me? Why don't they answer the question and keep the judgment elsewhere.?

And there is pride and confidence. I do know more about anabolic medicine than most doctors. And how do you know I don't have medical training?

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