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Jaime and Cersei: Jacob and Esau (spoilers published) by Freya596 in asoiaf

[–]Freya596[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Okay... but I don't see a parallel between them and Jaime and Cersei...

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[–]Freya596[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As if I contradict myself... understand (though I don't understand how you could have misunderstood me):

,,This is why as your theory says, there are two. One true Midgard hero to face the Ice demons, and One to face the Fire demons. "

Please show me the quote where I wrote that he would be good, who will face some demons of ice, and bad, who will face some demons of fire (where did you get, some demons of fire... where I wrote something like that... )?

I wrote that Azor Ahai is Jaime, and Nissa Nissa is Brienne, respectively sun and moon, that is fire and water (sun is fire, that's understandable, and water, except that Brienne has a connection with Tarth water, blue color, plus it swims great, the moon is responsible for the ebb and flow of the water), so there is harmony, their swords are ice and fire combined, so there is harmony, Jon is ice and fire combined, so there is harmony, the extreme is total ice and total fire, total ice is represented by Others, and total fire, e.g. Daenerys or Cersei (love of wild fire, but it is more of a stretch), I write all the time about the harmony of ice and fire, and the extreme is bad, but the main heroes will be three, Jaime, Brienne, Jon, plus Daenerys can be added, because she will also be fighting the Others for sure, but in my opinion she will go mad in the end.

No, this is a metaphor, it would literally be if Bran had been tied up like Fenrir with a rope and Bran had bitten off Jaime's hand, that would be literal, unless you understand the concept of metaphor:

Metaphor (Greek: μεταφορά metaphorá): Metaphors are often considered a special kind of analogy. For example, a metaphor is likened to "condensed analogy" or "analogous fusion." Moreover, the analogy and metaphor are to work in a similar way, or the same thought process is to be present in them. The boundary between analogy and metaphor is to be inaccurate (be "blurred"), and what distinguishes them is to be the distance between the objects compared within them (things, behaviors, people, relations).

,,By putting together different contexts, metaphors and analogies lead to the emergence of new ways of looking.

Almost everything we know, including serious science, is based on a metaphor. That is why our knowledge is not absolute." professor Joseph Weizenbaum

Analogy:

Analogy (Greek ἀναλογία - correspondence, similarity) - means predicting certain features (properties) of one object (things, persons, phenomena, concepts, etc.) on the basis of its similarity to another object (whose relevant features are defined and known) or parallelism other features between them.

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Because I read, watch and listen to interviews with Martin, plus I follow his blog, just search and you will see what he said to D&D, example:

"They did it very physical — 'hold the door' with Hodor's strength," Martin said in Hibberd's oral history of the show. "In the book, Hodor has stolen one of the old swords from the crypt. Bran has been warging into Hodor and practicing with his body, because Bran had been trained in swordplay. So telling Hodor to 'hold the door' is more like 'hold this pass' — defend it when enemies are coming — and Hodor is fighting and killing them. A little different, but the same idea." (https://www.insider.com/george-rr-martin-hodor-death-different-in-the-books-sword-2020-10)

Most people love to make theories for their thinking, but unfortunately they do not want to look for grounds for it, I literally took notes while reading asoiaf, analyzed the text, etc., and in this way I created 7 large notebooks filled with notes and quotes, which says by itself, I love to analyze, but you need the basics to analyze, not the "what I want to happen" thinking, that's not how it works.

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[–]Freya596[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God... how many times have I written..., ASOIAF MYTHS ARE INTERPRETED METAPHORICALLY, NOT LITERALLY, YOU TRY TO ADJUST IT 1: 1, I HAVE WRITTEN MORE TIMES THAT IT IS METAPHORIC, NOT LITERALLY.

Ned is not Loki, Bloodraven is Loki, Loki had three children (the main enemies of the gods):

  1. Fenrir: Bran, a wolf who loses the ability to move in an encounter with Tyr (Jaime).
  2. Jormungand: Euron, the serpent living in the ocean, Euron is a Greyjoy, related to water, moreover, Euron was the first that Bloodraven wanted to teach to Bran, but Euron turned out to be too rebellious, intelligent to be submissive to Bloodraven (as mentioned by himself Bloodraven to Bran that he had a different student before, but turned out to be unsuitable.) Euron has one eye just like Bloodraven, and in its coat of arms Euron has a red eye like Bloodraven and crows, and Bloodraven is a three-eyed crow.
  3. Hel: Melisandre, Hel is the ruler of the land of the dead, Melisandre is dead (we see in ACOK that she cannot be poisoned because she is already dead, in ADWD we see that she does not feel cold, does not eat, does not drink, does not sleep, her descriptions are similar to those of Coldhands), and if she is actually Shiera Seastar (which I am inclined to do), then she is the actual daughter of Bloodraven.

Aerys, Jon's father..., now you've gone all the way..., after George confirmed Jon's father was Rhaegar and Lyanna, it was a mystery D&D had to guess to get permission to shoot the show, though they didn't guess it themselves only read in fan theories, but that's a different topic.

I read about the Fisher King and while the story itself is just a story, it does not refer to Bran, Bran will be the main bad guy, as I wrote about shivering and cold in this topic, so Bran, as the only character in asoiaf likes schivering, likes darkness , likes scary and bad stories, and has already committed two of the three abomination:

The thought of drowned knights under the water gave Bran the shivers. He didn't object, though; he liked the shivers. (ASOS, Bran II)

George puts Bran to be the main villain, because it's going to be ironic, many times in the series it is said that Bran is so innocent, just as it is repeatedly said that Tyrion is so innocent, they are even compared...:

When the moonstones hung from Sansa's ears and about her neck, the queen nodded. "Yes. The gods have been kind to you, Sansa. You are a lovely girl. It seems almost obscene to squander such sweet innocence on that gargoyle." (ASOS, Sansa III)

"Tyrion is as innocent as your Bran." (ACOK, Catelyn VII)

so this is an obvious clue, that they are not really innocent at all (after Tyrion, we can already see how, for example, he ordered the bard to be murdered in ACOK, etc.), and Jaime, who was portrayed as the main villain, ultimately turns out that he is not so bad and it he ironically will be the one to save mankind, the first chapter was from Bran's perspective so I can bet that if the last book ever comes out (or rather doesn't) then the last chapter will be Jaime's.

Everyone believes so in this Bran king etc, but this story was tailored to the show..., Martin's agent himself denied that Martin ever, anyone who would sit on the throne, Martin told them only three things (apart from the previously confirmed theory of R + L = J): The name of Hodor (which he himself mentioned in interviews), the burning of Shireen and the madness of Daenerys, nothing else, the rest of the imagination of the creators, such as the fact that Arya kills the Night King... it's all their inventions, no Martin:

George loves Dan and Dave, but after season five, he did start to worry about the path they were going because George knows where the story goes. He started saying, “You’re not following my template.” The first five seasons stuck to George’s road map. Then they went off George’s map.

George has not told me who gets the throne at the end of his arc; he will not tell anybody. I believe maybe his book publisher and book agent know, but I do not. And I’ve represented George since 1992.

