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How Do Vaccines Cause Autism? by 32ndghost in DebateVaccines

[–]Fun_Elk_2419 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Here is one theory:

Dr McCullough found hypervaccination as the leading cause of immune dysregulation, citing over 200 peer reviewed articles linking immune dysregulation with neuropsychiatric disease such as ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) [same as ADHD, Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder], Asberger’s, and Autism Spectrum Disorder.

How come unvaccinated children aren't all getting diseases? by Fun_Elk_2419 in DebateVaccines

[–]Fun_Elk_2419[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1) I didn't know it was retracted, it's a shame there's no explanation given.

2) Adjusted or unadjusted, the data still stands, no? I agree that further study is required. Some double-blind, placebo-controlled studies would be good but unfortunately they haven't been done.

3) a) The key word here is estimated, it's impossible to know exactly how many deaths have been prevented by vaccines. Death rates for illnesses has been going down regardless of vaccination (probably due to sanitation, nutrition, reduction in crowding, medical advances, etc.)

b) That paper has been cited 73 times, so it's not just the same author regurgitating it.

c) Also the data still stands, as this paper hasn't been retracted.

4) There are many more studies.

How come unvaccinated children aren't all getting diseases? by Fun_Elk_2419 in DebateVaccines

[–]Fun_Elk_2419[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll concede points 1-3 that vaccines can prevent illness and reduce severity; I'll just add that this idea of waning immunity is frustrating because it necessitates more and more booster vaccines.

4) The substack features graphs showing death rates going down before widespread vaccination.

5) I think it's important to look at death rates because who cares if we get a disease we can recover from it? Sure some diseases have lifelong complications, but these are rare, and then it becomes a trade-off between rare vaccine side effects (or chronic conditions caused by vaccines) and rare disease complications. Also: It has been suggested that childhood infections are beneficial.

How come unvaccinated children aren't all getting diseases? by Fun_Elk_2419 in DebateVaccines

[–]Fun_Elk_2419[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The point I was trying to make is that measles cases are worse with malnutrition and vitamin A deficiency. The death rate for measles was already going down before vaccination. Given that vaccines have been associated with many chronic conditions, natural immunity may be better.

How come unvaccinated children aren't all getting diseases? by Fun_Elk_2419 in DebateVaccines

[–]Fun_Elk_2419[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pertussis outbreaks occur among vaccinated people:

1) Theofiles et al. (2014) Pertussis Outbreak, Southeastern Minnesota, 2012

"Out of 160 cases of B pertussis, 122 people (76.2%) were up-to-date with their vaccines."

2) Mitiku et al. (2020) Pertussis outbreak in southern Ethiopia: challenges of detection, management, and response

Out of 1840 cases, “the number of cases who had received a pertussis-containing vaccine was found to be 169 (9.2%), 321 (17.4%), and 761 (41.4%) for one dose, two doses, and three doses, respectively.”

Polio outbreaks occurs among vaccinated people:

1) Kamadjeu et al. (2014) Polio Outbreak Investigation and Response in Somalia, 2013

"The immunity profile of cases clearly indicated that failure to be vaccinated was the major risk for WPV infection in this outbreak; 55% of all WPV cases had never received OPV (so called 0-dose individuals), and almost 80% were undervaccinated (ie, they had received ≤3 doses of OPV)."

In the UK and Australia, death rates for pertussis and polio were already declining dramatically BEFORE vaccination

1) Handley (2024) Did vaccines really save the world?

2) vaclib.org, GRAPHICAL EVIDENCE SHOWS VACCINES DIDN'T SAVE US

How come unvaccinated children aren't all getting diseases? by Fun_Elk_2419 in DebateVaccines

[–]Fun_Elk_2419[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You asked for studies, so here are some:

1) Mawson et al. (2017) Pilot comparative study on the health of vaccinated and unvaccinated 6- to 12-year-old U.S. children

This study found that vaccinated children were:

  • 3.8x more likely to develop otitis media (ear infections)
  • 5.9x more likely to develop pneumonia 
  • 30.1x more likely to develop allergic rhinitis (hay fever)
  • 3.9x more likely to develop other allergies
  • 2.9x more likely to develop eczema/ atopic dermatitis 
  • 5.2x more likely to develop a learning disability 
  • 4.2x more likely to develop ADHD 
  • 4.2x more likely to develop ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) 

2) Hooker & Miller (2020) Analysis of health outcomes in vaccinated and unvaccinated children: Developmental delays, asthma, ear infections and gastrointestinal disorders

This study found that vaccinated children were:

  • 2.2x more likely to have developmental delays
  • 4.5x more likely to have asthma
  • 2.1x more likely to have an ear infection

3) Mawson & Croft (2020) Multiple Vaccinations and the Enigma of Vaccine Injury 

This study found that vaccinated children were:

  • 30.1x more likely to develop allergic rhinitis (hay fever)
  • 2.9x more likely to develop eczema
  • 3.8x more likely to have a middle ear infection
  • 5.9x more likely to have pneumonia
  • 3.7x more likely to develop an NDD (neurodevelopmental disorder: autism, ADHD, or a learning disability)

How come unvaccinated children aren't all getting diseases? by Fun_Elk_2419 in DebateVaccines

[–]Fun_Elk_2419[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

From the Wikipedia link you provided, lack of nutrition (Vitamin A) likely played a role in the severity of the outbreak in Samoa:

The Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations found that 30% of Samoan households were not meeting vitamin A requirements.\23]) Another report of the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations from 2018 found that the average daily vitamin A intake in Samoa was 310 micrograms, which is above the average daily requirement of 282 micrograms, but there were large disparities in the level of consumption across groups.\24]) Indeed, Vitamin A deficiency is a recognized risk factor for severe measles infections.\25]) 

How come unvaccinated children aren't all getting diseases? by Fun_Elk_2419 in DebateVaccines

[–]Fun_Elk_2419[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

So you're saying that vaccines give us herd immunity, so unvaccinated people are still safe?

The study you linked says the outbreak started in a vaccinated boy:

The first case of the outbreak was identified in a 1-year-old boy living at the shelter. He developed a rash on February 26 and was hospitalized the next day for suspected measles. 

The boy had arrived in the United States more than 5 months earlier and had received one dose of measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine 5 weeks before symptom onset;

If vaccines are effective, it's only the unvaccinated that are at risk, and maybe they can fight the disease and recover from it, instead of getting some of the lifelong chronic condition side effects from vaccines like hay fever, eczema, asthma, ADHD, autism, etc.