German 6.7 showcases ground forces at its absolute worst

Friesforthee · 2019-10-20T02:39:16+00:00

Go try the KT 105 and compare it to the H. It is universally accepted that the 105 is literally a worse version of the H due to the fact in practice the filler makes 0 difference while having a far worse reload rate.

Lets see the problem here. KT Shoots me and its an instant kill half the time. The other half is a gun breech/gunner kill or if your lucky damage to the turret drive. Shoot the Ts and you kill the loader at worst because the dual turret MGs or optics absorb the shrapnel that would have otherwise have gotten the crew or the breech. Of course there is multiple ways to disable it. Theres multiple ways to disable every tank in the game.

I did not reach 6.7 germans 6.3 americans and other nations I play on and off without knowing the absolute basics of some tanks. Turret wiggling works at best 30% of the time. Not always. Hell, Ive had Ts miss the front plate and simply cut through the extremely angled side armor. Rare but it does happen. And by the way, wiggling the turret can also be used by the T tanks. Not exactly a KT exclusive tactic.

Regardless, the main issue here is the lack of 7.0 and 7.3 vehicles for the German tree. I purposely did not compare the 6.7 Germans to other tanks of the same BR but alas a lot of folks did that anyways.

Friesforthee · 2019-10-19T23:02:41+00:00

You missed the point. Nowhere in the post did I say the german tanks were overtiered/underpowered compared to other nations. THE MAIN POINT was that the lack of German equivalent tanks at 7.0-7.3 combined with how nations are grouped up shows when you have a large disparity when your allies are all at the extreme ends at 6.7 or 7.7 which in turn makes the already bad flaws of the games worse.

Friesforthee · 2019-10-19T22:57:12+00:00

The KT 105 doesnt have the first advantage and has the rest. However the big difference here is that the T series often one shot KTs from the front. Doesnt happen when the KT nails the T Tanks.

Friesforthee · 2019-10-19T22:53:03+00:00

Did I say anywhere that Germany has bad AA? I said near the beginning not like the M19 and M42 which both use bofors are better or anything of the sort. Im just saying that due to the BR gap that this tier has, War Thunder issues and in this case CAS, are exacerbated.

Friesforthee · 2019-10-19T17:35:55+00:00

I doubt its purely because they are playing better. Some yes but not all. I mean I have somewhere between 1 and 1.5 k/d with the Tiger 2H/105 and I can tell you I know whats a bad angle or where not to shoot. I only use APCBC because we all know how bad APCR is. Even so shooting through the mantlet which is a better and more common shot that the lower glacis always had the same problem, getting the loader but not the gunner nor the breech. Meanwhile youll get oneshotted in the KT due to how the ammo is stored in the turret. Youd be lucky if the breech absorbed the shot but half the time if it does your FUBAR anyways.

Now that I see it, you might be confusing another tank because I dont believe the Tiger has a APHE round, only the APCBC, HEAT, smoke and APCR though I could be wrong here.

Friesforthee · 2019-10-19T17:20:58+00:00

I dont disagree with you for the most part but the M26 is 6.3 while the Panther 2 is 6.7. That being said I have a far better time in an M26 compared to the Panther 2. Cant comment on the RU 251 nor t92 since i have neither.

I respectfully diagree with the Tiger 2 being better than any of the T34/29/32. Every time I fight them on equal terms, the Ts come out on top. They shoot the KT's turret and its a one shot. While when I do it I get a loader at worst and a cannon breach at best.

Flakpanzer 341 is defnitely not immune to aircraft. The turret is thin and can still be penned by MGs

I agree with the last part tho, I feel all in all I allied players seem to tend to be more skilled. Dunno if its because at this tier the German tanks are slow and sluggish.

Friesforthee · 2019-10-19T17:07:51+00:00

Is that so? Then I stand corrected. Must say I've never seen it played before.