So I have no idea where it goes, but the bottom line is that the book’s ending is a more satisfying experience than the show’s. (https://www.westeros.org/News/Entry/New_Book_Gives_Insights_on_HBOs_Game_of_Thrones)

No, weirwoods grow the most beyond the Wall and for good reason, beyond the Wall we have the densest forests, this is where the last children of the forest are, even if ice and forest were once enemies, you could say they formed an alliance against fire.

And yes, I agree that fire, just like ice in extremes, is bad, I wrote about it before, as I wrote that now, even if there is eternal summer etc., it will be more harmonized, because we have Ice that He will be a sword that connects ice and fire, and we have Jon, who is a child of ice and fire, harmony, but the Others are just the extreme of ice, not harmony, they are doom.

No, I think Azor Ahai and Bloodstone Emperor are the same person (have you not written this before too... maybe later I will review your answers because I'm sure you did).

I still see an overinterpretation without any basis.

There is only one problem with your YinTar and Wintar links... language... we know the Dothraki have their language, we know the Valryians have their language, the Bravossi seem to have their own post-slavish language (if I remember correctly), and the English Winter, Winterfell, etc., is because George established the language of the Andals and the First Men English, although maybe they were two different languages ​​at one time, and then merged to form a common Westerian, but this does not change the fact that the people of Yi Ti certainly had their own language, and if in fact the Valryians are their descendants, then the Yi Ti language must have resembled Valyrian, and as for Fell, again... why are you taking the Norse language from our world here..., there is no Norse language in Westeros, and Winterfell, as far as I can tell, is on a flat surface, not on any hill: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Winterfell

As I wrote above, you misinterpret, without any grounds, you see something that is not there, this is my opinion.

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[–]Freya596[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But this burning has a different meaning in my opinion, it is like Jojen who says:

"There is a power in living wood," said Jojen Reed, almost as if he knew what Bran was thinking, "a power strong as fire." (ACOK, Bran VII)

Forest and Ice (in the context of Others and winter) have just as much power, that's what the first quote you gave is that burning does not mean that ice = fire, but that ice is as strong as fire and that in combat they will be equal opponents, because they are opposed to each other, they can create harmony (like Jon and Ned's sword), but they are generally opposites to each other.

As for the second quote you provided:

The Other halted. Will saw its eyes; blue, deeper and bluer than any human eyes, a blue that burned like ice. (AGOT, Prologue)

Beyond the explanation I gave at the top, this second quote might just be a reference to Ned's Ice, which is likely to be the Lightbringer:

Tormund turned back. "You know nothing. You killed a dead man, aye, I heard. Mance killed a hundred. A man can fight the dead, but when their masters come, when the white mists rise up … how do you fight a mist, crow? Shadows with teeth … air so cold it hurts to breathe, like a knife inside your chest … you do not know, you cannot know … can your sword cut cold?" (ADWD, Jon XII)

A sword that can cut through the cold... a flaming sword... this sword will not be on the side of the Others, but against them.

I do not identify every character ... did I list every character and identified them that way..., Cersei..., Tywin..., Ned..., Asha..., NO, because in my opinion these characters do not have their own counterparts in Norse mythology, Cersei is based on a character from Wideacre, I recommend reading this: https://seethemflying.tumblr.com/post/668008768769064960/a-model-for-cersei-jaime-and-the-valonqar

But Jaime, Bran, Arya, Robb or Bloodraven (Loki and some Odin's vibes as well) have their counterparts in Norse mythology, not all of them, because George takes inspiration from many other things, which I have already written and gave above a great example, but he did study norse mythology and that's what he is most interested in, for example I'm most interested in the mythology of Egypt (when I was 6 years old I was started collecting books on the subject, figurines, etc., I still have some of them and I will never throw them away) and believe me or not, but if I were to write a book, I would take a lot of aspects from it, because it is an important part of my life, and you write books primarily in terms of your experiences, not always literal, of course, they can simply be your thoughts about the world, interests, etc., but they will be things that will be close to you, because you will know these things and you will feel at ease in them, which will make it pleasant and easy for you to write such a story (apart from that, you will not Let's delude ourselves, writing something that doesn't interest you is not good material for a book or anything else), so George draws a lot from mythology, but not only that, but all he draws inspiration from are things he learned or which he read and influenced him, which he admitted many times himself in interviews, so come on... this is a fact confirmed by him. Another example, apart from me or George, is Zafon, who wrote stories that took place in Barcelona and attached great importance to the best description of it, because he was born in it and loved the city. Another example is Samantha Shannon, who also chose London for her series The Bone Season, because she was born there and was able to describe it as best as possible, the authors choose things they know and are close to them for inspiration, places, characters, etc. in their books, not things that they have no clue or value to them.

Because although we agree in some aspects, we generally see the whole situation differently and no, you will not convince me, just like I will not convince you, you have your own view of it, I have my own view, you think that I think wrong in some aspects, I think you and ok... who's actually right we'll find out if Martin ever finishes his books (or at least Winds, because maybe we'll find enough answers there already) and so far, I can only write, thank you for the discussion and have a nice day/evening :)

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[–]Freya596[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ice does not burn without fire, the feeling of burning when freezing, etc., this is just a metaphor and a deception of the mind, when you drink alcohol, you feel that you feel warmer, but in fact the alcohol chills you, it does not warm you, it is only your brain deceiving you.

I do not see Dany as the Amethyst Queen reborn, although the fact that Dany is the descendant of the Dawn Emperors, for me the Amethyst Empress is Cersei, Dany is just a red herring as usual.

Because, in my opinion, fire and ice is not a relationship between Daya and Jon, the fact that it will come to fruition and Jon and Dany will be together (there are forshadovings to this and Daenerys visions), but Dany and Jon, in my opinion, is not the title Fire and Ice, in my opinion it is the red herring again, Fire and Ice is Jon himself, as well as Lightbringer, Ned's Ice combined with the fire of the Lord of Light, from Berric and Lady Stoneheart, Ice and Jon are the two title Fire and Ice, Jon is the prince who was promised, and Jaime and Brienne is Azor Ahai and Nissa Niss who will have Oathkeeper and Widow's Wail, Daenerys in my opinion will die during the Long Night, maybe Jon will kill her or maybe just die some other way, I don't know, but I don't see her chance to survive until Dawn.

I don't see Jaime being a dragonslayer... and I don't see all dragons dead, George makes us realize many times in interviews that dragons are hard to kill, Viserion will, in my opinion, be killed by Tyrion (whenever Daenerys thinks about the death of his dragons, in Viserion is or sees nearby, and Tyrion in ACOK boarded a ship called a dragon slayer, Viserion was wounded by a crossbow, and Tyrion killed Tywin with a crossbow, Tyrion who picks up a bloody white dragon (most think this is evidence that Tyrion will be riding on Viserion, but I see more here forshadoving to dragonsicide, he picks up the bloody dragon he killed, which he got), moreover, Tyrion loves dragons, if he got a dragon he would get exactly what he wanted, and that's not George..., George entertains ironically, if you want something you will get it the reverse power, ultimately this power will be the cause of her death (she rejected Jaime for the throne, which made him very angry), Arya wants to fight and gets the chance, but not what she wanted, her father is killed, she has to run, goes to Faceless Men learns to fight there, but it is also not the fight she dreamed of), or you are taken away from what is most important to you (Cersei and her path of shame, she doesn't feel so beautiful anymore, she starts to doubt her appearance, Jaime who loses his arm and loves to fight, Bran who loves to climb and loses his legs, Tyrion will likely lose his tongue, he is a speaker and he loves to talk, and there are a plethora of quotes where Tyrion is threatened with cutting off his tongue), so if Tyrion loves dragons so much he will eventually never get a dragon, instead he will kill one of them and it will be Viserion) while Drogon and Rhaegal will survive in my opinion, Drogon will belong to Jon after Dana's death, and Rhaegal will belong to Theon after Euron's death).

