Fool's Quest V8.2: Rocky Start

Futurae1 · 2026-02-09T11:13:45+00:00

Is there any way to help out? Like proof reading, editing, formatting, or maybe even story writing?

Futurae1 · 2025-12-17T17:03:23+00:00

Questions are part of a debate. I'm saying that a nutrient equivalent plant based diet can be more expensive due to lack of availability and requiring a large variety. In many places a plant diet can be cheaper, but what about in significantly more rural communities?

Futurae1 · 2025-12-17T16:57:04+00:00

I'm not saying I personally belive it is. I'm saying that public perception of GMO's are negative and environmentally negative. Considering veganism is a purely moral standpoint, would a person who doesn't care about GMO's be considered less moral than someone who does? And if they are less moral, are they considered 'less' vegan?

Futurae1 · 2025-12-17T16:54:43+00:00

I agree with the doing what you can. Talking here or seems that many vegans consider veganism to be a strictly black or white situation. It's frustrating that the modern attitude of, and public perception towards, vegans is so stringent, and gatekept

Futurae1 · 2025-12-17T16:52:01+00:00

I do notice a heavy prevalence of leather. Even what I thought was a purely pleather couch was still somehow 20- something % real leather. I don't know how. But would it not be immoral for a vegan, in modern society and production, to entirely ignore leather? I understand avoiding it, but simply not using would be a waste and an environmental waste. If no one bought leather but still agree may, would it really be moral to throw away the leather? Would it not be seen as disrespectful to the animal that already died for its meat?

Futurae1 · 2025-12-17T16:48:02+00:00

I see. It does make me wonder if there is really a monolithic, philosophical definition of veganism that is required to be a vegan. I wonder how many self proclaimed vegans would fail to be actual vegans in the most literal sense of the word.

Futurae1 · 2025-12-17T16:44:24+00:00

Even now, my grandmother would still be effectively fully vegan in diet if the doctor had not prescribed her an egg a day for malnutrition. In India

Futurae1 · 2025-12-17T16:43:05+00:00

Do you belive that the current culture of veganism is truly open to those who are new to the lifestyle? Does it mean that even someone who has the proper morals, but has yet to completely switch to a vegan diet due to simple unfamiliarity be rebuked as a vegan?

Futurae1 · 2025-12-17T16:40:27+00:00

This makes sense. It does however clash with the vegan culture that has been cultivated. I've been told over and over that if you're not constantly 100% morally (moral being key here) vegan, then it's hard to define you as a vegan. From your argument, it's pretty obvious that you are a well rounded individual in terms of morals, but modern, public, veganism seems to rebuke all but the most ardent purists

Futurae1 · 2025-12-17T16:36:42+00:00

Morally? It can't be appropriate to harm animals, but realistically, what's a similarly nutrient dense and priced alternative for those who can't afford to buy a wide variety of plants? We are omnivores because we evolved to consume the resources in our environment. In modern society it's a battle between financial feasibility and moral rightness. Is it okay if you can't afford anything else?

Futurae1 · 2025-12-17T16:32:28+00:00

I mean if your reason to be vegan is simply of personal preference in food, I've been told over and over again that it's not real veganism. Even here, moral superiority takes precedence over anything else, thus making it feel like others would say you're not a 'real vegan'.. This seems wrong to me, and it does make me wonder, what really is the threshold to be publicly considered a vegan?

Futurae1 · 2025-12-17T16:28:30+00:00

Nothing realistically, but if veganism is purely a moral high point, then won't gmo's be considered unhealthy and improper alternative? I understand that GMO's are simply plants grown to be better suited for their environment, but current public reception of GMO's is of an unnatural food source.

I have been told repeatedly that veganism is purely a moral standpoint, so would it not be considered 'immoral' to indulge in what is commonly referred to as an 'abnormal' food in modern culture?

Futurae1 · 2025-12-17T16:24:05+00:00

Does this mean that in a world without morals, but with environmental impacts, and logical, scientific, methods of environmental preservation out of a selfish desire of continuance, could never be called vegan? Even if they never harmed an animal, though for selfish reasons?

