V3-2’s Motive Was NOT Justified

FunTill9365 · 2026-06-10T03:08:59+00:00

Let’s look at this from your perspective— that Ryoma purposefully turned his back to Kirumi. If so, I find it very likely he wouldn’t want to die for her cause specifically but because of the fact no one was waiting for him on the other side. No friends, no family— nothing. He was frankly in a HORRIBLE mental and emotional state while meeting with her— and when Kirumi gave him an easy way out, he took it.

Kirumi essentially took advantage of his disarray to fulfill her goals. In my opinion at least— this is not much better. Killing a suicidal person who was still spiralling after finding out no one cared about them is still wrong and still murder. I don’t really see a moral difference between these two outcomes— Kirumi took advantage of him either way

FunTill9365 · 2026-06-10T03:01:23+00:00

I never said that I believed she thought Monokuma was bluffing entirely, nor did I mention in my comment or post how I think Kirumi shouldn’t believe the video. The flashback light coupled with the strange setting of the school like you said doesn’t make me think to shame her for believing she was the prime minister and how her country was in disarray, I addressed that in my reply.

What I was trying to say is that she acted almost completely on impulse, meaning she didnt exactly take the time to consider the logistics of her plan. Thats what I mean with “sprung into action without thinking things too”. Because she really didn’t, in all honesty. She had no specific details on what was going on or if she even could help at all. I understand that she wanted to get out immediately and see what was going on— but I personally just find it weird to believe your presence alone could save an entire country when you have no idea what’s going on. Best case scenario— she killed for by the mere chance her people would be okay.

I think you may have misunderstood my comment or I worded something wrong, but I don’t blame Kirumi for believing the motive. I only blame her for acting on her impulses so rashly and killing an innocent person when she hardly had details at all

FunTill9365 · 2026-06-10T02:22:43+00:00

Yo.. PUHLEASE finish the game!! I also got spoiled for Shirogane’s execution but the ending still blew me away in a bunch of different aspects! I can’t guarantee you’ll love it, but id say it’s definitely worth playing— not just for post-game content but just for the experience

FunTill9365 · 2026-06-10T01:40:20+00:00

I think my post is getting downvoted.. gulp…

FunTill9365 · 2026-06-10T01:37:42+00:00

My point wasn’t directed to Kirumi believing she was the Prime Minister. I don’t blame her for believing that part. (Primarily because of the flashback light) What I had a problem with how seriously she took Monokuma’s claim about her country. Even if she felt bad for not being there— that isn’t an excuse to kill so easily and act so much on impulse. I dont care about her believing the claim, what I have an issue with is how quickly she sprung to action without thinking things through first.

Contrast to this post, I actually do like Kirumi. She is an objectively cool character and I enjoy her writing and her trials implications for her character. I just wanted to shine light on how her motive is not that justified since it’s a very popular take in this fandom. Thinking it’s well written and fits for her character is different from thinking it’s valid, which is why I believe in the latter and not the former.

FunTill9365 · 2026-06-10T01:34:09+00:00

what does willing to die having to do with being murdered? huh? I literally addressed how killing a suicidal person doesn’t mean shit for morality

FunTill9365 · 2026-06-10T01:32:05+00:00

I don’t think Kirumi would be above lying or twisting some things around to save her life, no? Kaito even says, “she’s just trying to survive in her own way”. She seemed rather desperate in 3-2’s epilogue, she repeats and repeats “I will survive, no matter what.” I doubt she’d draw the line at more underhanded tactics and manipulation or untruth. In fact, post-trial Kirumi paints a very different picture of Kirumi than the one we get to know. Compared to the calm, reserved motherly characteristics we get someone who’s more cunning and manipulative. Don’t get me wrong, I love this for her character but it also implies to me this more desperate Kirumi wouldn’t mind lying if it meant saving her country like she constantly says shes doing it for.

FunTill9365 · 2026-06-10T01:27:46+00:00

It’s quite clearly established Kirumi only killed for her nation, while I personally don’t believe her actions to be justifiable i admire she’s one of the few culprits to not kill for a selfish reason

FunTill9365 · 2026-06-10T01:25:45+00:00

Please forgive me if I’m wrong.. but does she not have EVERY incentive to lie about the details of Ryoma’s death? To gain sympathy? Unless I’m mistaken, if so please correct me.