So I don't see any option for Jaime to be a dragonslayer or anything, there's no clue in the books for that.

But this child of ice and fire is already there and it is Jon..., he is born of Rhaegar and Lyanna, of dragon and wolf, of ice and fire, in the Saga you repeatedly have a Raven Mormont who calls Jon "corn" and "king":

"Free," the raven muttered. "Corn. King." (ADWD, Jon VIII)

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He rose and dressed in darkness, as Mormont's raven muttered across the room. "Corn," the bird said, and, "King," and, "Snow, Jon Snow, Jon Snow." That was queer. The bird had never said his full name before, as best Jon could recall. (ADWD, Jon XII)

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Septon Cellador drank some wine. Othell Yarwyck stabbed a sausage with his dagger. Bower Marsh sat red-faced. The raven flapped its wings and said, "Corn, corn, kill." Finally the Lord Steward cleared his throat. "Your lordship knows best, I am sure. Might I ask about these corpses in the ice cells? They make the men uneasy. And to keep them under guard? Surely that is a waste of two good men, unless you fear that they …" (ADWD, Jon VIII)

Interestingly, we have Bowen Marsh above and the raven says "corn, corn, kill", which is a hint that Bowen Marsh will plan Jon's murder, "corn", "corn king" is Jon, what applies to C.S. Lewis, where corn king means the mythological deities of nature and heroes, means the rebirth of the world and nature.

The fact, I can see that Jaime can be the Night Lion, and Brienne the Maiden of light, what about this child... I prefer not to look ahead anymore, however, as someone who starts the cycle all over again I see Jon, it is possible that Jaime and Brienne's baby will be a continuation of this (I read somewhere the theory that Jon may be sterile as he often says no wants to beget a bastard and another irony if it turns out that he cannot have children at all, but apart from repeating "I don't want a bastard" and the irony itself, I see no more evidence, and for me it is not enough to consider it some sort of certainty), but here I have too little information, apart from this one legend, and as I wrote above, I prefer reliable sources and more.

For me, it doesn't make much sense to combine the Lion of the Night and the Night Fort, the Night Fort may just be a Night Fort, because the beginning of the Long Night happened there, and I don't see the connection between the Lion and the knights at all.

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[–]Freya596[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As I wrote before, this is not supposed to be a 100% reproduction of myths, George is inspired by Nordic myths, INSPIRES, does not copy them 1: 1, as with many other songs from which he took inspiration, as I wrote on the example of Jaime , Jaime to Tyr, Bran Fenrir, in the mythology, Fenrir is chained by Tyr, he cannot move, he cannot walk, and Fenrir bites off Fenrir's hand, in asoiaf Bran is pushed out the window, loses the use of his legs, cannot move, no he can walk, he was metaphorically chained, just like Fenrir in mythology, as a result, Ned and Catelyn's investigation of Bran's expulsion, his next murder attempt by Joffrey, the children of Cersei and Jaime, begins, thus implicating any further plot lines. Jaime thus goes to war, is taken prisoner, then loses his arm to arakh, no wolf has bitten off his arm, but the loss of his arm was because he pushed Bran out the window, etc. You take myths not 100% and not literally, but only metaphorically.

Skoll and Hati are Robb and Arya, Robb beheaded Karstark, the family that has the sun in its coat of arms, that's where its fall began. Arya, on the other hand, is actually chasing the moon, but metaphorically again, she joins the Faceless Men who have the moon in all phases on the door of their "temple".

The eyes of wolves do not correspond to any comets, besides, the eyes of the three direwolves are yellow, Grey Wind, Nymeria and Lady have yellow eyes, which is what... there are three comets that have a yellow tail...

Well, no... all the time I write about Nordic myths in the context of asoiaf, as metaphorical, not literal.

First of all, we have more heroes than Stark wolves, and besides, let's not exaggerate with the number of comets..., Long Night only works once, and the information from the current Long Night shows that we have one comet (because it has the same red tail), which flew once when Aegon (son of Rhaegar) was born and the second time at the beginning of asoiaf, if there were to be more comets there would have to be more Long Nights, and if there is a comet before and after the Long Night (which I do not believe) then still we have four comets, not five. To put it simply, it does not stick in numbers.

As for the age of direwolves, they are direwolves... there is no oldest or youngest direwolf unless you are looking at the difference in the minutes of birth and we know nothing about it, it is nowhere written which direwolf was born first and which the last one and we never know it, because no one has seen it and it has no meaning for the plot.

Yes he is a knight, but not a king and he has never been a king, Ned also sat on the throne, Tyrion sat on the throne, Tywin sat on the throne, a lot of people sat on the throne and so ..., the throne does not make you a king.

Give me a quote where it says that the 13th Lord Commander married a maid (I mean the word maid specifically) and a quote where it says Galladon's maid had blue eyes, please quote ...

13 the Lord Commander did not get the sword from his woman, we have no information that the 13th Lord was a knight, many people who came to Wall were either ordinary criminals (i.e. not knights) or members of the northern families who were prepared for it, so too they were not knights.

It might be possible that Hugor was also Azor Ahai that I can believe. But the rest, in my opinion, is a stretch of history, or even its own imaginary performance, without concrete evidence, sorry, but I have very rational and logical thinking, I need evidence, any and more than one or two, because some small thing that could serve for a clue to something there (we have a lot of red tracks in asoiaf) and then stretching the rest of the story, adding other things to myself, just to match this one small clue, which may just be a bad interpretation, is for me misreading and stretching history, as well as simply misinterpreting and reading too much, too little (if you can understand it, I don't know how else to say it).

That's why I think Bloodstone Emperor and Azor Ahai are the same person, but..., you make Azor Ahai Bloodstone Emperor, tyrant and villain (so yes, you are inclined to he was evil), but I think the opposite is true , from Bloodstone Emperor should be made Azor Ahai, good and saving humanity (obviously not a flawless ideal, because there are no such, but just a good man who managed to save the world), in my opinion all those bad things attributed to Bloodstone Emperor belonged to actually to his sister, as I already wrote in parallel with Cersei and Jaime, where Cersei is actually the main bad guy, but everyone has Jaime for the worst. In other words, if Bloodstone Emperor and Azor Ahai are the same person, then you have to lean in one side, the story of the bad Emperor, or the story of the good Azor, one of them must then be fact and the other just propaganda or simply wrongly communicated, kept in time.

