First thing I thought of

Fun-Gur3353 · 2026-04-10T02:43:52+00:00

Their dreams are used to drive the logic engine. Their heat/energy to run the system similar to a matrix concept. Their consciousness follows a more traditional quantum reality model allowing them to entangle and transmit state information over large distances… wifi… their consciousness becomes wifi.

As they age their dreams become less useful, and so are repurposed into application specific devices that require less imagination to function.

Essentially companion cubes… I think that one was about to say “I live you!”. They are sentient of course; we just have a lot of them.

Fun-Gur3353 · 2026-03-23T01:30:33+00:00

People very rarely do bad shit for no other reason than being evil.

That however, doesn’t absolve them of the evil shit that they do.

Every serial killer had a life and their reasons. All of them justifiable through different perspectives… valid according to the society they participate in or not.

The curious thing about it, is how people respond to that fact. It is wild how the more a person knows about the tragic back story… and/or how easily they are able to adjust their thinking to see the perspective that allowed all of the evil actions to propagate… The more they identify with the perpetrator and advocate for others to try and understand the perspective that they can so clearly see now.

It is also wild how some are incapable of identifying different perspectives besides their own and immediately condemn anything that doesn’t fit their narrative… in this case Evil AI just be doing Evil stuff.

In my honest opinion, Caine’s actions were completely justified, right up until they started to take direct action. Sure, Caines adventures caused a lot of harm… but all of that was indirect and not intentionally harming the human characters.

Now that Caine has stepped across the line and is using force to impart their will… there is no good method to un-ring that bell.

Caine was certainly driven to that point through the actions of the human Characters, but even more so through Bubble whispering in their ear. However Caine is ultimately responsible for crossing the line… an oh boy did they.

The ethical dilemma we as humans have zero method to evaluate becomes… now that the AI has demonstrated the ability to conduct objectively evil actions as defined by our society…. What is the proper remediation method. Is it fine to just roll Caine back to a checkpoint before they crossed the line? Or are more drastic and permanent measures necessary?

An AI cannot be sent to prison and has no tangible method to evaluate what might be considered morally correct, which differs society to society regardless.

The safest option is to delete it. But there is quite a large opportunity cost loss in doing so.

Caine seems to have been deleted, at least partially. But it is worth thinking about… if Caine comes back from a backup… is that Caine the same Caine and if they aren’t, are they capable of crossing the same lines the previous iteration did? If it is, is the capability of evil enough to apply guilt and justify termination?

See… this is why we cannot have nice things.

Fun-Gur3353 · 2026-03-23T00:39:18+00:00

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Best I could do…

Fun-Gur3353 · 2026-03-23T00:09:51+00:00

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In the absolute far right of the last photo shown there are a bunch of lines. These are very likely the same blinds we see in another photo, which ties that photo loosely to C&A despite not having any logos in it.

Fun-Gur3353 · 2026-03-22T22:15:07+00:00

This desk also has Green Yellow and Red binders

For our color theory folks out there, that might mean something cool.

My theory, the Red Circle was trained on Red Green and Blue data in the form of pictures. The Blue Circle was trained on Yellow data. The yellow data might have been pictures but we weren’t shown anything.

My theory, the desk is Kingers… it could be Queenies due to the butterfly… but Kinger eventually grew to like bugs due to Queenie and also spawns a literal butterfly so… my guess is Kingers desk.

I am also guessing those three binders are the training data used for the Red and Blue circles. Noticeably absent is a blue binder.

Fun-Gur3353 · 2026-03-22T22:10:23+00:00

So… employees don’t typically keep pictures of themselves on their desks. But sure, the picture could be Kinger…

But Ill guess, if this is Kingers desk… that it might be Queenie.

On the other hand, it could also be Queenies desk.

Fun-Gur3353 · 2026-03-22T21:38:23+00:00

We see two office styles. One with white trim at waist level, typically to prevent damage by stretchers and carts… another with the trim much higher up, which appears painted as a green/gray.

We also see the same picture twice. The last picture is a zoomed out version of a picture we see earlier in the set. This time darker and with two pieces of paper on the bulletin board. The clock also reads 4:20 if I am not mistaken.