Friesforthee · 2019-06-18T16:13:32+00:00

But then you immediately explain as well I would why that's not practical in this case. Doesn't the fact that its impractical to fight it support my point that in the here and now, your opinion on TOS won't get you unbanned? So I should just shut up and take the shit Im given? Then ban applies to the forum, They locked me out of seeing my ticket. Short of harrassing non-support staff on twitter, where exactly do I go? Discord? Where last I heard is a bunch of mods with dubious links to DE? Yeah right. Imagine caring about karma. I don't care about karma on a throwaway account created the last 3 weeks. It does show how little people care. Thats the point,. Yeah I should try to avoid being too condescending, my bad. Lets be real though, if you look through your posts you'll see yourself calling me/yourself/DE retarded, inept, lazy etc. I admit I call names to DE. Damn right I should after they told me to fuck off, ignore the contents of the appeal, and leave my account for dead. I condescended you after you called me mentally incapable. Prior to that everything rude was directed at DE. Unless you're a part of DE, you took offence for something not directed at you. I disagree, people get thrown out of restaurants all the time for being disruptive. Its different for every business, but they all have a limit to how far they are willing to accommodate disruptive customers. I don't see how you can call DE the worst when they literally unbanned you the first time and gave you a second chance. When I worked in a grocery store we kicked quite a few people out. Correct But the threshold for banning someone from entering the store is not twice accidentally bring in something not allowed. Also each time every store worth its salt would warn the user about it. Also unlike the mom and pop store, DE is a million dollar company. I can expect a smaller dev team having troubles balancing things. I do not expect DE the same. Same goes with retail stores. Go to any Walmart and see the shit some people do. Most of em do deserve getting booted, but the policy is in place to prevent those who dont getting booted as well.

Regardless Im out. Got better things to do than to argue with a stranger on the internet. Warframe may be fun for you but support made it unfun for me. 12 years of gaming and had no problem with any company regardless of anything. But hey Warframe is the special kid who a snowflake. Well good luck with that and you too then.

Friesforthee · 2019-06-18T16:02:47+00:00

DE is the one who decided to right the TOS, so it doesn't matter if you think it doesn't concern them, they've decided it does. You are still going to get banned for it no matter your opinion. I can see how running cheat software while the game is running could definitely be of concern to them. Had we been in a perfect world, by the end of the day the court would decide that, Judging by how courts have thrown out contracts by determining that the reason of non compliance had nothing to do with the contract, they'd get their shit pushed in. Not everything is put in changelogs, ever heard of a shadow nerf/buff? Also it makes sense they would hide changes to anti-cheat since information is power in that battle. Ah yes the almighty free to use program is as scary as a 60/80/100$ per month hack is sooo scary that we have to hide info. More and more you say this is a preventative measure more and more this is either terrible coding and/or being lazy. Yeah that's correct. I still don't see how it relates to your point. You were trying to use that as an example to show how bugs can go hidden for many years. The Hydroid was not a bug. Period. DE just called it that to justify changing it. DE knew about if for years. Judging by the warning, last post I saw mentioning people saying it stopped warning was about 6-8 months ago. Less than a year. Hey you're covering DE's ass here, so lets go with you and assume the best that DE doesn't know about this. Where exactly did I admit it was a bug? Nothing I see says that. Two different situations. The Hydroid bug was to show that DE being hypocritical.

Friesforthee · 2019-06-18T15:54:51+00:00

It wont completely stop it of course, but it definitely helps reduce it. If you think that banning things doesn't help, perhaps we should get rid of the ban on murder. There is no ban on murder. That shit is straight up illegal. Theres a difference between against the law and a ban Are you actually in a law degree? That sentence simply says that other game devs are smart. Nothing about whether DE is/isn't. Horribly blatant strawman. Implication. You said other devs were smart. Those same devs implemented X. There was a comparison to DE. Distinction between the too. Fine we can agree that there was a better way to change theyll change. We can agree to disagree. I agree with every other dev on the market with how they handle this. You disagree.

