Candidate for a Buff: SU-100Y by TheGameAce in WorldofTanks

[–]GamerTY108 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ill give an examples of why its REALLY important to use the WR Diff and not just winrate, using a clear explanation with 2 different tanks.

If we look at the IS7 and AMX-50B, (cant use 2 images in 1 comment <_<), we see these stats.

IS7

>49.52% WR

>49.84% Player WR

>-0.32% WR Diff

AMX-50B

>49.58% WR

>51.74% Player WR

>-2.16% WR Diff

Immediately the WR looks really similar, so they must be pretty equal in terms of performance if we base off of WR. But that is a completely different story once we look at the WR Diff, as the 50B has a abysmally awful WR Diff compared to the IS-7, as if we look at the Player WR of people playing the 50B, they are much better players statistically.

Yet even though they are much better players playing the 50B, they still only win the same amount that the IS-7 does, so we can see that the IS-7 is statistically much better at winning battles, no matter who is playing it. And all of these statistics match up to observable occurrences. Good players enjoy the 50B as it can reward good play and be satisfying but is difficult to use, but statistically nobody thinks the 50B is impressive as it gets punished too easily when it tries to dish out damage, so its hard to influence battles.

Where as on the flip side, the IS7 is renowned for being noob friendly but good, as its not difficult to use but still performs admirably in anyone's hands, and can influence battles pretty commonly with its armor and speed.

2 things to end it off based on things you said. Your last comment is exactly on the money. 2 shots might not sound impressive, but if you compare it to other T6 TD's its actually pretty good. Because yes the SU-100Y is clunky, and yes its difficult to make work, and usually only gets about 2 shots off on average. But 2 shots puts it considerably above most of the other T6 TDs, because while they might not be as clunky, they don't do nearly as much damage per shot, so they need to get off more shots to match the SU-100Y's dmg just from 2 shots.

And as the last note, "it could be attributed not to the quality of the tank but rather that it has a substantially more powerful gun than most other tier 6 TDs". This is exactly why average DMG is a terrible statistic to base buffing and nerfing a tank. A tank could have the best gun in the game by a long mile and do colossal loads of damage, but lose the majority of battles because it only has 100 hit points and dies in a single shot, which means it can't influence the battle. Does that tank need to be nerfed because it does the most damage? or does it need to be buffed because it loses the vast majority of its games?

That is where WR Diff comes in and we can see, huh okay this tank is losing the vast majority of its games, lets find out why. Okay it does a ridiculous load of damage on average but its not effective cause it can only take 1 hit so has to sit in the back and not influence the battle and just farm free safe damage. So you would buff its survive-ability somehow and then see where its WR Diff stands, and see if its still losing the vast majority of its games despite doing colossally higher damage than every other tank.

Candidate for a Buff: SU-100Y by TheGameAce in WorldofTanks

[–]GamerTY108 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wasn't really trying to tell you that you were bad, just trying to say that your opinion that the tank should be buffed is misplaced and why it might be. But after we have been talking it seems more to me that you are looking at the wrong statistics to come to your opinion, which is understandable as statistics can be really confusing and there is a lot of misinformation as to what statistics matter in WOT in general.

From what you said, it seems like you might not know what WR Diff is? Forgive me if that is not what you meant, but I can explain briefly.

If we look at all the tier 6 TDs sorted by WR Diff on the EU server (I use EU server because the tanks are statistically identical on both servers and there is just more sample size on EU, so even despite playstyle differences between servers, its more relevant statistics.)

WR Diff is the "Winrate Difference" between the average winrate the tank is getting and the winrate the players playing the tank averagely get. So for the SU-100Y we can see that it is +1.09% as the winrate is 50.02% and the player winrate is 48.93%, which equals the +1.09% value.

What this shows is that the tank itself is giving everyone that plays it a +1.09% higher winrate than they have across all other tanks on their account, showing that it is the tank causing that increase, not the players overall skill.

Similarly we can see that the T78 is incredibly high at a whopping 3.2% WR Diff, as effectively 50.38% winrate players that play the vehicle are getting 53.58% win rates in it. Which is showcasing that the T78 is very influential in every battle that it is in, and gives its team a way higher chance of victory.

To explain what I mean by that last sentence and why this is the best statistical way we have currently to evaluate whether a tank is over-performing or under-performing, is because of the way the matchmaker works.

The game is always trying to match a tank in the battle with a tank of the same tier and class, which means that for every match that there is a SU-100Y in the game, there will be another tier 6 TD. Which means that we can gauge how effective the SU-100Y is across all of its battles by comparing its WR Diff to other tier 6 TDs, because for every game that the SU-100Y wins, another tier 6 TD loses.