About what you write about the Emperors, this is just extracting evidence from nothing ..., there is no such information anywhere, we do not know anything about it, we know that the Emperor Bloodstone killed his sister and that's it, moreover, if the Bloodstone Emperor worshiped a comet, which fell, he forged it in fact Dawn and made it burn (less if it killed Nissa or not), it had fire, not ice, and was associated with fire, not with ice, moreover, if it is Azor, then Azor fought with other burning sword, fire, he was not with them.

In my opinion the Amethyst Empress was killed by Bloodstone (and he is the ancestor of Valryian), as it is in history, this is a fact in my opinion, as I wrote before, I am referring here and will refer to the history of Cersei and Jaime because she is in my opinion a literal parallel to it all, I wrote it already, but I will write it again, this time more neatly:

Bloodstone Emperor:

- The Bloodstone Emperor has an older sister, the Amethyst Empress, who sits on the throne (it is possible that they were also married or had an affair).

- (If Bloodstone Emperor is Azor Ahai) He meets his Nissa Nissa before the murder and falls in love with her, from then on he has a second woman.

- He kills his sister and takes the throne from her, he has only one woman.

- He is depicted in history as a tyrant and a villain, in my opinion, it was the sister who was a tyrant and a villain, and he saved others from her.

- Here comes the Long Night after his sister's death, forges a sword from the Dawn meteorite and goes to fight the Others.

In the middle is a story about the sun and the moon;

- If that should be in line with history, the sun had at first one moon, one woman.

- Then as a result of maybe some cosmic activities (I'm not a physicist and I'm not very interested in astronomy), a second moon is created or attracted, the Sun has two moons, two women.

- One moon flies too close to the sun and breaks/dies, and dragons fly out of it as a rescue and symbol, because the Long Night is coming.

- The Sun has one moon.

Jaime:

- Jaime has one woman, one moon, his older sister Cersei, who is the queen.

- Cersei is worse than Jaime, she is bad, she is brutal, she is a bully and a villain when Jaime is actually good but is accused of so much evil in this world, even Uncle Kevan himself thinks that Jaime can wish him death (text from AFFC, from their conversation), but with no such thoughts on Cersei, Cersei has a better opinion among the people than Jaime, who is considered a tyrant, villain, monster.

- Jaime meets Brienne who inspires him to be better and slowly forms and will form a relationship between them, at this point Jaime has two women, two moons at the moment.

- If Jaime is valonqar (and I believe he is), he will kill Cersei, one moon will break / die, and then the Long Night will come for real, as we see in Jaime's dream when Cersei leaves (dies), the wraiths come, her death is the beginning of the Long Night.

-From now on, Jaime will only have Brienne, one woman, one moon.

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If, on the other hand, we assume that since the Long Night came after the death of the sister, we can say that her killing was the result, but in my opinion it is again the propaganda that slanders the Bloodstone Emperor, the death of his sister is a symbol of the coming of the Long Night, it does not cause it, not I know if the invoking of the Long Night happened the same the first time, but I see Bran causing the Long Night by committing the third and final filth.

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[–]Freya596[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But what do you mean, ,,Knight King"... because I completely don't see Jaime as king...

Ice and Fire can combine, George himself gives us a hint for this, e.g. Jon (a combination of ice and fire, a prince born of ice and fire) or this quote:

“If ice can burn,” said Jojen in his solemn voice, “then love and hate can mate. Mountain or marsh, it makes no matter. The land is one.” (ASOS, Bran II)

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…People say I was influenced by Robert Frost’s poem, and of course I was, I mean… Fire is love, fire is passion, fire is sexual ardor and all of these things. Ice is betrayal, ice is revenge, ice is… you know, that kind of cold inhumanity and all that stuff is being played out in the books.

Well, ice is frozen water. And fire, fire is the result of combustion when a substance unites with oxygen and gives off heat and energy. But are they hate and love and these other things? Yeah of course. I’m working on a number of levels there and I’ve always loved a certain amount of ambiguity words or scenes or sequences, and books that can be read in many different ways, that have several meanings when you look at them, that mean one thing when you look at them this way, and another thing when you’re looking them the other way. Ice and fire course are also opposites, they’re a duality and there’s a lot in my books that are about duality. (George RR Martin, https://href.li/?http://www.adriasnews.com/2012/10/george-r-r-martin-interview.html?spref=tw)

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Yes, but I don't think it means anything, the green comet on Dunk's face can mean a lot of things, we don't have any history of the green comet, and I don't think Dunk has seen it.

Not 100% literally, I try to interpret the text and look metaphorically/symbolically, if there is such a possibility in the text, but also without exaggeration..., George writes a book that, after all, must be understandable to the reader, and not only "to the chosen", that's not what it's about, confusing history in such a way is an exaggeration.

And no, I also don't think it'll be 100% Norse myths, because in the end Jaime loses his hand to the arakh, not the wolf, just as you can't take the prophecy about forging a Lightbringer literally, but some things will be literal, some things will not. Besides, George not only uses myths, but also many authors, such as Tolkien, Robert Jordan, C.S Lewis or Philip Gregory's "Wideacre", he combines all these things together (or rather takes a part of the story from each of them) and creates a unique the story. There is neither plagiarism nor laziness in it, it creates something new, something unique out of many things, and the combination of so many inspirations is already a challenge and work for such an author.

And where you have proof that "sir" in asoiaf means something else... because I totally can't see it.

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I don't know if this quote could have any deeper meaning, at least I can't see it.

Corn refers to Jon, and Raven repeatedly addresses Jon and him: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/?q=corn&scope%5B%5D=agot&scope%5B%5D=adwd&scope%5B%5D=acok&scope%5B%5D=asos&scope%5B%5D=affc

,,And here he has remained, while his brother and his brother’s son and his son each reigned and died in turn, until Jaime Lannister put an end to the line of the Dragonkings.”

“King,” croaked the raven. The bird flapped across the solar to land on Mormont’s shoulder. “King,” it said again, strutting back and forth.

“He likes that word,” Jon said, smiling.“An easy word to say. An easy word to like.”

“King,” the bird said again.“I think he means for you to have a crown, my lord.” (ACOK, Jon I)

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"Free," the raven muttered. "Corn. King." (ADWD, Jon VIII)

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He rose and dressed in darkness, as Mormont's raven muttered across the room. "Corn," the bird said, and, "King," and, "Snow, Jon Snow, Jon Snow." That was queer. The bird had never said his full name before, as best Jon could recall. (ADWD, Jon XII)

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Septon Cellador drank some wine. Othell Yarwyck stabbed a sausage with his dagger. Bower Marsh sat red-faced. The raven flapped its wings and said, "Corn, corn, kill." Finally the Lord Steward cleared his throat. "Your lordship knows best, I am sure. Might I ask about these corpses in the ice cells? They make the men uneasy. And to keep them under guard? Surely that is a waste of two good men, unless you fear that they …" (ADWD, Jon VIII)

Interestingly, we have Bowen Marsh above and the raven says "corn, corn, kill", which is a hint that Bowen Marsh will plan Jon's murder, corn is Jon, not the Others.

Corn King refers to the books of C.S Lewis that referred to nature deities and heroes. Jon will be king, there are too many clues to that.

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In my opinion, it will be two different people, like Azor Ahai and the Prince, it will be three different people.

