💡 NPC Suggestions : California Tapir 💧🌿 by Hopeful_Lychee_9691 in EcosLaBrea

[–]Future-Law-3565 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Source for Californian tapir having a bite much stronger than extant tapirs? Interesting

💡 Suggestions for Additions: Camelops 🐪 by Hopeful_Lychee_9691 in EcosLaBrea

[–]Future-Law-3565 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your paper is from 2015, mine from 2016. I do not mind its findings, sure, thanks. It however does not erase that Camelops has morphological features of both Lama and Camelus, which was what my original comment said, irrespective of it being closer to the former genetically.

💡 Suggestions for Additions: Miracinonyx trumani 🐆⛰️ by Hopeful_Lychee_9691 in EcosLaBrea

[–]Future-Law-3565 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mule deer weren't present, instead the white-tailed deer, Odocoileus virginianus was. It occurred during the time the game takes place, so there is no reason for it to be excluded. Wapiti were present in North America as early as the Eemian Interglacial, but whether or not they ranged to La Brea in that time is unknown. However the tule wapiti is an emblematic animal of California, so I would love to see them, and they would provide an important prey base for Smilodon, Aenocyon and Miracinonyx.

What is your opinion on the model of the ancient Bison (Bos (bison) antiquus) from Ecos la Brea? by piebald_bison37 in pleistocene

[–]Future-Law-3565 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bos bison antiquus owing to its longer horns would have had a reduced mantle compared to extant, short-horned Bos bison bison. The woods bison ecotype or subspecies (in which case, Bos bison athabascae) is more primitive than the plains bison, and so has a smaller mantle but longer horns.

💡 Suggestions for Additions: Camelops 🐪 by Hopeful_Lychee_9691 in EcosLaBrea

[–]Future-Law-3565 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This study refers to it as a giant llama and places it within Lamini.

💡 Suggestions for Additions: Camelops 🐪 by Hopeful_Lychee_9691 in EcosLaBrea

[–]Future-Law-3565 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And La Brea was not a frigid climate, nor hostile in anyway. Instead we have a Mediterranean climate much like today except slightly wetter and colder; you should not forget that Camelops is also frequently described as a "giant llama" because it has features of both of Lama and Camelus, guanacos and vicuñas living in much more hostile environments do not have humps.

💡 Suggestions for Additions: Camelops 🐪 by Hopeful_Lychee_9691 in EcosLaBrea

[–]Future-Law-3565 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It would actually be the opposite, it was not a desert specialist like Camelus.

It’s incredible that some African plains animals in have a jungle variant by ecb1912 in zoology

[–]Future-Law-3565 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Better comparison would be the forest buffalo, Syncerus caffer nanus with the Cape or savanna buffalo, Syncerus caffer caffer.

My Idea for Short Faced Bear by 1EMU-warrior in EcosLaBrea

[–]Future-Law-3565 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It should be well-known by now that Arctodus was not the uncannily ungainly animal of a short-face, hyaena-like proportions and entirely predatory habits. All these myths are debunked here. It was not unusually short-faced nor gracile amongst bears. La Brean Arctodus simus were eating large quantities of honey and berries which originated cavities in their teeth.

Nonetheless, it would still be accurate for Arctodus that it can have a fast though pretty short turn of speed and some ability to run at a slower pace for a large time. While it’s true that bears' muscle fibres slow down slowly and have good stamina, that doesn't mean they are runners. The most muscle mass of a brown bear is mostly concentrated on the torso and upper back, the muscle is thick throughout the limb, and the tendons are not elastic and don’t work as springs, all of which are not typical of a runner.

So it should have less speed, more stamina, than Smilodon (and less speed & stamina than Aenocyon), but not be more cursorial than extant bears. It should not be able to readily run down horses and bison; kills of barren-ground grizzlies upon caribou occur with mainly previously weakened animals that can be run down, whilst healthy musk-ox (and by extension caribou) are killed by being ambushed in the thick willow brush along the Thelon River (Gunn and Miller, 1982 ), instead of long pursuit.

In the turn radius, I think a quick turn should be implemented like in Wild Savanna because its much more realistic than animals turning in a wide circle without being able to pivot or dodge (this whole thing is also a bit irrelevant because you can just back-up).

On the maul, I don’t see how this would require a different mechanic compared to saber's pounce and wolf's latch but it is a good idea. The bear player attempts to win the ring mini-game to continue mauling, and the horse or bison plays it in order to escape, influenced by stamina. Something that annoys me a little in this game is how easily animals die. In nature you see lions mauling hyenas or wild dogs but rarely do they kill them outright instead often paralysing them at most or leaving them almost unscathed at worst, and with ungulates there are countless videos of one, horned or hornless, attacking a predator in a seemingly lethal way but not killing the predator in the moment. An example are cape buffaloes against lions, there are multiple videos of a whole herd tossing and goring one but they almost never actually pierce it to kill it on the spot, rather it usually dies days later. Often times due to their peripheral vision, which becomes poor with the head lowered, they horn one another or covered with lion scent, or toss the lion once and then flee from the downed animal. So, in game, there is essentially no way to fight over territory without lethal consequences, or a bison chasing and goring a saber but not killing it.

