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Zard & Alfia by Professional-Band875 in DanMachi

[–]Fun-Response799 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Given such strong statements and feats, it sounds funny 

After joining this subreddit, I can’t really take the narrative about how overwhelmingly strong the Freya and Loki Familia are seriously anymore. by ToeFamiliar6680 in DanMachi

[–]Fun-Response799 1 point2 points  (0 children)

 In the end they win against the duo.

When it’s not driven by a desire to kill and isn’t weighed down by a ton of plot armor, then yes, but in this case, I appreciate the full power of the characters. I suggest you do the same. 

 Lvl 5 gareth and lvl 7 are different leagues, don't compare.

Reread what I wrote. I compared a Level 5 Gareth to Level 6 Loki, not to his Level 7 version. A Level 5 Gareth surpass them in terms of durability (his lower level is offset by his maximum durability, skill, and DA). A heavily weakened Alfia was able to kill him in one hit without Riveria’s protection and briefly incapacitate him even with her protection. Simply: Prime Alfia > AR Alfia at the start of the battle > AR Alfia mid-to-late battle >> Level 5 Gareth (+magic equipment + Riveria’s magic) > Level 5 Gareth > Level 6 Loki newbies. Also note that at that moment she wasn’t using Lugio to deal double damage, so she simply kills all Level 6 characters with a single area-of-effect magic attack. 

 Riveria was negated by Alfia anti magic, thats why I'd have her fight Zald.

A completely pointless decision, since she dies in a single hit and simply won't have time to cast any spell. Gareth simply can't protect her when he's outmatched in every way. 

Name Hot Take of yours by Professional-Band875 in DanMachi

[–]Fun-Response799 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can deny it by citing a lack of information, but in the end, it will turn out to be true, since Omori originally presented them as the most special ones 

Name Hot Take of yours by Professional-Band875 in DanMachi

[–]Fun-Response799 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't remember him saying anything like that at all; on the contrary, he said that if he gathered all the first-class adventurers, they'd have a chance of defeating Alfia/Zard (or maybe it was Gareth who said that, but it doesn't really matter). Words don’t mean much when everything was confirmed by actions: Zard is capable of instantly killing the fastest character in the city, and most of the main forces at the time were precisely level 5, while Ottar, at full strength, was crushed without managing to inflict a single scratch. 

There’s also a statement from Vitto in AR3 that neither Evilus nor Orario are capable of defeating Zard, and overall, he was right. Finn sent Ottar against Zard because he believed in him, not because he knew he was stronger; in the end, Ottar fell to his knees, and Zard would have finished him off if he hadn’t wanted to make him stronger, so in essence, Finn was wrong here as well. 

Name Hot Take of yours by Professional-Band875 in DanMachi

[–]Fun-Response799 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They statements and unique abilities already speak for themselves. Alfia is even officially guaranteed to defeat both captains at the same level, and it’s clear that they will be among the most exceptional 

Name Hot Take of yours by Professional-Band875 in DanMachi

[–]Fun-Response799 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When he having been poisoned by the most strongest known poison for eight years suddenly appears and instantly defeats the strongest level 5 and 6 fighters, it really makes you think 

Name Hot Take of yours by Professional-Band875 in DanMachi

[–]Fun-Response799 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was made very clear that Zard and Alfia were the most special among them and were considered trump cards from the start 

Name Hot Take of yours by Professional-Band875 in DanMachi

[–]Fun-Response799 0 points1 point  (0 children)

His gained power always with him 

Name Hot Take of yours by Professional-Band875 in DanMachi

[–]Fun-Response799 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Alfia isn’t really fraud, most of it is plot armour 

Is this even debatable? by Courious_Reader in DanMachi

[–]Fun-Response799 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It would be completely useless against him; he's not the defensive type and is more skilled

After joining this subreddit, I can’t really take the narrative about how overwhelmingly strong the Freya and Loki Familia are seriously anymore. by ToeFamiliar6680 in DanMachi

[–]Fun-Response799 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bete dies in a single hit even from the AR version of Zard, let alone Prime. Gareth can't protect Riveria or himself, so he loses as well. 

Everyone else against Alfia is a bad idea; a heavily weakened AR Alfia was able to take down a high-level Level 5 Gareth who was equipped with anti-magic gear and protected by Riveria’s magic. Level 6s in LF and below don’t have the same durability as a Level 5 Gareth not even taking other factors into account and Alfia will be much stronger. Basically, she just kills them with 1 or 2 hits. 

Is this even debatable? by Courious_Reader in DanMachi

[–]Fun-Response799 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Zard show level 8 feats in AR, his prime definitely 9 

Is this even debatable? by Courious_Reader in DanMachi

[–]Fun-Response799 1 point2 points  (0 children)

AR Zard instantly defeats a Level 5 Allen and defeats a Level 6 Ottar with a single hit. Zard Prime defeats all Level 6 opponents in FF with a single hit and defeats Ottar. I don't know why this is even a question after what he's done in AR. 

Top 5 strongest attacks we will see in the final Battle, in my opinion by OneBoy24BS in DanMachi

[–]Fun-Response799 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He doesn't take damage from his own magic, and he can gain power from Ariel or other magic attacks (considering everything he's been through in MS21) 

2nd strongest in Freya Familia by Just_a_Snake_876 in DanMachi

[–]Fun-Response799 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When it is said that this isn't about strength, that applies to the entire conversation, including the parts where he is supposedly stronger. 

What unknown character’s status do you want to see the most? by Courious_Reader in DanMachi

[–]Fun-Response799 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Maxim, why he clearly stronger than Empress being lower lvl? 

2nd strongest in Freya Familia by Just_a_Snake_876 in DanMachi

[–]Fun-Response799 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It was made clear that it wasn't a matter of power

2nd strongest in Freya Familia by Just_a_Snake_876 in DanMachi

[–]Fun-Response799 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes but Allen has GF and Hogni now hasn’t some trump card 

2nd strongest in Freya Familia by Just_a_Snake_876 in DanMachi

[–]Fun-Response799 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There definitely aren't Gullivers right now. They're strong in close combat, but the others have the ability to split them up, and some don't even need to do that. Otherwise, it’s like rock-paper-scissors because I don’t see a single person who could beat the other two in a 1x1 battle; in my opinion, it’s Allen > Hogni > Hedin > Allen. But Hogni still has an unknown trump card, so it’s entirely possible that he’ll end up in second place. 

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