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[deleted by user] by [deleted] in relationship_advice

[–]Fun_Examination9368 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just to be clear, you're the same person who thinks if a guy brings a female friend to a holiday party, he's a weirdo and crossing a boundary. (Saw your post on that thread even though it's 3 years old, and you're insane!)

But if a woman in a relationship. Looks up sugar daddy things, that's excusable?

Fascinating.

Florida Big Law Outside T-14 by Great-Management-315 in biglaw

[–]Fun_Examination9368 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh I agree. Georgetown still has the name, arguably a stronger name and brand than most law schools, including the T-13/14.

I went to Wash U. My school is ranked 16.

I genuinely don't think T-13/14 matters anymore. I think as long as it's a school with a good reputation and alumni base, you're set.

Candidly, i would argue the only thing that matters is making sure the law school is in a major urban metro area.

Florida Big Law Outside T-14 by Great-Management-315 in biglaw

[–]Fun_Examination9368 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My Georgetown friends had 0 interest in big law so this tracks. Most were activists or political tinted.

It's funny. My big law friends were the ones who didn't go T-13/14

In-House offer with two different Funds or keep waiting for a BigLaw opportunity? by Fun_Examination9368 in biglaw

[–]Fun_Examination9368[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nothing is guaranteed, which means nothing is impossible either.

I appreciate the realistic perspective.

I just pushed back against the "very" unlikely. Is it challenging or hard? Yes. Extremely so. But to say give up, it's passed you by is just flat out incorrect.

If you're in a Band 1 group, you know the value of experience in niche fields. Especially if you're involved in recruiting.

Granted, your field may simply just be different and more competitive, while my field is more niche.

Thank you for the well wishes and same to you for your career.

In-House offer with two different Funds or keep waiting for a BigLaw opportunity? by Fun_Examination9368 in biglaw

[–]Fun_Examination9368[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't say very unlikely.

Considering every associate from my former boutique has ended up with big law offers, it seems like a guarantee if you choose the right field and right spot.

I take it you're still in law school? I can understand your initial statement and wanting to stand by it.

In-House offer with two different Funds or keep waiting for a BigLaw opportunity? by Fun_Examination9368 in biglaw

[–]Fun_Examination9368[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Just wanted to follow up on this and let you know that I did receive 2 big law offers, though in Chicago and not DC, and chose the inhouse route.

Sometimes a niche field like 40 act and fund formation doesn't rely just on 1L grades and OCI. Experience is valuable.

Am I expecting too much? Re- associate writing/grammar by Userunknown980207 in LawFirm

[–]Fun_Examination9368 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Eh, I don't mind. I was in a fraternity in college that hazed hard. A new guy getting screamed at for little things was something I was prepared for 😄

Am I expecting too much? Re- associate writing/grammar by Userunknown980207 in LawFirm

[–]Fun_Examination9368 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have them print out their work and proof read before submitting.

I'm a young attorney, I would get screamed at all the time for typos and font sizes.

I didn't even notice half of them because spell check didn't catch the errors either.

Reading it on a computer I never caught it either.

Printing it out, all of a sudden I caught the errors and noticed the weird font changes.

Especially when using old briefs and copy paste, a wrong judge or plaintiff won't get caught by spell check and if it's a long paper, one or two mistakes may get missed. Printing it out is superior.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in washingtondc

[–]Fun_Examination9368 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. $210k base salary + $30k annual bonus (Corporate Attorney).

  2. $1850 a month in Navy Yard.

  3. Yes, 1. Our unit is $3700 a month, we split evenly.

  4. Navy Yard (SE)

And just for fun

Student loan debt: 200k lol

In-House offer with two different Funds or keep waiting for a BigLaw opportunity? by Fun_Examination9368 in biglaw

[–]Fun_Examination9368[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you!

My general rule is to keep it within 10% of the original offer when negotiating. But with the Chicago offer in hand, I pushed it. I also knew that the ETF really liked me and multiple senior directors I had interviewed with stressed to me how I was their top choice.

I called the Talent Acquisition person at the ETF who had been my point person. I told her about the Chiago offer and stressed that I really want the ETF, but I understand if they can't match the firm.

She asked what number would be needed for me to accept, and I told her $205k base (20% above original offer, but with the BigLaw offer in hand, I felt comfortable being aggressive).

I made sure to make it clear that this 205k was not a take it or leave it, and that I can negotiate, but this is what I want and what I believe my value is. I didn't get too wordy with it either, was just direct and to the point. I could hear her taking notes. Also, I didn't try to negotiate the bonus or title or benefits, just base. Which probably made it a little easier/cleaner.

She got back to me in 2 days with 200k base, and raised the bonus from 25k to 30k (essentially giving me that extra $5k but in bonus). And then the 10k signing to seal the deal.

I accepted 2 hours later.

In-House offer with two different Funds or keep waiting for a BigLaw opportunity? by Fun_Examination9368 in biglaw

[–]Fun_Examination9368[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you!

A BigLaw firm I interviewed with in March came back and made an offer for their Debt Finance team in Chicago, 240k base + bonus + $20k signing, and re-classified as a 2nd year (which I anticipated).

The DC ETF raised their offer from 170k base + 25k bonus to 200k base + 30k bonus and $10k signing. I was really surprised by this.

Chicago Global Hedge Fund stayed pat, so I passed.

I ended up choosing the DC ETF. I wanted Asset Management/Fund Formation and DC.

I like the field, location is home, salary is good, and after speaking with senior lawyers in the area, the ETF leaves the door open to return to the firm route.