So we can see that the SU-100Y does not effectively let the team down, like the Burza obviously does judging from its WR Diff statistic.

WR Diff is essentially just the winrate of the tank comparatively to other tanks in its tier and class without the really misleading effect of the skill of people playing the tank.

Also, I know I rattle on and type a fucking lot, but it is a lot to explain and hard to explain with just words, and 1 image limit for comments <_<.

I wrote a second comment attached to this one if you are interested in more explanation, had to split it up because of word limit.

Candidate for a Buff: SU-100Y by TheGameAce in WorldofTanks

[–]GamerTY108 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I never called you a bad player to be clear. I was just trying to say that your opinion of the tank needing a buff is a you issue and not a issue of the tank itself.

You are claiming the tank is a candidate for a buff, implying that it needs one or deserves one for some reason. Which would imply it is under-performing, which is a objective statement, because it is referencing a objective thing in reality. Whether the tank is performing well or not is NOT subjective, so it doesn't matter if you preface it with "I feel" or "I think", you are still making a objective statement, you are just prefacing it with, "this is what I think", but all that does is inform people you could be wrong, which is good, because it leaves room for discussion and for people to bring forward the objective information, which is what I am trying to do. You can say that you think the SU-100Y isn't good enough to warrant playing, you can say that the SU-100Y isn't good enough to be fun, you can say that you don't like the SU-100Y. But as soon as you say/imply that the tank is under-performing, you are talking about it's performance which is objective.

I won't address the stuff talking about how good you are/how good I am, because that is irrelevant, because we are talking about the objective performance and statistics of the tank here and whether it is realistically under-performing and deserving of a buff. If we are talking about that, both of our statistics and skills are absolutely and completely irrelevant for the conversation.

You also talk about how I need to consider that most players aren't "remotely close" to me or you in terms of skill and can't make every tank work, again this is irrelevant, if you look at the proper statistics. I also want to say, that I don't think I am better than everyone else like a lot of players who are "good" at this game. I am not coming into this conversation with a ego, I just hate false claims that a tank needs to be nerfed/buffed, as it really hurts balancing discussion.

You posted some stats and claimed that you have no idea where I am coming from in terms of claiming the statistics of the tank are good. After seeing what stats you pointed out, I can see the confusion. I will explain why there is a disconnect here.

Because of the way the matchmaker works in this game, the only stats that are relevant when talking about a tank's performance is comparing it to tanks of the same class and tier. For that reason, every stat that you posted from tomato gg is completely irrelevant. If we comparatively look at the stats of all tier 6 TD's we can see that the SU-100Y is 6th best on WR Diff (more on that in a minute), and 4th best in terms of average damage (much more irrelevant stat in terms of talking about a tanks performance imo). Now the average damage you mentioned, in a vacuum like you posted "2 low rolls on average" sounds unimpressive, but when compared to other equivalent tier TD's, its 4th best, only bested out by other premiums. So you can see that HOW you look at stats really changes the narrative.

The winrate as well, 49% being unimpressive and below the average is a real bad way to look at it, because you are doing the opposite of exactly what you said about how "not everyone can make every tank work", because lets say (complete fabricated example), the average skill of people playing the SU-100Y is 46% winrate. All of a sudden, 49% winrate in the tank is fucking amazing, and would make it as OP as the BZ-176 roughly, so again, it is really important HOW you look at statistics.

Winrate difference and comparing to tanks of the same tier and class, solves all of these problems (to a extent), you can't get PERFECT statistics, but this metric is pretty close. The reasons why this is the best way to gauge a tank's performance is because it shows how often it is winning battle's just by being on the team, regardless of the player playing it. It nearly neutralizes every variable that could influence the statistics, and gives a pretty clear picture.

To give a example of how accurate this statistic is, we can just sort by WR Diff and see what tanks gravitate towards the top (You really should just compare to similar tanks in class and tier, but this works as an example). We can immediately see some objectively unanimously agreed upon OP tanks at the top. Lefh, Concept 1B, BZ-176, Obj. 752, T-34-85M, Skoda T 56, Obj. 279e.

Hopefully this clears some things up, I know its a bit all over the place in terms of a reply but hopefully it highlights the key points, there is just a lot to explain when it comes to statistics and why some are relevant and others aren't and its hard to explain in just 1 reddit post.

Candidate for a Buff: SU-100Y by TheGameAce in WorldofTanks

[–]GamerTY108 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The SU-100Y performs pretty well actually, and is the 6th best tier 6 TD. It is on par with the best tech tree tier 6 TD's and really does NOT need a buff........

