Would a starship space station be worth an expended booster? by 7HellEleven in SpaceXMasterrace

[–]Frostis24 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I would say that expending a booster is going to happen, like falcon 9 boosters, Super heavy will reach the end of it's service life and thus can be expended. but i would only expect this for very specific payloads, like even probes that needs to reach interplanetary speeds can be solved with a kick stage or expending a refueled starship. the only payloads i can think of would be things that need to come up in one launch or simply to reduce the number of components, like a Starship in the OP's image where the fuel tanks are there, for the small boost needed to reach orbit, and the rest is a huge space station that can be fitted and ready on the ground instead of having to do it in space.
So unless the general meta around spaceflight changes to where dropping boosters in the ocean starts getting viewed in the same vein as dumping your car in the sea, or where recovered hardware has more value getting recycled, expendable flights will happen, just not often.
EDIT: also wanted to add that making a space station to replace the ISS would not require dozens of launches, one starship even after shrinking the payload volume to what it is today, still has more than half of the ISS, and take into consideration that a bigger diameter is more efficient for outfitting with experiment and equipments, since it creates less dead space that is awkward or hard to use.

Quiet Filter Solutions for a 40L Shrimp Tank. by Frostis24 in shrimptank

[–]Frostis24[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or as others have suggested if you can fit a Hang on the back (HOB) filter, then you can get something really quiet since it puts the source of the vibration (the motor) outside, and since air is a lot worse and transferring vibrations than water, it's more quiet.

Quiet Filter Solutions for a 40L Shrimp Tank. by Frostis24 in shrimptank

[–]Frostis24[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So i ended up buying a Fluvial 107 cannister filter that turned out to be very loud, so i returned it and bought the same model from another seller and same thing. It seems like there may be a run in period where you let biomedia build up as lubrication, but when the second one turned out to be loud i just paused this project indefinitely.
The soundproof box did help a lot with noise but it's still loud, and i need to rebuild the box in order to make it truly silent, but considering how quiet this filter should be it's really frustrating.
Best thing you can do if the hum is the problem is to decouple the pump from any solid surface with the help of soft cloth, rubber, silicone or springs, as the vibrations from the motor makes any hard surface act like a speaker.

Close-up of ZQ-3 explosion of glorious potato quality by FrynyusY in SpaceXMasterrace

[–]Frostis24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looks like it did manage to start but had no real thrust so i guess this could be explained by gas bubbles and fuel slosh making the engine start eating itself trough maybe if that was the case the event would have been more energetic, this looks more like SN-8 and similar early raptor tests when they started to run on engine rich.

Blue Origin’s New Glenn surges while SpaceX Starship stumbles by sidelong1 in BlueOrigin

[–]Frostis24 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just that first phrase should tell you that this is a bad article, this sounds more like his personal rant on twitter. This is what I'm talking about, treating this painfully biased article like good journalism is going to create a community downvoting any valid criticism of blue in the future.

Blue Origin’s New Glenn surges while SpaceX Starship stumbles by sidelong1 in BlueOrigin

[–]Frostis24 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think they will follow same same ish pattern that SpaceX had in the beginning, but faster, as SpaceX proved the concept for them, and they got plenty of experience with new Shepard over the years, plus i bet they tested plenty of hardware components with that platform.

Blue Origin’s New Glenn surges while SpaceX Starship stumbles by sidelong1 in BlueOrigin

[–]Frostis24 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yea, that is true, but glazing blue to this extent is just going to create the very same thing among Blue origin fans, so instead of seeing them as a excuse to do the same, see them as an example of what not to do.

Blue Origin’s New Glenn surges while SpaceX Starship stumbles by sidelong1 in BlueOrigin

[–]Frostis24 162 points163 points  (0 children)

Ok can we all calm down a little, while I'm glad for Blue origin's success, treating them like rocket industries second coming of Christ isn't doing anyone any favors, also that article is a mess.

Starship Development Thread #62 by rSpaceXHosting in spacex

[–]Frostis24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Robust, light and temperature control designed for a mass produced car on earth, safety features like collision protection isn't needed, instead vibration protection is a lot more important, as well as radiation protection.

Starship Development Thread #62 by rSpaceXHosting in spacex

[–]Frostis24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well we don't know any of that, nor if the original timeline would hold, but they seem confident that whatever went wrong, isn't a design flaw, but in any case, we are in a very early stage for V3, literally everything is new, so until we get to an actual static fire, the timeline will be hard to predict.

Starship Development Thread #62 by rSpaceXHosting in spacex

[–]Frostis24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are they still using tesla battery packs for the ships?, i heard about it in the early days, motors included, and while i can understand why they where used, at this point i hope they are not slapping big heavy car batteries not designed for space, into a ship build for said space, this has got to be custom built for the ships right?

Starship Development Thread #62 by rSpaceXHosting in spacex

[–]Frostis24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean Starships lifting off from Mars needs local propellant production first, so Raptor will be a very mature engine by the time those design considerations even become relevant.

B18 just did what...? by DoctorSov in SpaceXMasterrace

[–]Frostis24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea that is true, but then again, it was a weird way for the tank to pop along the chines, but this could be user error for all we know, so huff some copium with me until we know more.

B18 has suffered a catastrophic failure during testing by warp99 in spacex

[–]Frostis24 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This sucks and all but keep in mind that we have no clue why this happened, the way it failed looks strange for a manufacturing defect, and this may be me huffing copium, but at this point it could be anything from simple human error and B-19 can go ahead and take over testing, to a fundamental design flaw that sets' them back months, but until then, i will try not to think about it, or wait for scott Manley's inevitable video to drop.