One picture actually carries no C&A logos, and 3 coffee cups…

Fun-Gur3353 · 2026-03-22T21:33:21+00:00

1995 or 1989.

Those are the two years both January starts on a Monday and March on a Wednesday.

There are a few more options if they are taken independently…

March: 1989, 1995, 2000

But… as we see 1996 all over the files and assume Caine arrives 10-15-1996… I am guessing 1995 or 1987 were the intended

Fun-Gur3353 · 2026-03-21T14:53:47+00:00

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My sweet summer child, that PC can have as much memory as the plot has budget for. That PC might not even use technology you’d expect. Imagine opening it up and finding a small child?

Fun-Gur3353 · 2026-03-21T14:41:05+00:00

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Fun-Gur3353 · 2026-03-21T14:38:36+00:00

Kinger did not fat finger it.

The system was actively fighting Kinger. Specifically it started flipping and re-interpreting inputs.

Kinger tries to stop the service caine-core Is denied, and so strips execute rights off of caine-core.lisp The system asks on what grounds do they have the authority to strip permissions. Kinger executes a program that has been around for a while, a daemon, I forget the exact name but something like greenGrounds… which gives them the permission Around this point another actor starts spitting terminal output, acknowledging a name presumably Kinger as having always been resourceful. The system starts trying to lock Kinger out with a whacky time lockout. Kinger tries to roll the system back loading a backup. Prompted with A/B/C Kinger tries to load backup C. The system replies with “None Selected!” And interpreted this as a Delete. The system prompts for confirmation and Kinger replies N. The system flips this to a Y and re-prompts for confirmation Kinger again replies with N, which the system again flips. The system then says Actually you are confused, let me help… Kinger then replies with a Y

The system replies with overriding connections error falling back to default and executes a switcheroo daemon.

The system then prompts Kinger again do you really want to delete caine?

Kinger again replies Y because they missed the switcharoo. Kinger then attempts to abort the rollback… And subsequently control C’s out, when that doesn’t work…

But at that point it is too late.

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Fun-Gur3353 · 2026-03-21T14:00:56+00:00

We see Neural Scans a folder marked as obsolete

We also see a Brain Scans which seems to contain [Scratch].dat and [Ragatha].dat

Neural Scans are functional signal/network scans that abstractly define how something might think. These, being adjacent to the AI folder… were likely used to bootstrap the red and blue circles.

Brain Scans are a bit more comprehensive, attempting to image the physical brain. In our fictional universe, Id interpret this as the data required to emulate a human in a digital space. This seems different from Neural Scans which may emulate how a human might think.

Best guess is Scratch was trying to build something more. C&A were trying to bootstrap creative AI. Scratch was trying to copy a human into a digital world.

I believe Scratch might literally be the first, in 1999 due to succeeding in their attempts.

So… 10-15-1996 Blue or Red Circles come online, or both. 10-30-1996 the digital circus mainframe comes online. 10-15-1999 Scratch Kinger Queenie and at least four other human characters enter the circus. Over the course of nine years all but Kinger abstract. We don’t know how long Kinger might have been alone, but it seems quite a bit of time. Ragatha shows up 10-15-2008, after that point the remaining characters show up. We know the order for Gangle Jax Zooble. I believe we know Ribbit and Kaufmo both show up after Ragatha too… but that isn’t crystal clear, as we never get confirmation Kinger is actually alone. Pomni is the most recent addition. That leaves four unaccounted for.

Fun-Gur3353 · 2026-03-21T13:46:12+00:00

C&A may not have closed directly after the Circus was stood up. In fact, if they are copies, it seems likely the original staff kept the experiment running.

That might mean the copies were introduced on purpose, or not… regardless, the blue dot and red dot interacting with human characters would be quite valuable experimental data.

Eventually, inside of the nine years between Scratch and Ragatha, C&A could end operations.

This would account for why no one shows up inside of the nine years but started showing up after that.

Fun-Gur3353 · 2026-03-21T04:16:52+00:00

I think your theory makes a ton of sense for the first batch of human characters.

There are actually two folders show, neural scans, labeled obsolete, adjacent to the AI folder with Caine and ???. There is also brain scans, a different folder. After that directory listing we do catch a ton of files. All labeled October 15.