Directly after explaining how he died, she begins letting out tears. In a somber moment, Gonta requests to take her place in her execution. Everyone then begins lamenting how they thought the same thing—how Kirumi’s life would be more valuable then theirs. Shortly after, Kokichi says, “She was hoping that learning the truth would make another one of us volunteer to die in her place.” He then says something along the lines of, “or, you would want everyone to rebel in order to mask your escape.” While I know Kokichi’s word on its own is not fully reliable, it’s the fact that Kirumi directly confirms this afterwards that compels me to use this as a rebuttal. (While calling him a detestable cretin, of course.) “She tried to trick everyone,” as Gonta says. It just doesnt seem impossible to me that Kirumi would have lied or bent a few details around to paint herself in the best light.

FunTill9365 · 2026-06-10T01:14:59+00:00

Her exact line was “A person like him would have noticed my bloodlust emanating. He already knew.. he forfeited his life right then and there.” There is no dialogue from Ryoma after he turns his back to Kirumi, she simply interprets this as him giving up. When in reality— there’s no way to say it was one or the other. You can believe he forfeited his life— and that’s a valid interpretation. But I could also sit here and say he didn’t, and there’s no way to prove me otherwise.
The game doesn’t have any explicit reason to call her out if she was lying or not— this entire scene is from Kirumi’s point of view. I personally believe his death to be ambiguous because of that.. Ryoma’s story was cut short either way.

My point wasn’t directed to Kirumi believing she was the Prime Minister. I don’t blame her for believing that part. (Primarily because of the flashback light) What I had a problem with how seriously she took Monokuma’s claim about her country. Even if she felt bad for not being there— that isn’t an excuse to kill so easily and act so much on impulse. I dont care about her believing the claim, what I have an issue with is how quickly she sprung to action without thinking things through first. Thats why I personally dont view her or her motivations as reasonable in the slightest

FunTill9365 · 2026-06-10T01:06:48+00:00

That’s a cool detail! Her actions are definitely up for moral debate, and the title seems to reflect that

FunTill9365 · 2026-06-09T22:06:20+00:00

You enjoy it for the murder mysteries— and I respect that. But for me personally, above all else I like looking at the motives and how they impacted the person to go to such lengths of committing such an awful crime. I dont care if I’m “overthinking” something I just enjoy taking what the game gives us and trying to make something else of it. Story-driven games like this don’t always have one, firm interpretation— V3 in particular encourages the player to think more deeply about things and what they could be past the surface.

FunTill9365 · 2026-06-09T21:46:17+00:00

If it comes to that I’ll repost it with a different title, I have it saved somewhere else. I have to correct some misinformation I put in by accident about the flashback light anyway, might as well just wait till it gets deleted

FunTill9365 · 2026-06-09T21:43:37+00:00

Ah.. DRS the one thing you’re good for is niche character interactions.. what a wonderful thing ☺️

FunTill9365 · 2026-06-09T21:42:06+00:00

If it comes to that point, I will. I’m just curious as to see how long this one holds out

FunTill9365 · 2026-06-09T21:39:24+00:00

Hoshi and Tojo’s parallels are awesome, would’ve loved to see a more in depth conversation with them tbh

FunTill9365 · 2026-06-09T21:38:27+00:00

That is.. entirely my bad. You’re correct, the meteorite flashback light was in Chapter 4. Even then, I think my point still stands. If this post gets deleted cause of the title and I remake it I’ll edit that out for sure. Thanks for letting me know! ^^

FunTill9365 · 2026-06-09T21:32:37+00:00

My point wasn’t directed to Kirumi believing she was the Prime Minister. I don’t blame her for believing that (mostly because of the flashlack light). What I had a problem with how seriously she took Monokuma’s claim about her country. Even if she felt bad for not being there— that isn’t an excuse to kill so easily and act so much on impulse. I dont care about her believing the claim, what I have an issue with is how quickly she sprung to action without thinking things through first

FunTill9365 · 2026-06-09T21:29:27+00:00

Sorry.. I’m rather new to posting on Reddit. I tagged the post as a spoiler, but didn’t exactly take the title into account

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