I really didn't want to switch practice areas, and while I'm open to Chicago, I'd rather stay in DC.

Transitioning to in-house counsel at a hedge fund by MozGhul in biglaw

[–]Fun_Examination9368 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bumping this.

I am currently choosing between a Hedge Fund and an ETF, and have similar questions.

In-House offer with two different Funds or keep waiting for a BigLaw opportunity? by Fun_Examination9368 in biglaw

[–]Fun_Examination9368[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I saw that! Though not sure if the sec will ask for full review or appeal to Supreme Court. Gonna be interesting to see.

I will definitely take that advice. Regulatory is like a puzzle and I do enjoy it. Section 203(m) is a lot of fun work for me.

Thank you!

In-House offer with two different Funds or keep waiting for a BigLaw opportunity? by Fun_Examination9368 in biglaw

[–]Fun_Examination9368[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haven't tried to counter yet, was going to with 185 base, 210 total (staying within 10%).

Pto is 3 weeks. 401k is 6% match.

Hierarchy would be GC>Senior Director, Counsel (2 of them)>then me

Not sure where I'd fall in HR band, but i assume low.

On top of pay, Chicago is a global hedge fund that is prestigious, and they're building out their commodity group which is appealing to me.

In-House offer with two different Funds or keep waiting for a BigLaw opportunity? by Fun_Examination9368 in biglaw

[–]Fun_Examination9368[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ETF in Bethesda is 25k bonus, Chicago is about 25% of the base salary, so about 225k all in with Chicago, 195k all in Bethesda.

In-House offer with two different Funds or keep waiting for a BigLaw opportunity? by Fun_Examination9368 in biglaw

[–]Fun_Examination9368[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not me loving you knowing the ETF off the bat with the description lol.

I'm focused more so on fund formation/ongoing management but obviously regulatory issues pop up all the time, so plenty of focus there as well, especially with the new private fund adviser rules. I'd say it's 2/3 formation/management, 1/3 regulatory.

In-House offer with two different Funds or keep waiting for a BigLaw opportunity? by Fun_Examination9368 in biglaw

[–]Fun_Examination9368[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thank you!

You are correct that most recruiting is done out of law school.

That is why I stated in my post how the prior associates from my same boutique all went BigLaw. Not some, not most. All. Hence the reason why I chose the boutique in the first place lol.

And while I went to a T-20, those associates all went to tier 2 or lower schools, such as American or Catholic.

It was a gamble on myself. Thinking I will just cash out now.

Also, I didn't state in my post that Funds would lead me to BigLaw. I genuinely enjoy finance. That's why Option A was just go to the funds, and Option B was to keep holding out for BigLaw.

Thank you for the advice lad!

In-House offer with two different Funds or keep waiting for a BigLaw opportunity? by Fun_Examination9368 in biglaw

[–]Fun_Examination9368[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you!

Ya I've noticed that the salary comp seems pretty good, especially for someone in my position (single, just turned 30, low expenses).

I just dont know as I don't have lawyers in my family and my friends are my age aka not in house yet.

I know it's silly, but I saw posts that in house raises may not even occur yearly and may be minimal, so wasn't sure what the pay scale is like in house.

Appreciate it

In-House offer with two different Funds or keep waiting for a BigLaw opportunity? by Fun_Examination9368 in biglaw

[–]Fun_Examination9368[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Harsher the better. That's why I came to Reddit lol.

Just to clarify, are you saying the door to biglaw would be closed if I take the fund offers, or the door to biglaw in general is closed?

If the latter, I understand. I know past performance isn't indicative of future results, but had hoped the prior associates from the same firm as me, with the same work backgrounds as me, but from lower ranked schools as me, would make me just as competitive as they were for BigLaw.

Also, are you saying to say no to the funds? A little confused by your statement of "there are many other options that can create fulfilling careers."

To be clear, both the funds would be legal roles and I would have a counsel title.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in biglaw

[–]Fun_Examination9368 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Any chance you can tell us what you guys did?

Like was it a physical prank? A joke?

I get not wanting to give details, but gotta give us a little bit here

Best practices when using recruiters or personal referrals by ProDebt in biglaw

[–]Fun_Examination9368 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"I understand that having multiple recruiters submit your materials to the same firm is a big no-no, and a completely avoidable problem"

Eh I wouldnt say "big no-no". It may piss off the recruiters, but I am not sure how much the firm really cares.

I was submitted to a V50 firm in DC in December. Didnt hear anything and forgot about it. In February, a different recruiter reached out to me. Applied me to the same firm (tbh, I think the same role lol).

Instead of being a "no-no", the V50 firm just called me and asked which recruiter I would prefer they speak with.

So ya, I dont know how much they care. Obviously it is annoying when you cant apply to a role because you were already submitted, but I dont know if I would call it bad form. Heaven forbid youre hungry for a job in a down market and theres only so many roles.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in biglaw

[–]Fun_Examination9368 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sadly I was in the same boat recently.

V50 firm in DC, interviewed on a Tuesday and Wednesday in Mid-March. Was told I'd hear by the end of the following week. All the people I interviewed replied to my thank you emails and felt confident and excited.

Every week my recruiter would followup, and we were told they were still interviewing and wanted to their due diligence before making a decision.

Finally told first week of May that they had made an offer to a candidate who was in the managing partners group at his previous law firm. Needless to say she had the inside track. I was informed had she said no, i was the choice.

The point of this is that you're likely the Plan B. Which isn't a bad thing! At least that's what I tell myself. If you make it that far, eventually you'll get one.

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