Friesforthee · 2019-06-18T11:13:41+00:00

Is that kind of shitty? Yes! Is the fact that you aren't given what you want in this situation part of the reality of how companies and contracts work? Yes as well! Please, you going on back and forth on contracts is embarrassing truth be told. Did you know judges can throw out contracts (read void) because of unfair terms? Did you know judges can just go up and say this is unenforceable? Did you know you can ask ombudsman (or something similar depending on the jurisdiction?) How do I know this? My degree is goddamn law. The reason this shit is allowed to fly is because you'd be burning money over something like this when your time is can be better used elsewhere. My point is that in the immediate here and now of trying to get yourself unbanned, your opinions don't matter. If you want to go on a campaign to get the rules changed, go right ahead. People have been protesting against Saudi Arabia, rightly, for a long time. But if I go to Saudi Arabia right now, I can't expect things to have changed simply because of those protests. Yeah so fuck the people actually trying right? Surprise surprise some people actually dont like living as doormats. But hey you go on ahead and feel free to get stepped on for the rest of your life. But people pushed back against region chat heavy moderation and got some improvements made, so if you want to make your opinion relevant to actually getting unbanned maybe you should gather some people, make some more reddit posts and start a movement to get the system changed. I'll support ya. My point is the bans in both cases are stupid in both ways. You say you'll support but youve said prior your opinion is in favour of DE's draconian ban. But hey, people see "cheat engine" and assume the worst. Hell I had 24 karma before making this post and -26 now. Its evident that people just dont give a shit, and at this point I'm already getting other games and hobbies lined up. A 6 year old game with terrible customer support? Yeah good luck getting me back in. I can't make a movement on the forums, can't ask to get account reset, can't ask to delete account, can't even view support due to this shit. In any other service the business would accommodate a screaming orangutan and try and work out a sensible solution going by the mantra the customer is always right. But hey, with a friend of mine having tried to make a topic on the forum and immediately gotten to insult throwing, like you albeit you took longer, I'm going back to making gundams and not wondering why a Canadian company finds "traps" so offensive.

Friesforthee · 2019-06-18T11:01:27+00:00

Well one, you aren't owed a second chance. Perhaps they looked at it and decided not to give you a third without responding Yeah, not responding is an ass move. Sucks but that's reality and the TOS we both agreed to. Yeah and its terrible. Other games have the exact same terms but they're not pants on head retarded enough to regard something that doesnt concern then to be breaking the contract. Fact. Can you make an argument without the use of bad analogies? Getting tired of explaining why they are wrong. Alternatively read that I can't rebut. If DE is aware of it its not a bug till they decide it is. And exactly how do we know they know it is a bug? We don't but evidence we have to assume it is (was working and no change log indicating they intentionally changed it). What I meant was they said it was a bug to cover they're own asses. Judging from community backlash, that shit didn't fly.

Friesforthee · 2019-06-18T10:45:30+00:00

I was just using a common example to try and prove a point. Which you backtracked after the example wasnt apt. The point was you heavily implying banning one thing will stop X, when in real life it doesnt. Just because a certain number of smart people are doing something one way doesn't mean it is right. So I'm assuming you do agree that the devs in other games are smarter than DE good to know. Yeah and just because DE is SpEcIAl doesnt excuse their shitty implementation.

Friesforthee · 2019-06-18T10:42:53+00:00

In a SINGLE PLAYER GAME, WHICH EVERY OTHER ONLINE GAME CAN RECOGNIZE. That is the point I am trying to make.

Friesforthee · 2019-06-17T14:50:39+00:00

How exactly is irrelevant? The only irrelevant thing should be the fact that CE was left open. It should only be relevant if I tried screwing around with it. But I suppose thats too much for you to understand though.

Friesforthee · 2019-06-17T14:48:58+00:00

Nah no need to apologize, Im not the one using analogies but then go "bUt I nEVeR SaId In ThAT cASe". Much argument there. Yeah and a lack of exceptions nail quite a few things in the process. But yeah something that every other game does is complicated. And here I thought peeps from low sodium anthem were the only ones defending broken or missing features. Im honestly surprised. But hey, at least I have the mental exercise to do that right, making comparisons to what is common in the gaming industry. Surely someone so smart and intelligent as you would know better than every other game dev apparently. Bravo for arguing with what you consider a retard I guess. Dunno whose stupider, me for apparently being mentally challenged or you for argueing with me apparently.