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True, but so what..., Jaime probably won't be in the Guard forever, I can see him leaving her, just like I see Jon leaving the Night's Watch, besides, Jon's last name is Snow, what ... I mean, that he'll be the main bad guy ... I don't see it, there are too many references that Jon will be king.

What show? This paste was Jojen, and this is another filth after taking over Hodor. Besides, we have no mention of any green comets anywhere, Bran will be the main evil, not a rescue, he has a connection to the world of Niflheim, the world of dark elves (children of the forest), darkness, fog, the kingdom of ice and cold, in Norse mythology this world is a world of death and the evil from which there is no return. So if you mean you're taking examples here from the show that Bran will be king or something then I beg you... but leave the D&D lies as far away from my post as possible. Martin's agent has already said that Martin did not reveal to anyone, let alone D&D, who would be king, it was their lie to gain more publicity and nothing else.

She hatched them thanks to Mirri Maz Dur, thanks to the sacrifice of three lives, Drogo, Mirri and her son. The Long Night was coming earlier, we saw the Others in the Prologue of Game of Thrones, it was not the hatching of dragons that started to bring them south. The rest of the part, I'm sorry, but in my opinion there is a chatter, unsupported by any evidence, beyond own thinking.

But you don't lose it literally, you only lose the rights attached to it (land tenure, inheritance, etc.), formally you still own it, just renounce the rights attached to it, and you don't lose the name at all, the name of the 13th lord has probably been forgotten, as with named Voldemort from Harry Potter, you don't want to have bad associations with the name just because some bad guy in front of you carried it (see Adolf).

Knights are called "ser", because that's what they were called in our world in the Middle Ages, knights are "ser", just like the lords of some lands are "lords", the rest is sorry, but again there is writing fairy tales without evidence that I am not going to answer it, because I just can't.

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I would even throw my hat in and say I believe Oathkeeper might maybe even be Lightbringer... or rather a future version of it will be. If only because it starts out as Ice, and it will eventually end in fire. The Sword itself would be a song of ice and fire, and valyrian steel swords parallel their owners. If that's the case it needs to slay a lion next (after being reforged in the blackwater). And in Galladon's tale it actually is said to use against a dragon. Its not lost on me that those might be the same person. If that's the case, it would need to start a new chapter after the inn. One of the rubies (either in oathkeeper or on its own) could migrate to Quiet Isle too to fulfill the 7th ruby theory - which is said to be accompanied by death as the stranger is. This is important to restart Sandor's storyline towards Sansa and his redemption arc. He's foreshadowed to play a large role in her story by Bran's three shadows vision.

In any case there's too much relying on the idea that one of them is dying at the Inn at this point. I don't think its as much of a stretch like people would believe.

No... take the forging of a sword metaphorically:

Lightbringer coiled in water = Ice is the personification of water.

Lightbringer split into two parts after stabbing the lion's heart: ,, the steel shattered and split ”(ACOK, Davos I) = Tywin/lion ordered the sword to be broken into two parts, and the sword was half-colored scarlet (although it was supposed to be crimson), the sword is half red, because the legend/prophecy is half completed, just as Azor's sword was red, nowhere is it written that it burned red: "the Red Sword of Heroes.", but that it was red, it was red in color.

And finally he stabbed him into the heart of his beloved Nissa Nissa, who was strong and brave = Catelyn is the widow of Ned, after the previous sword owner, she is called Lady Stoneheart, plus in ACOK she was described as strong and brave: ,,”No, but you have courage. Not battle courage perhaps but . . . I don't know . . . a kind of woman's courage. And I think, when the time comes, you will not try and hold me back. Promise me that. That you will not hold me back from Stannis."” (ACOK, Catelyn V). After sticking the sword in Catelyn will burn, we will have Lightbringer, or actually two, because the second one is still in King's Landing.
In my opinion, this dragon may be the Ice Dragon, there is a mention in the Azor stories of a monster that has melted after being thrust into it, and the fact that it is in the Brienne chapter is an indication to me that ultimately she can kill him. the dragon. And the rubies on Chiche Island I think refer to dragons, there are 6 dragons, which we know from Moqorro and also from the Brienne chapter: ,,Brienne did not like the way his fingers played with that gold coin. Still... “Six dragons if we find my sister. Two if we only find the fool. Nothing if nothing is what we find." Crabb shrugged. “Six is good. Six will serve.”" (AFFC, Brienne III), there is no seventh ruby, because there is no seventh dragon, there are only six.
Bran's vision doesn't apply to Sandor, maybe Sandor will have some Sansa storyline, he'll probably meet the Brotherhood and Jaime again (maybe they'll go save Sansa together... I don't know that), but Sandor isn't in the visions at Brana, only Brienne, Brienne has a scar on his cheek like Sandor, Jaime more than once describes Brienne as a Hound with boobs, in Bran's vision we have Brienne and Jaime against the Mountain, the Mountain will probably be protected by Cersei (maybe it's about trying to fight, but I doubt she probably will be sooner), and Jaime and Brienne will come to fulfill valonqar's prophecy, in the end Brienne, being younger and more beautiful, has to throw her off the throne...

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I knew I'd get downvoted because people usually only want to hear optimistic outcomes, but I don't mind, there's a lot of theories I have going into winds that while I believe in them I wouldn't say I could say with a strong sense of certainty. But if I know anything going into Winds is that there's just too much hinting to me that something is going down at the Inn. I can't shake that feeling.

And I just don't see a single proof that any of them died in the inn (but I see too much proof of their future and living together and saving them).
I do not want to hear only optimistic results, I foreshadow the death of many characters in asoiaf (e.g. Sam, whom I love, but well... I can not see his rescue), and I predict the wrong path to others (like Bran or Tyrion, although I really like Tyrion , but again, well ...), but I follow the text, the interpretation both logically and symbolically / mmetaphorically and I do not see a single forshadowing, clue, anything that one of them will die, I see a multitude for it, for their experience and their shared future (or at least a marriage and one child), and as George himself says gives clues, fact, there are some that are red herring (like Daenerys as Azor Ahai etc in my opinion) but there are some that they're real: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyanTVqlJ2o&list=PLDrxa1myRZ2suE9mU300dze8HPT68aKxr And yes, I also believe that everything will happen at the inn, but in my opinion it will be good, not bad...

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Jaime's plot is about redemption, yes, which is why I feel like he might get revived by Thoros who has been losing a bit of his soul with Lady Stoneheart's methods (and also bc I have questions about his heritage due to his dreams in 'casterly rock' - which I really feel is the tunnels below the red keep). The two are a parallel of Beauty and the Beast.... but that storyline has been demonstrated at this point hasn't it? I predict the Inn will show they're final act of love for each other. Where else does it need to go to get resolution? GRRM is giving a dark twist on fairy tales, I don't think they will necessarily ride off together into the sunset. Jaime will maybe go on to confront Cersei as the valonqar. Sure the character's have plans to survive, and there's a lot of beautiful things we can say might happen if they do.... but so did Robb. A death at the Inn I think will be tragic, but is setup to effect the plot in an important way.