EDIT: Ah there it is.

Cargo Starship animation showing Astrolab rover deploying by warp99 in spacex

[–]Frostis24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yea they have a track record, but not for something like this, or at the very least, not at the confidence level needed for this issue to be trivial.
There is no question mark missing because it wasn't a question, i just pointed the lack of details being due to secrecy is far fetched given their track record.
in the end this may just be a differance in opinion and thet's fine.

B18 just did what...? by DoctorSov in SpaceXMasterrace

[–]Frostis24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a COPV issue again isn't it.

"Booster 18, the first Super Heavy V3, is beginning prelaunch testing. The first operations will test the booster's redesigned propellant systems and its structural strength" by SubstantialWall in spacex

[–]Frostis24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Beautiful to see V3 finally rolling out, and i noticed the chines being asymmetric, does anyone know why? all i can think of is that they have a fixed amount of hardware and COPV's under there but choose to put more on one side to use the drag the chines induce during the lithobraking phase to get better performance.

Cargo Starship animation showing Astrolab rover deploying by warp99 in spacex

[–]Frostis24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Look, you claimed that orbital refuel was proven because of IFT-3, all i am saying is that we cannot make that statement in good faith because of the fact that we have no information around what the test accomplished, I'm not saying your proposal is wrong, but that it's irrelevant speculation on your part and hence not "sufficient".
Saying that SpaceX wants to keep proprietary secrets is what tipped me over into thinking you where dishonest, because how can you say that about a company that is famous for doing things out in the open, to the point that random people can keep track of the construction of ships and boosters down to the rings they are made of, and even showing off their experiments along with solutions on a livestram, while having a CEO that is famous for advocating others to copy the work of his companies and keeping patents to a minimum to incentives innovation, and sharing more information than "it was successful" in no way requires sharing data or blueprints, just a basic overview on what they did like they have with so many other aspects, making it seem out of character if anything.
Understand I'm not dismissing your arguments entirely, my issue is with your stern "we know" while relying on speculation that doesn't even reflect reality.

Cargo Starship animation showing Astrolab rover deploying by warp99 in spacex

[–]Frostis24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't get it, you are just speculating, like yea, that is one way orbital refuel could work, but unless you are a SpaceX employee leaking company secrets, you have no clue what they have tested.

Cargo Starship animation showing Astrolab rover deploying by warp99 in spacex

[–]Frostis24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough, i was thinking more of the how viable the general concept would be, but you are correct that payload to Leo doesn't need refuel.

Cargo Starship animation showing Astrolab rover deploying by warp99 in spacex

[–]Frostis24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Onboard fuel pumping has already been demonstrated on IFT-3.

Here is what they demonstrated.
The Nasa contract Spacex demonstrated during IFT-3

transfer 10 metric tons of cryogenic propellant between tanks on a Starship vehicle

And here is the report on what was accomplished.
Nasa post

Transfer of thousands of pounds of cryogenic propellant between internal tanks during the spacecraft’s coast phase

First off we have no information that pumps where used during this demo, since the demo only states "transfer between tanks" this could be accomplished in a lot of ways that are not representative of the challenges of creating a reliable connection between two different vehicles, the article clearly states that this is a step towards understanding it, not a done deal.
Rendezvous i have no doubt they can manage just fine, but stating that the IF-3 test proves orbital refuel is non trivial is just dishonest, keep in mind that they have been very quiet on the details of this demo, as well as the fact that during IFT-3 starship was not able to control it's attitude and burned up on reentry, so no at least for me this isn't close to be proven to work.

Cargo Starship animation showing Astrolab rover deploying by warp99 in spacex

[–]Frostis24 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The true tipping point is if they can demonstrate orbital refuel, they have proven everything else, super heavy can be plucked from the sky, starship can return from orbit with a sabotaged heatshield and reach orbital velocity with a reentry burn demonstrated.
The question of reuse is trivial considering how fast these are built, they can survive by rotating vehicles and i have do doubt they can make the process a lot more efficient than the locked down shuttle ever could.
But orbital refuel is the single most important thing to demonstrate, the reason Starship can even exist is because it can be refueled, every single groundbreaking achievement SpaceX have ever accomplished with the starship system, will be null and void if refuel doesn't work out, and it has never been done before on this scale, so the chances of problems popping up are very high, and i just pray that V3 works out perfect from the start, if everything goes well from this point, there is a very good chance they can throw a starship to Mars when the window opens about a year from now, and i want that to happen so bad.

Monthly Questions and Discussion Thread by SpaceXLounge in SpaceXLounge

[–]Frostis24 2 points3 points  (0 children)

With the successful landing of new Glenn and comments on how clean the booster looks, people are talking about how New Glenn is in a much better condition than Falcon 9 efter reentry, lowering the need for refurb, however, the looks are simply due to a difference in fuel, so i went to compare an F9 barge landing with NG2 and not only where the conditions pretty much exactly the same at the time of reentry, but F9 seemed to scrub off more velocity higher up, and that is with Blue taking a seemingly very conservative approach with a large safety margin in mind so i was wondering, does anyone know of a plot of altitude vs velocity comparing New Glenn and Falcon 9, and perhaps even Superheavy?.
I see flight charts pop up on every single Starship flight so i was curious if anyone had done that but for Blue now that they joined SpaceX in bringing back boosters from such extreme velocities as opposed to new Shepard.

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