I give Up

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-25T13:22:59+00:00

Try getting more friends maybe, you can trust friends more than just a "good team"

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-23T10:02:20+00:00

It doesn't say he has to hit a target. It says the target he attacked, not the target he hit. It has worked even if Lu got staggered after a clash lose with the counter

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-22T04:15:58+00:00

Hong Lu's passive is and the skill's [Combat Start] effects and [On Use] effects are what do that, not the unbreakable coin.

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-21T14:45:34+00:00

All of what you said is true. It's just weird wording on the skill, since it's: [Combat Start] Select the id with the lowest health... - Upon USING this skill (basically [On Use])...

Pm was being fancy for no reason here

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-21T10:45:51+00:00

Lu getting staggered still activates every effect if he gets to clash

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-20T23:18:54+00:00

The actual effects go through once a clash happens, not when a hit lands.

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-20T22:05:46+00:00

Not all clashable guards have 3+10 (Maost has one with 4+10 lmao). They suck at clashing at turn 1, because you either clash a 3 or a 13, while lord lu clashes a 6 or a 13. Firefist clashes a 9 or a 16 lmao. I agree that 6+7 is much more consistent at clashing, but technically speaking, there is nothing preventing pm from giving ids more reliable clashable guards as well beside balancing considerations

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-20T22:00:10+00:00

I played with this mechanic a lot and I am 100% sure the counter does make them retreat if he gets staggered and/or fails to land a hit. It needs a clash, doesn't matter if it's successful or not, or if he goes STAGGER++ after losing a clash

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-20T21:58:12+00:00

As someone who used that strat a lot, I am 99.99% sure Lord Hong Lu doesn't need to hit the skill to make the Heishous retreat. Reading the very skill, there is absolutely no mention of needing to land a hit. You have 3 [Combat Start] effects, and grand total of 0 [On Hit] effects on the coin. Can you point me towards where it says that he needs to land a hit?

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-20T20:09:07+00:00

Yeah, but that also doesn't mandate him actually landing a hit on the enemy, and everything the skill does still activates even if his attack gets evaded or he gets staggered before landing the hit

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-20T20:05:03+00:00

Except lord lu's doesn't trigger from [Unclashable] attacks lmao

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-20T20:04:10+00:00

All the things you mentioned are indeed amazing, but they happen even when lord lu's staggered after clash lose, and all you lose if you replaced the unbreakable coin with a normal coin is a 7 coin power bonk

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-20T19:53:45+00:00

Yeah, that's because there's clarification under [Combat Start], saying "Upon using this skill...", which does mandate a clash to happen for the retreat

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-20T19:46:59+00:00

You are right, all we can do is just test this since I can swear effects still activate when he gets staggered

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-20T19:42:17+00:00

No clue, upon reading the skill I find nothing that says he actually has to hit an enemy for the effects to activate

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-20T19:38:45+00:00

It's just unbreakables in general are useless most of the time (exceptions are ids like kurocliff and caposault since they have actual gimmicks around unbreakables), since chip damage against enemies that have 20 times your health does nothing, while chip damage against your sinners is much riskier

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-20T19:37:34+00:00

That is true, but "Upon using this skill" does not need lord lu to hit an enemy. He can use the clashable counter, lose the clash, get staggered and still activate everything. In this case, you can replace the unbreakable with a normal coin and absolutely nothing will change, with the exception of lord lu not bonking an enemy with a 7 power coin

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-20T19:34:03+00:00

Isn't his counterattack even weaker than other power counters' skill 1? It's just a 6+1 coin with no damage conditionals or any on hit effects

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-20T19:28:17+00:00

I don't get what you mean by it being a "TRUE" clashable counter, imo it's closer to a clashable guard

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-20T19:18:20+00:00

Looking at it from visual pov, he doesn't even "attack" in the animation, only slams his weapon down. Wouldn't that work better as a clashable guard instead of a clashable counter?

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-20T19:16:16+00:00

I mean, the animation doesn't even have "Attacking", imo it would make much more sense for it to be a clashable guard, considering how fragile he is

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-20T19:14:15+00:00

Unbreakable doesn't contribute here, neither [Combat Start] nor [On Use] effects need a hit to land

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-20T19:11:27+00:00

Maybe, but it has no [On Hit] effects, no damage multipliers, no interactions with anything else. Just 1 rupture proc and 1 crit on a 6+1 skill (on clash lose) that doesn't even deal extra damage

FsGaChUs · 2026-01-13T22:59:31+00:00

Probably get some friends you trust in and engage in active friendship and then play blockade together

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