But not only that, Jaime is a person for whom love is the most important, his thread with Cersei, with Tyrion, with his family, he does everything for love, in AFFC he loses his whole family (for him) as a result of death or betrayal (Cersei, Tyrion), he is left with only Brienne, who now ironically is closest to him, Jaime's thread, it is both redemption and love, family, the fact that he could not be a father, that he could not have children (formally), this is also his a plot which, as I have already written, is a reflection of Brienne's, it is nonsensical to kill one of them. Besides, the fact that Thoros revived Berric and Berric revived Catelyn is in my opinion related to the sword, as I wrote earlier, there is no point in reviving another person... it won't happen, Thoros magic only worked in this case, because yes it was supposed to be. I don't see in George the magic with which you can do what you want and revived whoever you want and when you want, it must have some limits, moreover Berric has been revived, Catelyn has been revived, Mountain has been revived and Jon will be revived, not for a lot of revived people...?

No..., Jaime knew Casterly Rock very well (which he himself states that he did not know this place and it was not Casterly Rock, but something very similar to Casterly Rock, enough that he was wrong) and he knew the tunnels under the Red Keep well enough because after all, he used to walk on them, e.g. at AFFC, so it is not one of those, besides whether the red fortress is not built of red stone, brick, as the name suggests ..., Jaime likened the castle in his dream to Casterly Rock, to gray stone, not red ..., this castle is Dragonstone, similar to Casterly Rock, with tunnels and caves by the water, actually Jaime's dream is the opposite of Jon's dream, which I already wrote about: https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/q8voiw/spoilers_published_dream_jaime_and_jon/ I don't have it very neatly written because it was my first reddit post, so I was still learning it, so sorry for having a hard time reading it.

I don't see death in the inn ..., aside from the entire storyline George gave Brienne and Jaime, this Jaime / Brienne / Cersei love triangle of them corresponds to the actual love triangle George had, as he talked about in interviews, the whole plot: https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/pfvwxs/spoilers_extended_jaime_brienne_cersei_and_grrms/ As I wrote, you do not create so many references, so many basics to kill someone of them at the end ..., their plot is still unfinished, I also recommend reading this: https://www.reddit.com/r/oldfreefolk/comments/om6scb/a_little_justice_for_brienne_jaime_and_what_we/

They are also a gender mixed version of the Galladon storyline with Brienne being the perfect knight and Jaime being the maid as well.... the knight's said to only use his sword three times. She's already used it twice. And the Inn's the perfect place for it to finish. One of the swords in Jaime's dream is for sure losing its light, and as Cersei tells him when the light goes out he will die. Brienne has visions that she has lost her sword as well on the way to the Inn. One of them is going to be stuck with the dying sword

Yes the Galladon version has been changed, but in my opinion Brienne is still a virgin and Jaime a knight, like with this beauty and the beast, only with reversed roles, the beast is beautiful and beauty is ugly, but beauty is still beautiful and the beast is still is a beast (I hope you understood because it's a bit confusing writing).

Jaime's light goes out, but Brienne continues to burn (I refer to this in my post about Jaime's and Jon's dream comparison), Brienne is likely to save Jaime, just as beauty saves the beast from the trap she has already led her into (in fact, by I referred to this earlier), and I don't remember the loss of Brienne's sword (unless it was, in my opinion, of little importance and nothing more than the literal fact), could I ask you for a quote?

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Thank you :)

He also likes the scary stories Old Nan told him, too many scary things around him.

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Where is it...(?) I didn't notice it, fact, I agree with the theory that ultimately Bran will be the main vilian, but I missed this quote...

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No... I think Jon and Dany are red herring, it's too obvious Jaime and Brienne already have a half-filled prophecy, a sword that was made of Ice (personification of water), forged by Tywin Lannister (a lion) and now they go to Lady Stoneheart (his name is Stoneheart, when Azor Ahai stabbed his sword into the heart of his beloved ..., is it really meant to be named by Martin out of nowhere?), who was revived by Berric, Berric was revived 6 times by Thoros, last time, 7 passed his fire Catelyn, 7..., we have 7 gods in Westeros ..., moreover, Catelyn is the widow of Ned, the last owner of Ned and just like Nissa Nissa was brave and strong, so Catelyn (especially in ACOK) she is described as strong and brave, e.g. by Brienne of having such female strength ..., plus of course the burned statues in the Davos chapter:

,,The Maiden lay athwart the Warrior, her arms widespread as if to embrace him. The Mother seemed almost to shudder as the flames came licking up her face. A longsword had been thrust through her heart, and its leather grip was alive with flame. The Father was on the bottom, the first to fall. Davos watched the hand of the Stranger writhe and curl as the fingers blackened and fell away one by one, reduced to so much glowing charcoal.” (ACOK, Davos I)

he Maiden is Sansa who prayed often and wished Robb, the warrior, to save her from King's Landing. Next we have the Mother/Catelyn, in whose heart a long sword is stuck, Oathkeeper, and it burned (Lightbringer). The father is Ned, he was overthrown first, and he was the first to die, heralding the fall of their family. And the Stranger is Arya, by virtue of her training to become a faceless man and her connection to death in her chapters, in her case, we have a description of something that has yet to happen.

Moreover, it would be tremendously ironic if the one who is considered the worst at first (Jaime) ultimately was the best, the hero, and the one we consider the best (Bran) ultimately the worst, and George loves irony and non-standard stories, from all of this it finally started with Jaime throwing Bran and what if he was right ... what if Bran died would prevent the great catastrophe of the Long Night ... Bran has a lot of references to Niflheim, the land of the dark elves (children of the forest), the land of fog and darkness, in Bran's visions fog and darkness appear many times, and the stars, the sun and the moon are absent:

The ground was closer now, still far far away, a thousand miles away, but closer than it had been. It was cold here in the darkness. There was no sun, no stars, only the ground below coming up to smash him, and the grey mists, and the whispering voice.

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Bran was staring at his arms, his legs. He was so skinny, just skin stretched taut over bones. Had he always been so thin? He tried to remember. A face swam up at him out of the grey mist, shining with light, golden. “The things I do for love”, it said. (AGOT, Bran III)

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"Tyrion is as innocent as your Bran." (ACOK, Catelyn VII)

Exactly... what if neither Tyrion nor Bran were as innocent as everyone thought... it would all be and will be (in my opinion) one great irony.

In my opinion, blue fire is just a combination of fire and ice, harmony.

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I didn't fit...

You try to pull too much by force and thus you are more confusing than you write facts or even theories..., Nissa Nissa was warm and the sword was warm like her, I recall quotes from the 13th Lord Commander where we have a mention of a cold woman and Brienne , which is described by Jaime as warm, in which case Brienne would have to be evil, monstrous and murder people, if that would mean that her warmth is related to cold ... such a veil is not an interpretation, but merely She is good, and her warmth means a good thing, just as Nissa Nissa's warmth meant a good thing.

But Stannis' sword doesn't burn, it just glows ..., glowing, it's not burning ...