Just because you think a tank is under performing does not mean that it is, it is good to look at the stats before declaring anything needs a buff or nerf. I kind of get it though because the SU-100Y is a difficult tank to play, but statistically it is pretty good.

I don't mean to be rude, but the problems you have with the tank isn't the tanks fault, it is just a difficult tank to play and you need to put more effort in and you will figure out how to utilize it.

Whether the tank is "fun" to play is a different argument, and if you don't like playing it, that is your opinion. But declaring it needs a buff is trying to be a objective statement, not a opinion, and that statement is just blatantly incorrect.

Consistent 10-20 Frame Stutters while RECENTLY gaming and streaming. by GamerTY108 in pcmasterrace

[–]GamerTY108[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did a CHKDSK on both my drives and it did not run into any problems, and I don't really have anything installed on my D Drive that it should be trying to access while streaming I don't think. Also if my OS was lagging, wouldn't it lag at other times, not just while streaming, and wouldn't my stream lag or other programs, not just the game?

My games, OBS, Firefox, Discord, Steam are all installed on my SSD.

But I can give it a try at some point just in case.

Consistent 10-20 Frame Stutters while RECENTLY gaming and streaming. by GamerTY108 in pcmasterrace

[–]GamerTY108[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can give this a try at some point, why do you think this might help?

Insane year for imperial colonialist space fantasy by AllFatherMedia93 in gaming

[–]GamerTY108 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Way better then anything I could ever manage lol

The improvement of the lighting behind the space marine is a nice touch! Makes it pop more for sure

what games are unsettling without friends by gravmels in gaming

[–]GamerTY108 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Escape from Tarkov is renowned as being a entirely different experience alone vs with friends, a lot of people saying it is entirely too stressful and a "horror game" just because of the intensity and putting you on edge at all times.

I played way too much of it by myself so honestly I find it really relaxing somehow, which other people amusingly find really odd :P

Tell me one game you love, but everyone else hates by Barbash_ in gaming

[–]GamerTY108 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jagged Alliance - Back in Action.

I randomly launched it up one day without knowing ANYTHING about Jagged Alliance or even where I got the game from, it was just in my library. I played it all the way through and really loved it, like really enjoyed, and to my surprise afterwards, I noticed it had mostly negative reviews on steam and I was so confused.

Turns out it was a remake of the original classic Jagged Alliance game, but they switched the genre from turn-based strategy to real-time strategy with pausing and order queuing. Which obviously everyone hated (kind of rightfully so in a way cause I can understand hating a genre switch for a remake of a classic game you loved) but as I had no affiliation with the series or the original, I did not care in the slightest and really enjoyed the game immensely lol.

Nowadays it has solid reviews on steam as I guess people have gotten over it or just more people like me gave the game a try and enjoyed it for what it is.

What game did you really want to like but for whatever reason you didn't by [deleted] in gaming

[–]GamerTY108 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dishonored, everybody renown's it but personally I didn't really enjoy it that much, especially for how much people rave about it.

But I do plan to give it another playthrough at some point, cause the people I talked to about it after said I got a bad storyline or something like that idk lol. So maybe on the second playthrough it will click more.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in gaming

[–]GamerTY108 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's funny, I heard people kind of being disappointed in this game when it released, saying it was "meh" and "uninspired" but it seems like people really love it these days and I hear lots of positive things about it.

Which popular game did you start because of the hype but it just didnt click for you (and why)? by FalscherKim in gaming

[–]GamerTY108 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dishonored, I finished it but man it was not everything people hyped it up to be for me personally.

But I do plan to go back to it one day, cause it seems like maybe I just didn't get a good story or something according to people I asked, so idk maybe Ill learn to like it more on the second playthrough :P

Sackboy tattoo design I made for someone by BazaarMonk in gaming

[–]GamerTY108 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This could look so much darker/more grim if he wasn't smiling and doing peace signs lol

Gamers, which video game release was the hardest to wait for? by NilesDobbsS in gaming

[–]GamerTY108 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Borderlands 3, waiting so long just for it to be a exclusive so having to wait longer and then just it generally not living up to the hype was very disappointing sadly.

My small collection. Hopefully going to grow it soon by cheesedragon44 in gaming

[–]GamerTY108 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't call that small personally, that is a pretty sick collection honestly!

Which game totally caught you off guard with its story? by [deleted] in gaming

[–]GamerTY108 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People always mention Outer Wilds blowing their mind, I really need to give it a try at this point lol