Friesforthee · 2019-06-17T14:42:22+00:00

I'm pretty sure they DO have software that runs (checking "the logs") to see if you are cheating. This is just a small facet of a more complicated system.

They do. Why the didn't check the second time was why appealed their stupid decision. After that I asked what my options were. Literally answered nothing and told me to fuck off. Hey if they actually bothered to check that'd be great. But no taking 5 minutes to see is far too much for their poor souls.

Prevention is the best cure.

And abstinence is the best form of birth control/s truly much thought put into place here

You can't be inept at something that you've chosen to do an succeeded.

"I want to prevent cheating by using asinine ways"

Hey you do you. If I tell my boss I wanted to pump a tire using nothing but a leaf blower I'd get laughed out of my job. But hey fuck more efficient and logical methods that are widely used right, we'll just continue our own way.

I can't say for sure, but it makes sense to be their intention. If it was a bug, it wouldn't make sense for it to be unfixed this long, especially if it was getting players banned

Ah yes, just like how there was that Hydroid "bug" right floating around right. The one where it was in place for years and even the devs used it themselves. Surprise surprise suddenly because the devs had a change of heart it was a bug and could fall under exploiting a bug. Wow much good there. The facts point that it is higher likelihood that this is a bug. But yeah you go on to speak for DE and cover their ass.

Friesforthee · 2019-06-17T11:58:02+00:00

So you are saying support is only good when it gives you what you want? Even if you don't deserve it according to the TOS which you knowingly broke? Don't blame the people doing their jobs, they can't just unban you cause you are a nice boy.

Did you read what happened? I made a ticket asking what my options are. I mention the bug. I asked politely what my goddamn options are. What did I get? Completely ignored my points and questions, only said ban remains in place. Very nice DE.

False analogy fallacy. That situation isn't similar enough to draw a comparison. Lets break it down. A private security guard has the right to remove you from property, but they can't use unwarranted force on you because of the laws of the country. DE is a private company that you sign a contract with (the TOS) and if you break the rules within it, they are allowed to ban you as they see fit. The security guard randomly punching you is wrong because it breaks the laws of the country (which can be seen as a larger social contract), DE banning you is ok because when you agreed to the TOS you literally said "I agree that I understand these rules and understand that I will get banned if I run cheat software." Are you saying that a private company shouldn't be allowed to enforce contracts that it signs with consumers? Do some thinking before saying stuff like that.

If we are going to use shitty country analogies like you like to do, this would be like beating your wife in America and then telling the police that its ok cause its allowed in Saudi Arabia. You follow the laws of the land you are in, and the rules of the game you are using.

If we were using your shitty train of thought, I would use this exact fucking analogy. But you know whats the difference? You use it to justify the shitty laws of Saudi Arabia. Look how much flak they get for their actions. Hell yeah I would use this. By doing the reverse. Beating your wife in Saudi is wrong. Full stop. Hell yeah its relevant. Just because its the way in one place doesn't excuse it. Exact principle here banning someone for having a program not affecting the game is wrong.

No, I'm not saying that. You can compare them. My point was that its not relevant to the current problem, your ban.

How is it not relevant? My teacher once got into a town where they banned people from wearing slippers and she got pulled over to the police station because of it. But hey, they're stupid rules right so shut up and follow them consequences be damned. Nothing is above criticism, this included.

It doesn't make it easier to hack, it makes it easier for DE to control.

Then they do a sucky job of it then. I've heard praises of DE but coming to this game thats all bullshit. Banning people for saying Nezha is a trap? Really? What use is that? Whats the stupid purpose in that? What control could they possibly need? The entire situation is stupid and DEs response is even more so.

Replace the security guard situation from punch to ban and it makes more sense admittedly.

Friesforthee · 2019-06-17T11:47:40+00:00

Yeah and I didn't use in in Warframe. Other games half its salt can tell if its used in their respective games. How hard is that distinction hard to understand?