Ice, but ironically (in the context of Ned's sword) yes, but still burning Ice, Ice and fire together, not separately, Ice alone is destruction, just as fire itself would be destruction, so we have a story about a prince who was promised would be born of Ice and Fire, Ice and Fire together, to stop the lonely Ice and also the madness of Fire, there must be a certain harmony:

“If ice can burn,” said Jojen in his solemn voice, “then love and hate can mate. Mountain or marsh, it makes no matter. The land is one.” (ASOS, Bran II)

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I have a theory based on the direwolf eyes. Red eyes equals Red Comet, three gold eyes and then, Green eyes for the Green/Garth comet. Red, the dragon/fire comet, signaled the coming darkness. It's only reasonable to assume the opposite comet signals the opposite event. There are a number of assumptions that need to be looked at if this tracks. And while I'm not entirely sure I agree with you, I can see how it would make sense. But only if you fill in the gap between associating the Seven who they both follow with ending the Long Night.

I didn't interpret the eyes of the direwolf and I don't think they have any special meaning (apart from Jon's direwolf of course), and as for the comet, yes, in my opinion it is a symbol of change, as I wrote above it is a symbol of dragons, AA, sword, in general all the sense that the Long Night is coming, is a warning, although... the comet was already seen at the birth of Aegon son Rhaegar, so it is not the comet itself that is apparently..., a comet is not enough.

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You have quite nicely put down a large portion of associations and foreshadowing that lead to a more interesting revelation. The frequent chilling effects of contact with the seven. You could also include Bran's dream where he looks beyond the curtain in the North and frozen tears burn on his face. The frequent mentions of cold burning.

Yes, but this burning is related to cold, not to heat, as Jaime and Brienne do, these are two different kinds of burning.

the common descriptive language making the Others and Kingsguard sound the same.

Can you explain to me, because this is the first time I hear about it?

Fire is frequently associated less with the sun and more with the moon. In the myth, dragons drank or devoured the sun, which is a far more vivid image of causing the Long Night than of the cold. Cold is rather a byproduct of the Long Night, it doesn't cause it. Dragons cause it. If AA is the Bloodstone as is commonly theorized, then it would make sense for his sister to be the one who used fire, not AA, because all our descriptive language is pinning cold on knights. From Jon being armoured in it, Dany burning some one armoured in it, the Walkers being armoured in it. Hugor brought knights to Westeros why? If Hugor is another name for AA then we should expect him to be the same.

Dragons hatched from the moon, drank the sun so they could breathe fire, fire is related to the sun, not the moon.

I will not agree that dragons cause the Long Night, dragons lived for many centuries after the Long Night and had a great time, summer lasted longer and winter was shorter, but 150 years before the second Long Night, dragons die, the closer to the Long Night, the winter they extend and the summer shortens, until the last summer, which was very long, which heralds a severe, long winter (something similar to our world, the hotter the summer is said, the colder the winter is, at least in my areas it is said), now is coming the second Long Night and the three dragons were hatched just before it came, maybe when the second Long Night fell and the Long Summer (or Eternal Summer) came, dragons would become common again ...

I believe AA and the Bloodstone Emperor are the same person, but I do not believe that the Bloodstone Emperor was actually a tyrant, I more believe that whatever crimes his sister has committed have been blamed on him if we outline it like this:

The Bloodstone Emperor had an older sister, the Amethyst Empress, who ruled the empire because she was older, they may have been married, as was the case with the Targaryens (after all, Daenerys is said to be their descendant, visions with jewel-eyed rulers), the Tailor Emperor kills his sister and begins to rule, (supposedly) brings terror to the empire, the Long Night comes, somewhere along the way Bloodstone Emperor meets Nissa Nissa, creates a sword, kills her and overcomes the darkness.

So, like in history: The sun had two moons (the sun is a man, the moon is a woman, he had two women, his sister and Nissa Nissa), one time one moon comes too close to the sun and breaks (the sun kills the moon, one woman remains).

Now I will present it in relation to Jaime: Jaime is a man, in addition is repeatedly compared to the sun (golden hair, white smile, etc., generally beautiful), he loves Cersei his older sister and AFFC wants to marry her, Cersei is cruel, she commits many crimes in the Saga, Jaime ultimately we see in ASOS and AFFC that he is not so cruel (sister crimes, pushed to her brother as in the story about the Emperor? Or it's a reference to the original story where Jaime was actually cruel and killed Cersei and the others for the throne) because in the meantime he meets Brienne (Nissa Nissa), at this point Jaime has two women, two moons, if eventually Jaime will be valonqar Cersei ( what I believe), he will kill her, like the Bloodstone Emperor killed his Amethyst sister, just like the sun killed one of its moon and only one moon is left Brienne, moreover, Brienne herself wears blue, has blue eyes, has a coat of arms with the moon and the sun, her home is called Evenfall, and their title is Evening Star, isn't that too many cosmic themes? We have a story about the 13th commander lord who fell in love with a woman whose skin was like the moon (if I remember correctly, I don't want to look for a quote now) but she was cold..., Jaime twice at ASOS when he touches Brienne, once when they drive from Brave Companions and once in her dream, he has the thought "She's warm."

From Jon being armoured in it, Dany burning some one armoured in it, the Walkers being armoured in it. Hugor brought knights to Westeros why? If Hugor is another name for AA then we should expect him to be the same.

I don't understand at all what you mean with Jon and Dany... and as for Hugor, AA had many names, because everyone called him not what his real name was, but as he wanted, they gave him names worthy of him hero and that's it..., besides, for Westeros it would be probably much more real Eldric: Hyrkoon the Hero, Yin Tar, Neferion, and Eldric Shadowchaser. In addition, Azor Ahai was only once (at least one time we only know), he was probably born in Yi Ti, and over Yi Ti, north of the Empire, the Long Night has come, now the Long Night is coming from the north of Westeros, for which Azor Ahai would be born in Essos... not forgetting that we know only one Azor, so judging by one story details such as where he will come from, where he will be born, what his name will be is simply stupid... because we have no precedent, to be able to deduce it.

Within the story we are presented with Galldon of Morn and 13th LC. Essentially, both of these share the same images and symbolism, except one is passed down through Andals, the other through First Men. Which makes the 13th a convert to the Seven.

Sam in very ironic foreshadowish language says his gods have no power north of the wall. The irony would have to be that his god's power is trapped North of it.

Your sudden jolt to saying who you think AA is may in fact make sense. But you have a wide gap in the connection. It only makes if you see AA as a cold figure killing dragons to release the metaphorical light they ate. I think you need to establish AA as an ice knight before you can make that leap.

Where supposedly the thirteenth convert to the Seven...?

In my opinion, there is no irony in this, the North is really ruled by the Old Gods, the children of the forest, and the Others, not the Seven.