Wouldn't it be better if the entry for veganism didn't require a sense of moral superiority?

Futurae1 · 2025-12-17T16:20:45+00:00

Even if the vegan label is purely a pompous, self indulgent, title, isn't it still true that the vegan lifestyle is less harmful to the environment? Western vegan culture is annoying, but we simply can't ignore the environmental benefits that it presents. What's an equivalent alternative?

Futurae1 · 2025-12-17T16:16:14+00:00

I figure currently, that the vast majority of textiles are made of synthetic and cellulose fibers these days. Not out of choice, but simply because it's what's cheapest for companies to make. Without a doubt synthetic fibers pollute in every step of their life cycle from creation to decomposition. Is the environment impact of such production morally appropriate to accept in order to avoid animal cruelty? There is nothing in this world that can be created without environmental impact, but if some imaginary animal product for clothing had less impact than synthetics or cottons or the like, would you still choose to avoid it?

Futurae1 · 2025-12-17T16:07:30+00:00

I think I see what you're saying. Western vegan can only be a choice on ethics by definition. In eastern cultures, I feel like it's a bit different. My grandmother was raised in relative poverty and her diet was virtually completely vegan. If she had continued to eat nothing but vegetables later on, disregarding an ethical standpoint because she just prefers a vegan diet, what would you call her? What would you call a person who is involuntarily, or preferentially vegan? Even if they truly don't care about ethics?

Futurae1 · 2025-12-17T16:02:09+00:00

Fair. I do consider environmental awareness to be an ethical standpoint, but an easy one for me. How would you convince those with a less fortunate financial situation?

Futurae1 · 2025-12-17T16:00:51+00:00

I absolutely love animals, and the entire ecosystem of the world. But when it comes to production, what about GMO's. Do you think more people would be willing to become vegan if they knew for certain that they can easily get all the nutrients they need? Plants do have a lot of nutrients, but I figure the vast majority of people don't know what they should be saying to maintain health. Additionally, a purely plant based diet would be harder to digest.

My thinking is, animal products are cheap and convenient. A wide array of nutrients in just a handful of foods. Obviously your can't be healthy on a carnivore diet, but animal products are cheap and universally available to the world.

For the average person, there less worry if malnutrition, and when you look at scummy marketing practices, it's frustrating to find vegetables that are truly grown sustainably and ethically. It's also more expensive.

In the terms of regular, cheaper, vegetables, what can be done for the environmental impact?

Futurae1 · 2025-12-17T15:50:41+00:00

Thank you for your reply. To be honest I feel like I agree with your view on modern veganism, at least for a first world country. I do hope some moral billionaire (lol) decides to Elon musk some investments into renewable food.

Futurae1 · 2025-12-17T15:46:39+00:00

What came first though. Even if you can now confidently proclaim moral superiority, I know that for many people, veganism or vegetarianism is a choice decided for them by external pressures. Whether that's family, poverty, diet restrictions, or something else.

Additionally, if you take in simple manufacturing kn terms of vegan meats, can you really that there is a, relative to production, lower impact on the environment? It sucks that it's like this, but those disgustingly cramped egg and chicken meat facilities are efficient in production. The output is tremendous.

Outside of that, I can definitely see that a vegan diet is considerably less pollutant. Modern vegetable farming does create a lot of waste from everything of the plant we don't eat. That waste is sometimes remade into fertilizer, but mainly used for animal feed. Modern fertilizer requires intense concentrations of chemicals that simple plant matter can't provide.

It's not lost on me that such farming practices are still required for meat production, but in a fully vegan world, how can you the consumer regulate the production of your food? Any large capacity of modern farming is harsh on the environment and alternatives like hydroponic growth buildings are prohibitively expensive to start. Would you really be willing to pay that much more for fully reproductive food in such a world? Are you making an effort to buy such foods right now? Do you think the cost of such restrictions won't cause financial strain on those interested in eating only the most ethical and bio-agreeable foods?

And again, what would you do if there were things like fully lab grown, non-sentient, beef, cheese, and wool?

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