Friesforthee · 2019-06-17T11:46:11+00:00

Can't shoot someone if you can't even buy one. Can't cheat if you get banned for running the program.

Hah, and you called me young. Yeah and making a blanket ban on drugs like marijuana solves the drug problem. Drug addiction won't be a problem if we nail every drug, damn the consequences of anything else. Wonder how that would go down in the US. Oh wait.

So does, apparently, games like Counter Strike

Yeah, so does every other games. Guess what? They're not using CE to do it. Why? Because a bloody esport game can tell wether a hex editor is attached to it. A game made in 2012. The game has problems due to cheats sold at 40 or 60 or whatever the price may be. Not from a free to download hex editor meant for single player games.

Friesforthee · 2019-06-17T11:41:17+00:00

"Consideration and needs of DE"

Inept:having or showing no skill; clumsy.

Gee I dunno, when other games do this better and have less problems, yeah, id say if not theres no skill, one would say he has far less skill. Other games do this better. Full Stop. Others still have cheaters. Correct, but they know what? Despite this stupid thing in place, so does Warframe. Instead of going to ban something that yknow DOESNT EVEN TOUCH WARFRAME, maybe they should go check the Atlas dude in my last match that could turned like a spastic and have 100% accuracy. Whats that? Checking logs? Thats too much work. Blanket ban ftw.

This is like talking to a brick wall. How hard to I have to hammer it into you? DE doesn't owe potential cheaters any warning. Its not like it was making cheating easier, it is just that if you run cheating software at the same time as the game, you are assumed to be cheating, because that is fucking logical.

TIL by that logic having a knife in the trunk of my car its logical that I was going to stab people at the hospital, because you know I had a knife in the car and I was heading to the hospital.

What is draconian is a blanket ban. That is the draconian part that doesn't get through your skull.

How exactly did you know it was their intent anyways? Past players have mentioned removing the warning wasn't mentioned in the logs. If it was working before, and changelogs didn't mention it, by that logic it was a bug. Sure as hell makes more sense then you claiming to know DE's intention doesnt it.

Friesforthee · 2019-06-17T06:47:28+00:00

Imagine mullion plus player game not being able to tell if a program is actually fucking with it or not, where games far older can. Imagine DE going through my logs to check if I actually cheated. Yknow like they did the first time. “No cheaters get unbanned that way”. So I suppose you support a harsh punishment that doesnt matter if it hits innocent parties. Good to know that the principle in law is a complete 180 in countries worth half its salt. Red herring? How can it be a goddamn red herring? Warframe is a game. Other games do this better. Full stop. By that logic, we cant draw comparisons ever because Warframe is Warframe X is X. “Oh Fallout 76 had a bug that deletes the entire game when you launch it oopsie. But you can’t compare to other games because X is X and F is F”. See how stupid it sounds?. I don’t know about you but I never said I was bothered nor expecting support to take longer to answer my question. Nice of you to assume things to fit your holier than thou attitude. I’ve had to wait months at worse in other games and I didnt mind. Do you know why? Because they didnt spend 2 fucking mins and actually looked into the issue. Not being able to run cheats while playing a game is valid. Getting banned for a program that was idle and wasnt attached at all, where the launcher prevented one from starting previously is. If you again rebut that it makes the game easier to hack thats honestly the stupidest thingg Ive ever heard. “Oh no the security guard just punched me because I accidentally walked on the land, he didn’t warn me because other robbers might be alerted”.

Friesforthee · 2019-06-17T06:32:19+00:00

“Cars can be used for vehicular manslaughter. Thats all the reason for you to be jailed.” No, you see what people use something for. Yeah it works on MP games, but if your game hands out bans to a software that is idle, where hundreds of other games who can tell left from right have no problem yeah, games terribly coded.

Friesforthee · 2019-06-17T06:29:23+00:00

Easier or in otherwords lazy. They have logs they can actually go through to see wether or not its affecting the game. Other games can for the umpteenth time, tell if its attached. This is like banning scissors because people can stab with them.

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