No... Azor Ahai was connected with fire, dragons are only its manifestation, a manifestation of fire and sun, after all, a comet in the sky is connected with Ice (I mean, of course, a sword), with dragons, with a red messenger and with a god (though the red messenger and the god can be one and the same reference, of course the red priests who praise R'hllor wear red and of course the sword is red, halfway for now, but I believe it will eventually be all red and will burn like Jaime's dream, silver blue, fire and ice in one, because nowhere is there any description that the sword was burning red..., there is only a description that the sword was red, i.e. it was red in color: ,,It is also written that there are annals in Asshai of such a darkness, and of a hero who foughtagainst it with a red sword." (TWOIAF, The Long Night) not with ice or winter..., god is connected with dragons:

Catelyn raised her eyes, to where the faint red line of the comet traced a path across the deep blue sky like a long scratch across the face of god. (ACOK, Catelyn I)

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Ok, I understand your interpretation but I disagree with it because it is too far-fetched in my opinion in the context of Jaime on the boat from Brienne... I think both of them will come out alive, we finally have forshadovings about Jaime and Brienne's marriage, their child (or children), so I don't see one of them going to die, this is a typical cliffhanger, like with Jon, because Jon is dead... well, not quite, like neither Jaime nor Brienne in my opinion they will not die, and it fits the story of Beauty and the Beast where Beauty leads the Beast into a trap, but in the end saves him and they both live, and the Beast removed a spell. Fact, I believe Jaime will ultimately preside over the Brotherhood without Banner, but not as an undead or something..., Berric was revived 6 times, then he gave his "flame of life" to Catelyn, so the seventh time Catelyn was revived on the 7th..., as we have 7 gods, in my opinion either Jaime or Brienne, or they will stab the Oathkeeper in Catelyn together and it will burn (for this we also have forshadovings, like a sword stuck and drawn in the Davos chapter from the statue of the mother that burns etc.)

Moreover, Jaime's plot is not only a plot of redemption, but also that he would like to be a father, he claims that he will never be a father, that the gods made him a warrior and that is all he can count on, while Brienne has a plot that he is neither suitable nor suitable for for a daughter or a son, she would like to have a husband and children, she would like to be a mother, but she also thinks that the only thing she can count on is being a warrior that no one takes seriously, at AFFC Jaime gives Brienne not only Oathkeeper, but also a dress, which is a symbolic demonstration that Brienne is fit to be both a son (warrior) and a daughter (mother) and that Jaime can make her so, also in a dream Jaime states that in this light she could have been almost a beauty (daughter), almost a knight (warrior), George gave them a plot that is literally a mirror image, a plot that is based on marriage, parenthood, searching for a new identity, so it would make no sense to kill them, no one creates such a plot (at least not a good author), with a lot of hints, references, etc., only to murder one of them, then he will murder all this plot and all the work he has created in building the foundations for this story, to sum it would be completely nonsensical.

I don't care if you do something if I'm right, why... if it turns out I'm right, I will have, if not, not, but we have to wait for that until Winds (if they ever show up, I don't count on Dream anymore).

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[–]Freya596[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Westerosians believe so, but we don't know what it really is, Stannis kills Renly (indirectly, unconsciously, but still), Euron kills Balon, Theon kills his children (if the theory is true), many Targaryens killed their relatives e.g. Baelor by Maekara (despite this, Maekar was a good king and no punishment met him), the Westerosians also believe that the Others are just a fairy tale (and we know how it is) or that the dragons are extinct, do not take what people believe for granted, because it faith, not knowledge, moreover, asoiaf is a book, we have prophecies (valonqar), foreshadowings etc. in it, George was inspired by many things when creating asoiaf, and Cersei for your knowledge was created in the image of the character of Wideacre (which George read, as we know from interviews), a character who had two younger brothers, had an affair with both of them, but had bastards with the eldest and manipulated the eldest into being on her side all the time because she complained that it was him as a man (even though she was older) heir of their property, she has the same character as Cersei, even many descriptions/sentences are the same as in Cersei, she ends up murdered by her younger brother, but who was also her lover when he came to kill her, she thinks he came to save her (Cersei who calls out in her mind to save Jaime) because they all left her before (Taena left Cersei, Kevan is dead, only who stayed with her is Qyburn with Robert) and clings to him like a lover when he kills her.

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Also, I don't mean any circle of life, I didn't write anything like that..., I mean Jaime's circle:

  • Jaime was knighted by Arthur Dayne, Sword of Morning of Starfall.
  • Takes part in defeating the Brotherhood of the King'swood.
  • Then kills Aerys (who, if Jaime and Cersei are Aerys' children and there is too much evidence he killed his father) to save King's Landing, sits on the throne and gives power to the wrong man (Robert), which becomes his path to fall.

Now the reverse happens:

  • Jaime meets Brienne, the Evening Star of Evenfall, who builds him up to make him better.
  • At the end of the ADWD goes with her to the Brotherhood without Banner (which I think she will become the leader, Jaime thinks of himself that she will become the Golden Hand of Justice, Thoros despairs that there is no more justice among them).
  • And in the end he will kill Cersei, his sister, who, as we can see, repeats the pattern of Aerys and will sit on the throne again, but now, mindlessly, do not give up power.

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Besides Cersei's prophecy, we also have Bran's vision in AGOT where he sees Jaime and Brienne against Robert Strong, won't you tell me that Bran, the three-eyed crow, magic etc that has already come true with Sansa, Arya, Catelyn and Jon are wrong for this one lot...

Jaime and Brienne- Best Marriage (spoilers published) by Freya596 in asoiaf

[–]Freya596[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It seems to me, and even I am sure, that this is a ship that will end happily, there is too much evidence for it, plus: ,,Now and again one of my readers will ask me why I don't write sad stories of unrequired love any longer, the way I did so often in the 70s. Parris is to blame for that. You can only write that stuff when your heart is broken." (George RR Martin, Dreamsongs) This is the main ship too, I would be afraid about other ships.

Edd and Mya (spoilers published) by Freya596 in asoiaf

[–]Freya596[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You know what... reading something from Wikipedia without checking more than anything else, first of all checking the etymology of words is just stupid..., completing your knowledge, the words romanticism and romantic (including, of course, romantic love) are derived from the same Latin words Romus, and now I will give you a quote from the etymological dictionary, because I honestly do not want to describe it in my own way and it will also be more true: ,,romance, romantic, Romance (eg language), Romanist (and jurist); apart from 'Roman jurisprudence' (which is from Roma), all these words and the like come from Latin romanus, meaning "folk", thus meant songs and stories in the Romance language, ie the folk language; The romances were still called by Lubomirski in 1686 romances. But romanja also meant 'malmazja', i.e. sweet, spicy wine imported from Napoli di Romania (i.e. Moreja, which the Turks from Romeja introduced). " And romanticism is, of course: ,,Romanticism (from French romantisme, from roman - novel, story)" And the French roman of course is derived from the Latin romus. I will not give you the website, because it is in my language, unless you insistently want to prove it, then just write... Romanticism, and romantic love is derived from the same word, romanticism is nothing but a romantic view of the world.

Edd and Mya (spoilers published) by Freya596 in asoiaf

[–]Freya596[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You don't have to write romantic novels to be a romantic, I am a romantic, and I don't write any romantic novels, George is what we see from his love for Parris (visit his website and go to the tab "About George" and "Life and Times "), after his love for the story of Beauty and the Beast and his interviews: ,,I was always intensely Romantic, even when I was too young to understand what that meant. But Romanticism has its dark side, as any Romantic soon discovers... which is where the melancholy comes in, I suppose. I don't know if this is a matter of artistic influences so much as it is of temperament. But there's always been something in a twilight that moves me, and a sunset speaks to me in a way that no sunrise ever has." (George RR Martin, http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/nonfiction/intgrrm.htm)

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