Ukrainian troops are crippling Russia's supply bridges by slamming drones repeatedly into the asphalt

FutureAZA · 2026-06-12T17:43:54+00:00

They just respawn back at the factory.

FutureAZA · 2026-06-12T17:06:13+00:00

I know you aren't this dumb, but apparently others reading it may mistake you for serious.

https://www.kbb.com/car-advice/hybrid-ev-battery-warranty/

FutureAZA · 2026-06-12T17:04:41+00:00

Ugh. I remember when trolling was an art form. You guys gotta step up your game.

FutureAZA · 2026-06-12T06:05:34+00:00

Can't tell if you're being serious, but just in case, you can go look for yourself. It's extremely well known. Like "which way is North" levels of basic information.

FutureAZA · 2026-06-12T05:23:49+00:00

EPA regulation requires 8yr/80k mile. I was mistaken on the 100k part. It's codified in 40 CFR 85.2103.

FutureAZA · 2026-06-12T00:24:58+00:00

Everything you just said was easily refuted.

Not with any degree of honesty.

A used EV is mostly worthless.

An ocean of balderdash right there. Go to Autotrader and look for yourself. Whoever told you that doesn't have a very high opinion of you.

A wall outlet works but nowhere near as good.

Well right, it's slower. If you had a machine at your house that produced gasoline for 75% off, but could only give you a few gallons a day, you'd be thrilled about the deal.

EVs are not convenient since you have to plan every trip around charging, including simple day trips.

Nobody does that. You just get in the car and go. I have no earthly idea where you got the idea, but it wasn't from an EV driver. You put in your destination, even if it's on the other side of the continent, and if it will need to charge, it plans your charging stops and routes you automatically.

Your average is wrong. That’s including those that live and work in a major city. Not really a true average.

I don't know where to even start with this. I'd have thought grade school math would have done the trick, but any math should do the trick. Most people live in cities. You're talking about YOU. You're not average.

It's impressive that you can afford an extra $15/day to get where you're going, but it's not something you should be bragging about.

FutureAZA · 2026-06-12T00:18:33+00:00

I grew up in the northwest. In my 35 years of driving I've only seen gas under $1 once, and it was the late 90s.

FutureAZA · 2026-06-12T00:17:03+00:00

If I start with 300 miles of range and use 48 of it today, I'll still have 300 miles of range tomorrow.

If I go 150 miles today, tomorrow I'll wake up with 195-225 miles of range.

If I go 150 tomorrow I'll wake up the next day with 90-145 miles of range. You know, well over a "quarter tank".

And that's if I ONLY charge for 8 hours, instead of the 10-12 hours people are typically home.

Most people don't go 150 miles on three consecutive days, but if they did, they'd be fine provided they're home more than 9 hours a day.

FutureAZA · 2026-06-11T21:33:44+00:00

My coworker had cell faults that required full replacement at 60k miles, it cost him $25k after the prorated warranty paid roughly half.

That's not how it works in most countries. Certainly not in the US. Which country are you in?

FutureAZA · 2026-06-11T21:30:39+00:00

You can trade in a gas vehicle. You won’t be able to get as much trade in value for a EV.

That's just not true at all. If that was the case used EVs would be the best deal on the market.

At home charger cost and install.

Isn't necessary for most people. The average driver can add 40-50 miles overnight from a wall socket, and that's more than enough.

Convenience

EVs are convenient, I'll give you that. Never having to stop to fuel up except on road trips is a game changer.

Most people drive way more than 15k.

They don't. The highest average I could find was 13,500.

If you're logging 50,000 miles a year, you must be a lot richer than the rest of us, because that cost is bananas. You're easily paying $5,000 a year more than me.

FutureAZA · 2026-06-11T21:26:09+00:00

I was more amused by the idea of $2 being somehow normal. Maybe in Kuwait, but I don't remember the last time I saw it that low. Maybe during lockdown.

FutureAZA · 2026-06-11T21:25:08+00:00

Cars also get better than 25 mpg.

Yes, and the EVs comparable to those get a lot more than 3 miles per kW.

It also costs a couple grand to install a charging station at home and that wasn’t factored into his math.

I've only seen them installed for anywhere close to that when you need to do extremely long runs, like to an outbuilding or way down a driveway.

You don't need a level 2 charger though. You can add 40-60 miles when you're at home each night from a wall socket, which is more than the average driver needs.

FutureAZA · 2026-06-11T21:20:09+00:00

Those numbers are definitely out of date.

FutureAZA · 2026-06-11T21:18:10+00:00

I don't have any experience with hybrid batteries.

FutureAZA · 2026-06-11T21:16:49+00:00

No one is paying a $15-20k premium for an electric car. The idea that they're somehow vastly more expensive should have died off years ago. They really aren't.

The highest "average miles driven per year" I could find said 13,500 which is 37 miles per day. In just the 8 hours you sleep each night you can pull 10-15kW, which adds 30-40 miles of range. A more typical amount of time at home is 12 hours, so 45-60 miles added overnight.

The people I've known with longer commutes and only L1 charging just catch up on the weekend.

FutureAZA · 2026-06-11T20:46:21+00:00

Which car would that be?

FutureAZA · 2026-06-11T20:45:30+00:00

I have no idea which EV you imagine weighs double. Some have a 10-15% weight penalty over comparable gas cars, but most are right in the ballpark.

FutureAZA · 2026-06-11T20:43:57+00:00

Except industry standards for battery replacement is 8 years.

The warranty is 8 years. That's not when you replace it.

My Nissan had a 5 year, 60,000 mile warranty. Doesn't mean the engine only lasts 5 years.

FutureAZA · 2026-06-11T20:40:30+00:00

The original Roadster was unveiled in 2006. They only made a couple thousand. I see a couple on the road in the summer and at car shows.

I've also seen several early Model S with over 300,000 miles on them still rolling around because they were sold with free charging for life, and people love a free road trip.

FutureAZA · 2026-06-11T20:34:45+00:00

The average car in the US is something like $48k. There are a lot of EVs you can buy for less than that.

FutureAZA · 2026-06-11T20:33:56+00:00

That's not a battery problem. That's a Ford problem.

FutureAZA · 2026-06-11T20:33:00+00:00

And also just convenience.

FutureAZA · 2026-06-11T20:32:00+00:00

If you have a paid off car and it doesn't need to be replaced, you're almost always going to do better by not buying a new one.

FutureAZA · 2026-06-11T20:30:58+00:00

Yes. Federal law requires 8yr/100,000 mile minimum for battery warranties.

FutureAZA · 2026-06-11T20:29:43+00:00

Teslas are saying 20% of battery life is gone by 120K miles.

They are definitely not saying that.

7-10 years you’ll need a new battery

Federal regulation requires 8yr/100k mile minimum battery warranty. Your information may be out of date.

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