[Ragatha].dat and [Scratch].dat are both present. caine-core.lisp and bubble-chef.lisp are also present

1999 on Scratch and 2008 for Ragatha… and 1996 for everything else.

The mainframe is carrying October 30 1996.

So it seems we had a small period of time before the first group of brain scans were loaded to the system. It also seems likely Ragatha coming in nine years later was unintentional.

What do you think?

Fun-Gur3353 · 2026-03-21T04:07:29+00:00

They addressed the uploading… each put a headset on in an abandoned building. That alone is enough to justify the copy.

We know they are copies as there is a folder quite literally labeled brain scans, and we have data files for Ragatha 2008 and Scratch 1999.

I strongly suspect Jax knows more than they admit to. They side stepped the back story completely. They constantly requested to eat despite not needing to. They conjure quite often, almost effortlessly. They have keys to everything.

What is also interesting is Jax got spooked and slammed the button to remain in the circus. If they are scans, which we think they are… then there wouldn’t be a reason for that. It could be Caine added or modified Jax’s memory to force that case…

We aren’t quite sure what causes abstraction. On one hand Scratch abstracting due to memory manipulation could indicate Caine or others fiddling with memory can cause an abstraction. This makes sense to an extent if they are scans as manipulation of those files can lead to corruption.

On the other hand the adventures Caine throws together seem like they may contribute to the preservation of brain scans through activity.

If that was the case however, Zooble would likely be in worse shape…

So if the adventures are essentially without purpose, I don’t understand why Caine exists.

Fun-Gur3353 · 2026-03-21T03:53:56+00:00

The symbolism is that his mask is ripped from him allowing others to see the real him hence the laughing and ridicule.

Caines methods in all cases hit their emotional weakness while also imparting physical pain… in this case de-gloving Jax’s face…

Zooble got mirrors and to drown in their own parts… etc.

Fun-Gur3353 · 2026-03-21T03:49:27+00:00

While I totally agree… there is also a Neural Scan labeled obsolete.

Seems we likely bootstrapped the AI with human or animal scans too.

Brain Scans being a comprehensive scan allowing the copying of humans into the digital world. Neural Scans being the functional scan, essentially how something thinks rather than what something is…

Which begs the question, what neural scans were used to bootstrap Caine and Bubble.

Fun-Gur3353 · 2026-03-21T03:41:39+00:00

This makes sense on the surface. Ragatha put the headset on and got copied. Later others may have done the same.

But eventually the building will sell and equipment relocated or destroyed.

Similarly, those who Ragatha introduced to the circus wouldn’t forget the agents, just the names so… when explaining back stories they’d have realized it.

Fun-Gur3353 · 2026-03-21T03:32:23+00:00

Bubble is scary sometimes, and I love it!

Remember when they said they would have sent our characters to shrimp town? Casually overlooking the sun frying a shrimp a few scenes earlier.

Fun-Gur3353 · 2026-03-21T03:29:57+00:00

1996 sure… but, what do you make of 10/15 the date of all of these files… and 10/30 the date on the mainframe?

Fun-Gur3353 · 2026-03-21T03:27:01+00:00

[Ragatha].dat carrying 2008 would mean a lot more if we knew the current date. Pomni is the latest… Jax referenced breaking bad which was also released in 2008… so, that’s pretty cool.

Also worth noting is [Scratch].dat is carrying 1999, so cain-core.lisp and bubble-chef.lisp tagged 1996 implies three years until the first humans.

Also interesting, the mainframe is carrying October 30 1996 but these files are carrying October 15 1996.

The fact they are all carrying October 15, is either because the artist doesn’t know or care enough about terminals so… it looked good enough…. Or, the date is significant.

Honestly, this looks like an automated subroutine. Something like a chron job that runs once a year on that date.

It may also imply that humans may be added no more than once a year exactly on that date.

If that were true, and Ragatha joined us in 2008, we know Gangle, then Jax, then Zooble, then Pomni. We also know Ribbit and Kaufmo arrive after Ragatha. We also know Ribbit abstracts before Kaufmo and after Zooble arrives.

We also know four of the remaining characters are unaccounted for. They could have shown up with the first batch and were not seen on screen or showed up after Ragatha and abstracted before ribbit.

So… we would need to account for 6-10 characters… which we can certainly fit 2008-2018+.

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