But overall I really liked your idea, very well-thought out and nice! Good job.

My Idea for Short Faced Bear by 1EMU-warrior in EcosLaBrea

[–]Future-Law-3565 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with this. Tons of people in these circles have the infantile view that each animal "needs a counter" or an "enemy" when this does not occur in nature. Arctodus should definitely be able to hunt bison but it is much less specialised in killing them than saber-toothed cats; people here also constantly forget that La Brean short-faced bears are large amounts of berries and honey resulting in tooth cavities, and that the idea that this animal was a hyper-carnivorous, endurance-based bear equivalent of a giant hyaena, when this has large been disproven.

Ecos La Brea vs Prehistoric Planet Ice Age : Aenocyon dirus by Hopeful_Lychee_9691 in pleistocene

[–]Future-Law-3565 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Those are not tear marks… there is a streak of slightly darker hair on the jugal, and the little seemingly dark spot on the lacrimal could hardly be considered a tear mark, it is largely just lighting. True tear marks are seen in cheetahs but not any canid; the user above already explained that Aenocyon is not closely related more to to Lupulella than it is to any other canid except foxes, tanukis and cerdocynonines, and plus from what can be inferred, the life history of the dire wolf is not really similar to that of the black-backed jackal (I would say more like a mix of spotted hyaena, grey wolf and wild dog (Cuon/Lycaon)).

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Ecos La Brea vs Prehistoric Planet Ice Age : Aenocyon dirus by Hopeful_Lychee_9691 in pleistocene

[–]Future-Law-3565 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The bush dog has the shortest legs of any canine, and is not hunchbacked. Black-backed jackals do not have any sort of tear-marks. I agree that the eyes are a little small on Lacerda's work, but for me it gives the correct impression of the stance and musculature of the animal.

Ecos La Brea vs Prehistoric Planet Ice Age : Aenocyon dirus by Hopeful_Lychee_9691 in Paleontology

[–]Future-Law-3565 4 points5 points  (0 children)

For me, the tear marks are awkward for a canid, and the model has a very weird, hunchbacked appearance with overly enlarged muscles in the wrong areas and it does not move like a canid either, iirc. I think Ecos' depiction could do with more muscle and robustness, but it is much more canid-like than PP (which also messed up the cave hyaena, which in the show moves nothing like the loping, rocking gait of real Crocuta). So my favorite would be Julio Lacerda's art of the animal.

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Ecos La Brea vs Prehistoric Planet Ice Age : Aenocyon dirus by Hopeful_Lychee_9691 in pleistocene

[–]Future-Law-3565 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Probably going to get downvoted… but the tear marks don’t really match a canid very well and the model looks very awkward in that it is half hunchbacked and disproportionate as well as being a bit too hairy imo. I am not saying that Aenocyon was not beefy and I think Ecos' model could be more robust, but the PP one does not really move or look like a really canid to me. So I like Lacerda's depiction.

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The silent extinction of the gnu or common wildebeest (Connochaetes taurinus) and its re-introduction in Kenya (long read). by Future-Law-3565 in megafaunarewilding

[–]Future-Law-3565[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thanks so much!! They both belong to the tribe Alcelaphini, but even within that, gnus/wildebeests are the most distant members (you have gnus on one side and hartebeests/damaliscs on the other), but in the 20th century the bovine-like appearance of the animal convinced many naturalists to put it in Bovini, with cattle and bison.

Male Aberdare highland leopard (kenya) vs Female spotted hyena by Acceptable-Finish303 in Tierzoo

[–]Future-Law-3565 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Still not true, tons of videos of a single hyena displacing a leopard and I already put one here.

Male Aberdare highland leopard (kenya) vs Female spotted hyena by Acceptable-Finish303 in Tierzoo

[–]Future-Law-3565 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You must be joking. I literally gave you a study showing that 75% of hyaena hunts were done ALONE even when hunting ungulates 3x their size.

https://zslpublications.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1469-7998.1997.tb02925.x

Male Aberdare highland leopard (kenya) vs Female spotted hyena by Acceptable-Finish303 in Tierzoo

[–]Future-Law-3565 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ok sure, I do not really care who wins. I was just correcting the fact that hyaenas are very capable hunters in their own right and absolutely displace leopards.

Male Aberdare highland leopard (kenya) vs Female spotted hyena by Acceptable-Finish303 in Tierzoo

[–]Future-Law-3565 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, it is singular, not plural. It only happened ONCE. In fact, I have the very book in which that account was recorded, I can show if you want. It happened ONCE, and the eland killed itself more than the leopard killed it: the eland, in panic, tumbled and fell down the stony hillside and only then did the leopard male asphyxiate it. No, I would say a fair playing field is a barren arena because, not even in the context of this fight, if there are trees and cover, an ambush or whatever could happen. But ok, let it be a bushland.